60-40Originally Posted by Seshmeister
But I wonder how many people in Scotland have that same thought...
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But I wonder how many people in Scotland have that same thought...
I'd add to that the Auto-Industry has hired/ is hiring back most of the people laid off and they paid back most of the bailout money, too!a little of both.
i was never an obama is going to change the world kind of guy. but i thought he was the best of the bunch in 2008.
am i a little disappointed by his performance thus far? eh...in some instances. he certainly hasn't been perfect. but he's had a hellacious situation. started in the middle of the worst recession in 3 generations. (ron paul's the only candidate who can say he remembers when it was worse...) plus, make no mistake, the republicans were out since day one to impede his progress. not easy when every position you take is vigorously opposed because the other side wants to make you a 1-termer.
that said, while the stimulus bill was far from perfect, it's helped. no doubt. there are hundreds of thousands of police, firefighers and teachers who didn't join the unemployed thanks to it. hundreds of thousands of construction jobs who had work. hundreds of millions of Americans who had lower taxes because of it.
the American auto industry exists because the obama administation stepped up. and for very little net investment, GM is back again as the world's #1 car company. that's a helluva turnaround.
he wound down the 2 wars in a way that was responsible, but got the job done. could it have been quicker? sure. but it happened.
he killed osama.
he took out qaddaffi.
he repealed don't ask don't tell.
and he got the ball rolling on the first significant (though by NO means socialist) health care reform in about 100 years.
best president ever? no. definitely not. but out of the republican crowd of 2012, i'd take obama every time. (and i'd take obama's dog over bachmann.)
He's also put us back on the right track as far as foreign policy goes......he's willing to compromise and has been better at diplomacy than Dubya's, "You're either with us or against us.", cowboy diplomacy.
No terrorist attacks on our soil and key terrorists have been killed or jailed.
He's not my favorite President, either but considering the alternatives....he has my vote.
Newt has stated publicly that he'd send troops back to Iraq and invade Iran.....other than the fact he's a complete hypocrite and a first rate asshole....his war mongering leaves him out on that fact alone.
Mitt.....if he ran on his record he might have a chance but he's a self-serving lying douche bag who'd do or say anything to get elected.......A capitalist with no soul.......nope!
Ronny boy......I like about 60% of what he says and the other 40% scares the shit out of me and the fact that if he ran as an Independent [doubt it] he'd take away votes from Obama giving Mitt or Newt the Top Job......nope.
Paul will never be the GOP nom so he's a non-issue.
E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
I think this kind of glosses over his first 2 years where he had majorities in the house and senate and pre-emptively conceded items to the republicans. And then, with the 2010 elections, he lost control of the house and close on the senate -- and he deserved to -- because he couldn't effectively make the case for where he wanted to go, and people were upset with his direction, and ultimately put the opposition in power. He could have campaigned from a position of power and authority to drive an agenda. Presidents in the past have done this much, much more effectively.a little of both.
i was never an obama is going to change the world kind of guy. but i thought he was the best of the bunch in 2008.
am i a little disappointed by his performance thus far? eh...in some instances. he certainly hasn't been perfect. but he's had a hellacious situation. started in the middle of the worst recession in 3 generations. (ron paul's the only candidate who can say he remembers when it was worse...
that said, while the stimulus bill was far from perfect, it's helped. no doubt. there are hundreds of thousands of police, firefighers and teachers who didn't join the unemployed thanks to it. hundreds of thousands of construction jobs who had work. hundreds of millions of Americans who had lower taxes because of it.
the American auto industry exists because the obama administation stepped up. and for very little net investment, GM is back again as the world's #1 car company. that's a helluva turnaround.
he wound down the 2 wars in a way that was responsible, but got the job done. could it have been quicker? sure. but it happened.
he killed osama.
he took out qaddaffi.
he repealed don't ask don't tell.
and he got the ball rolling on the first significant (though by NO means socialist) health care reform in about 100 years.
best president ever? no. definitely not. but out of the republican crowd of 2012, i'd take obama every time. (and i'd take obama's dog over bachmann.)
What you're saying sounds nice but I really think it's kind of apologetic about what happened and lets Obama off the hook. The buck stops with him. Leadership is about ownership, responsibility, and ultimately, accountability.
He hasn't owned the situation. He hasn't proactively pushed a vision to resolve the situation, so ultimately, he's accountable for the situation. It may have crashed before he became President, but he still could have owned it more effectively.
As an aside the problem with signatures is that they don't last forever.
Now there are maybe 50 posts saying how they love the tits in your signature and for the next how many months people are going to think that they are homoerotic trekkies.
That's how I troll
Plus the image I had got taken down unfortunately. I'm in transition looking for the next great sig.
The killing Osama thing was a TOTAL MADE UP LIE!!
Osama died in 2001. It was reported on FOX and CNN...
Obama was not living in a military compound totally unnoticed in Pakistan...
You are being lied to!!!
Well that's great news for someone's publisher.
It's old news, as i'm sure you know...
Hmmmm. Obama bags Osama right after the media attention is on his birth certificate again. There is no evidence and they get rid of the so called body quickly by dumping it in the ocean. Again no proof. Then the SEAL team members who were involved on the operation all get killed shortly after. Dead men tell no tales.The killing Osama thing was a TOTAL MADE UP LIE!!
Osama died in 2001. It was reported on FOX and CNN...
Obama was not living in a military compound totally unnoticed in Pakistan...
You are being lied to!!!
Since our government is currently being ran by compulsive liars why should I believe them? I will believe when they have evidence instead of making it disappear.
Exactly!
BTW, the term "African American" was not yet born in 1961
That is a fact...
My brother in law is an African American. His dad is from South Africa. They were a dutch family that settled in Africa and then immigrated to the US. Not all African Americans are black. He's a smart ass too. He applied for an African American scholarship and was turned down because he was the wrong color. He raised hell because it was an African American scholarship and nowhere in the paper work did it state skin color as a requirement. LOL!
Fuck I must be drunk to even ask this but you say that the SEAL team members have all been killed. What is your 'evidence' for that? It's January I could do with a fucking laugh,
My point was Obama's birth certificatate should say negro, negroid or black, not African American...
My wet dream. I would sue the fucking world if this were me. Stomping on the dicks of politically correct asswipes would be my full time mission in life.
"Don't want 'em to get you goat, don't show 'em where it's hid." - David Lee Roth
SEAL Team 6, unit that killed Osama bin Laden, died in helicopter crash
Saturday, August 6, 2011
The Associated Press reported that the majority of the 31 American troops killed Saturday when the Taliban shot down a military helicopter over Afghanistan were members of SEAL Team 6, the elite team that killed Osama bin Laden in May.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai delivered news of the 38 total fatalities, the highest single-day U.S. death toll in the decade of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan.
The AP cited only “AP sources” in reporting that the dead troops were part of SEAL Team 6. NATO acknowledged that the crash had happened, but did not give a reason why, or release names yet. NATO has also not released their own fatality count.
The elite special forces group came to the public’s attention this spring, when details of the raid on bin Laden’s compound were leaked to an awestruck country.
It's obvious the birth certificate is a photo shopped hodgepodge. Whoever came up with the idea of running Obama was brilliant. I wonder if it was George Soro's idea or Zibignew Brzenski's. They were smart enough to know if you had a black president he would be untouchable. If a white guy's birth certificate came under scrutiny and a photo shop hodgepodge was released he would be out on his ass. I'm sure it's very hard to find a person who can do the presidential dog and pony show and still be loyal to your agenda. I mean it's obvious Obama has much to hide. He won't release his grades. Apparently his grades from Occidental College are poor. He's using the social security number of a dead guy who lived in Connecticut. Lot's of questions about this guy.
Oh well. His backers got trillions of dollars from Barry which are all in off shore accounts. It doesn't matter if he just lasts one term. He stole more money than any other president.
Can you say affirmative action ??
LMAO!
I thought we were just helping a coalition to provide a no-fly-zone only? Funny how easy it was to see through that. Especially once that video of Hillary saying "we came, we saw, he died..." came out. Surprised it got almost zero airplay in the media O.o
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”
None of the SEALs that died that day took part in the op to kill Bin Laden IIRC...SEAL Team 6, unit that killed Osama bin Laden, died in helicopter crash
Saturday, August 6, 2011
The Associated Press reported that the majority of the 31 American troops killed Saturday when the Taliban shot down a military helicopter over Afghanistan were members of SEAL Team 6, the elite team that killed Osama bin Laden in May.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai delivered news of the 38 total fatalities, the highest single-day U.S. death toll in the decade of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan.
The AP cited only “AP sources” in reporting that the dead troops were part of SEAL Team 6. NATO acknowledged that the crash had happened, but did not give a reason why, or release names yet. NATO has also not released their own fatality count.
The elite special forces group came to the public’s attention this spring, when details of the raid on bin Laden’s compound were leaked to an awestruck country.
Why would you "think" that?
Obamas own words. You mean we can't take everything a politician says as truth? Hey, maybe that's what the new VH album title means.
and the winner for best post political thread on a van halen message board goes to...sadaist. congrats!
well, i think you're being a little bit overly harsh, but i'd generally agree with your point.
yes, obama has not blown my political socks off in large part because i don't think he led enough, so fair point.
but again, i think that's somewhat mitigaged by the fact that it was a really challenging time with intractable opponents. and remember, in the senate, he had 60 votes only for a very short time. franken wasn't seated immediately, and kennedy died before too long. sure, snowe and collins would cross party lines, but only if it was a relatively moderate issue.
it was hard enough to get energy legislation (cap and trade) through the much more democratic house. the senate was unlikely to touch it. now, could obama have pushed harder? sure. and maybe that's a fault. but on the other hand, spending political capital only goes so far.
that said, again, i generally agree with you. but for me, it's why i'm not gung ho for obama, but given the circumstances i still think he did a reasonably good job, especially considering the alternatives.
(and by the way, i was going to ask who let the 2 conspiracy theorists in here, but then i remembered this was "a ron paul is awesome" thread...
Initially, that's what it was. When the British and French air forces began running out of ammo (bombs), things changed. The U.S. did provide an enormous amount of logistical know-how and support, but he was essentially correct that very little in the way was done in direct action by U.S. forces...
well, that was disappointing, especially after he did in the first two, but I suppose it's a different electorate/dynamic. I don't think he'll get any delegates. I think he'll skip FL and head on to the caucus states next.
It's almost a direct correlation to how much you spend on TV ads...
But yeah, looks like Paul is basically planning on ignoring Florida...
And I don't see how Santorum gets any support...
As far as Romoney, I'm not 100% sure I'd vote for him over Obama...
I don't plan on voting for Romney, Gringrich, Santorum or Obama...
RON PAUL'S ONLY PRAYER
http://www.americanselect.org/official-documents
The casualties were from the same unit but NOT the same people. There are 120 in the unit.SEAL Team 6, unit that killed Osama bin Laden, died in helicopter crash
Saturday, August 6, 2011
The Associated Press reported that the majority of the 31 American troops killed Saturday when the Taliban shot down a military helicopter over Afghanistan were members of SEAL Team 6, the elite team that killed Osama bin Laden in May.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai delivered news of the 38 total fatalities, the highest single-day U.S. death toll in the decade of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan.
The AP cited only “AP sources” in reporting that the dead troops were part of SEAL Team 6. NATO acknowledged that the crash had happened, but did not give a reason why, or release names yet. NATO has also not released their own fatality count.
The elite special forces group came to the public’s attention this spring, when details of the raid on bin Laden’s compound were leaked to an awestruck country.
You need a new conspiracy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...avy-SEALs.html
Sesh...
You're really going to present FACTS to Swamp Boy?
Waste of keystrokes
I just posted a news article...
The conspiracy is that the Obama got Osama story is a lie...
Guess I should start looking at Rand Paul's positions :P
2016 isn't that far away....
No, you should sign up with the Campaign For Liberty and continue to promote the cause...
Freedom is infectous and the movement can only continue to grow from here...
Neither do I... I was just speculating...
I was joking ... I'm not giving up on Ron Paul.
The Campaign For Liberty is Ron Paul...
Fixed it for you.....
And the Campaign to continue the current corrupt war mongering, nation building, one world government status quo is Obama, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum...
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