Lounge be trollin', E.
Lounge be trollin', E.
I seez dat, Doc...
What war has Obama started?Originally Posted by ELVIS
And the Campaign to continue the current corrupt war mongering, nation building, one world government status quo is Obama, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum...
E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
Actually, there hasn't been a "war" since 1945....
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That's incorrect...
Technically, but there's millions of dead people who would beg to differ
U.S. Congress hasn't declared war since World War II.....
No...
The last time Congress passed joint resolutions saying that a "state of war" existed was on June 5, 1942, when the U.S. declared war on Bulgaria, Hungary, and Rumania...
So how is my statement incorrect?
Anyway, my point regarding liberty is that we as Americans need to face the truth and stop this illegal war mongering bullshit...
Your last one was correct...
Please tell me how Obama is war mongering and nation building, Swamp Boy.And the Campaign to continue the current corrupt war mongering, nation building, one world government status quo is Obama, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum...
Without linking Fox, Drudge, or Washington Times
No, it is not
So the 8 years of BushCO where WE were saying this, and YOU were calling us every name in the book and telling us how wrong we were was what?
Time to drain the swamp.
Isn't that a total trip to everyone? Look how many "wars" we've had in the last 70 years and never been officially at war. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan all whoppers of wars. And a slew of others. Non-stop practically. Fucking crazy.
Ron Paul understands this.
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”
And I LOVE Ru Paul's foreign policy......
But after that, he goes off the rails into crazy old coot territory.
Quite frankly, we might not EVER see Congress declare war again...
Couldn't do it after 9/11....
The only possibilities, if at all, are if either Iran or North Korea were to do something, and even that would have to be pretty major event...
For example, if Iran fired missiles at a Navy ship in the Strait of Hormuz.... Would that provoke a Congressional declaration of war? I really doubt it, unless Iran continued to escalate it....
And for North Korea, it would have to be a massive invasion of the South....
Me looking into it and changing my mind...So the 8 years of BushCO where WE were saying this, and YOU were calling us every name in the book and telling us how wrong we were was what?
I initially bought into the war on terror bullshit and I was wrong...
Asshole...
By continuing the war in Iraq with troops until recently. By keeping countless military industrial contractors there building God knows what and sucking off the taxpayer...Please tell me how Obama is war mongering and nation building, Swamp Boy.
Without linking Fox, Drudge, or Washington Times
Pretending to conduct a humanitarian peace mission in Lybia while killing Gaddafi over oil...
By killing Anwar al-Awlaki with no due process...
Saber rattling at Iran over a Nuke lie when we know it's about Oil...
And continuing the oil and poppy seed war in Afghanistan...
Did I miss anything LoungeMistake ??
Don't you think we shouldn't go to war unless the whole country is behind the action and pushes the Congress to declare? Why should 1 man be able to decide for everyone in the nation if we should invade another country and spend years fighting them?
That is the way it's in the supreme law of the land. Only congress can declare war. The president is the commander in chief head of the military machine but he does not have the power to declare war. So what has happened in the last 50 years is the executive branch has continued to break the law until the public thinks its the law using all kinds of excuses to justify it.
Why the law is written this way is it's the citizens who will get their blood spilled in a war and not the president. The congress has to answer to the the people in their home states and districts. Also it keeps one hot head from doing something stupid.
The US continues to run 800 military bases overseas and is fighting wars on multiple fronts. The only way to finance this mess is to print more money out of the Federal Reserve and then saddle the public with enough of the debt to create the illusion that the debt is legitimate. It's nothing more than one big deadly ponzi scheme with a few contractors getting rich. It's also a convienient red herring to take the public's attention off the politicians domestic failures. Supposedly there is this big boogie man that is going to get us unless we invade multiple countries and pay for this huge bloated military machine when in reality, the government leaves our borders wide open. It's almost like they are hoping a real terrorist attacks happen so they can declare martial law and with the new illegal powers they have given themselves they have all the ducks in a row.
I think it's all one grand scam to take everything over before the American pubic wake up and realize they have been sold a bunch of shit over all these years. It's nothing more than a bunch of desperate has beens trying to stay in power even while their whole house of cards is falling apart.
Last edited by Nitro Express; 01-22-2012 at 08:08 PM.
Yes, of course I agree with that....
That's why it's important to support someone like Ron Paul when they stand up, apart from everyone on the right AND the left, and support their drive to push this country back onto the right course.
His domestic agenda aside (which has to be cleared with Congress), he would have the unilateral power to scale back our foreign involvement to the right levels.
Wow.
That's a might big...ahem..."aside"
The domestic agenda is set by the Congress. A President like Paul would only be able to do what the Congress and the people would authorize. You know that.
They know that...
They also think they know "he can't win."
So what you're saying is....yes, you know Paul's domestic agenda is crazy but since he won't be able to influence Congress [basically an ineffective President] you'll vote for him because his agenda will never get through
Circular argument, anyone?
No, I'd vote for him because he can make a big difference in foreign policy, and his domestic ideas would be heavily tempered by the Congress and have a good chance of making it through. I like the idea of removing power from the federal government and giving it to the states. I think that's a domestic policy he can be successful on.
You guys should resist the temptation to over-simplify everything.
Don't you guys think you should be taking into account what parties have a majority in both houses of Congress ??
From 4 years ago, not a lot seems to have changed.
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That wont matter as much when Paul is President...
So the RePukes' cries "President Obama, where are the jobs?" is all bullshit?
I'm shocked.
God you're an idiot....
Even for a Swamp Dweller.....
Yes, it is bull shit. Do you suddenly think I'm going to defend the GOP or something?
A "majority' doesn't matter in the Senate anymore....
Get rid of the [not in the Constitution] Filibuster rule and we can talk....
I'm all for the States rights to govern themselves but I can not agree with his policies/agenda, period!
How is my statement an over-simplification?
You disagree with a major portion of his platform, yet, you have a naive hope that Congress will reign him in and not let him push his agenda forward.
So you support someone you hope will not get his way
No, you're too bright for that.....Yes, it is bull shit. Do you suddenly think I'm going to defend the GOP or something?
But shilling for a wack-job with ZERO chance of winning the White House is just plain stupid.
I agree with supporting the ideas, but Ron Paul is unelectable plain and simple.
duh.
Well, that was what I was alluding to....A "majority' doesn't matter in the Senate anymore....
Get rid of the [not in the Constitution] Filibuster rule and we can talk....
When Obama is reelected, and if you assume that the Reps keep the House (which is in jeopardy) and the Dems control the Senate, you're right, it won't matter, 'cause the Reps will just block everything for another four years.....
The idiot is your mom...
God you're an idiot....
Even for a Swamp Dweller.....
But Paul is not sold out to a political party, fool...
He can't, Swampthing.
Tell you what, let's make a Romoney style bet....
IF Ron Paul wins the White House, I'll never darken this site again.....
IF Ron Paul doesn't win the White House.....you leave forever.
DEAL????
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