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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    In the picture above they call it a 'Full Body pat down' but it's totally routine and takes 20 seconds.

    Its never bothered me, I think you would need to be either a prima donna or a maybe unusually uncomfortable with human contact to be bothered at all.

    Before 9-11 American airport security used to be some of the worst in the world. Why wouldn't you want at least a basic check done on par with what you get going into a nightclub?
    If you accept the "boxcutters" part of the BCE "official" story of 9-11, then it would be relatively easy (as Thom Hartmann also mentioned this morning) to modify a belt buckle to conceal a razor blade and then attach it to some sort of handle made out of a non-metallic material. The belt buckle would set off alarms, naturally, but it would be visible, and thus probably not subject to any further scrutiny, unless there was some obvious tampering evident in the general screening.

    The metal detectors, the wand (for when that fails) and removing jackets or possibly other baggy clothing is more than sufficient. I don't believe groping or radioactive porno scanners are necessary.

    Shit happens. If you want the shit to happen less, stop bombing the shit out of other countries (if you believe the BCE official story) and stop electing criminals to run this country (if you believe any part of that story is bullshit).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    If you want the shit to happen less, stop bombing the shit out of other countries
    Amen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    In the picture above they call it a 'Full Body pat down' but it's totally routine and takes 20 seconds.

    Its never bothered me, I think you would need to be either a prima donna or a maybe unusually uncomfortable with human contact to be bothered at all.

    Before 9-11 American airport security used to be some of the worst in the world. Why wouldn't you want at least a basic check done on par with what you get going into a nightclub?
    I would of been pissed if I was in line behind him!

    Yeah, they make you put your arms out and they pat you down.....big fucking deal.

    I agree, flying pre 9/11 was a hoot....hell, when I first started flying you could still smoke on planes. That was party time!
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    Smoking a cigarette is party time ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    No fair...

    You've never had a point...


    By reading your posts here....I'd say you've never had a point, either

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Smoking a cigarette is party time ??
    No jackass, we were smoking da Mary Jane and covering it up with cigs!

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    Hmm. Those Marlboros are smelling kind of sweet. Phillip Morris must have altered the tobacco blend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    no jackass, we were smoking da mary jane and covering it up with cigs!
    yeah right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    yeah right...
    OK....it must of been a dream!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Hmm. Those Marlboros are smelling kind of sweet. Phillip Morris must have altered the tobacco blend.
    Man, we had it down to a science.....glass one hitter in a wooden dugout. Take a toke and hit your cig then exhale! Worked every time!

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    Shit happens. If you want the shit to happen less, stop bombing the shit out of other countries (if you believe the BCE official story) and stop electing criminals to run this country (if you believe any part of that story is bullshit).
    Pretty much sums up the problem. How about that asshole ompaloompa bone head doing nothing about Eric Holder. Our criminal in charge of the injustice department. I would say selling arms to drug cartels that are later used to kill US government border guards is kind of a big fucking deal. Nobody seems to care about that one. Oh you would think a big Repuke would be all over it because they are so pro gun. All I can say is the crooks are showing their true colors. They all are in cahoots with each other and most this shit they say into a microphone with a camera on them is bullshit they think we want to hear. What they do on the other hand most the time doesn't match their lying rhetoric. They are no longer politicians let's just call them gangsters. They racketeer, they bet on rigged games (insider trading), the intimidate, and they even kill people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It was.

    It's also interesting that some gays don't seem to be bothered about it. It's recognised that Paul probably doesn't like gays much but since he is a libertarian they trust he will leave them alone.
    There was an article not too long ago that basically stated that gay intellectuals are rather indifferent to Paul, and hate closet cases like Sanatorium far more due to their beliefs about legislating morality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    If you accept the "boxcutters" part of the BCE "official" story of 9-11, then it would be relatively easy (as Thom Hartmann also mentioned this morning) to modify a belt buckle to conceal a razor blade and then attach it to some sort of handle made out of a non-metallic material. The belt buckle would set off alarms, naturally, but it would be visible, and thus probably not subject to any further scrutiny, unless there was some obvious tampering evident in the general screening.

    The metal detectors, the wand (for when that fails) and removing jackets or possibly other baggy clothing is more than sufficient. I don't believe groping or radioactive porno scanners are necessary.

    Shit happens. If you want the shit to happen less, stop bombing the shit out of other countries (if you believe the BCE official story) and stop electing criminals to run this country (if you believe any part of that story is bullshit).


    Whomever said the boxcutters weren't detected, but thought harmless? This was fucking 2001, not 2002....
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    The thing about the boxcutters is that it was a device that could only work once.

    Pre 9-11 a hijacking always led to either being flown to the wrong destination or a stand off where you end up at some airport waiting to either get released or worst case scenario special forces killing the hijackers. It was therefore more sensible when a hostess got her throat cut and another one was threatened to appease the situation and wait for things to sort themselves out.

    The minute planes started getting flown into the side of a buildings boxcutters no longer became a sufficient threat for a hijacker hence Flight 93.

    Actually part of me wonders if box cutters would ever have been enough on a holiday charter flight out of Scotland but that's a different story...
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    I was about to say calling your kid after Ayn Rand is like calling them Adolf but according to Wikki it's just a coincidence.

    Hmmm
    Despite his father's libertarian views and strong support for individual rights,[9][10] the novelist Ayn Rand was not the inspiration for Paul's first name; he went by "Randy" while growing up.[11] His wife shortened his name to "Rand".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The thing about the boxcutters is that it was a device that could only work once.

    Pre 9-11 a hijacking always led to either being flown to the wrong destination or a stand off where you end up at some airport waiting to either get released or worst case scenario special forces killing the hijackers. It was therefore more sensible when a hostess got her throat cut and another one was threatened to appease the situation and wait for things to sort themselves out.

    The minute planes started getting flown into the side of a buildings boxcutters no longer became a sufficient threat for a hijacker hence Flight 93.

    Actually part of me wonders if box cutters would ever have been enough on a holiday charter flight out of Scotland but that's a different story...
    The 9/11 flights were also not the first time in history that airliners were hijacked using knives. I'm pretty sure I've read about Cuban anti-Castro terrorists that hijacked an airliner using knives also. Secondly, the box-cutters were not the only threat, which included a fake bomb--more than enough to pacify most passengers by giving them a glimmer of hope they might be used as hostages on the ground...

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    Randy is a semi-common texas name. I know a few people named that.
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    Paul reportedly hit the only home run over the fence in the history of the Congressional series ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The 9/11 flights were also not the first time in history that airliners were hijacked using knives. I'm pretty sure I've read about Cuban anti-Castro terrorists that hijacked an airliner using knives also. Secondly, the box-cutters were not the only threat, which included a fake bomb--more than enough to pacify most passengers by giving them a glimmer of hope they might be used as hostages on the ground...
    The old mindset of cooperate with the hijackers is gone now. If anyone tries it now the passengers are going to tear them apart like a rag doll. If they bought their box cutters at Wal-Mart of Harbor Freight the cheap MADE IN CHINA blades will snap off as soon as they cut into the lower seat cushion someone is using as a shield then they will have their temple smashed with the sharp edge of a juice can while the cheap plastic beverage cup is smashed over their eyes and all the sharp bits of plastic are ground into their eye sockets. Then we will have Al Roker sit on them and fart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post

    I agree, flying pre 9/11 was a hoot....hell, when I first started flying you could still smoke on planes. That was party time!

    I remember. As a kid I was lucky enough to get to go on a few family trips to Hawaii, London, Acapulco, & Cabo San Lucas. Everyone was smoking, drinking, enjoying the windows & looking out. (This was the late 70's early 80's) When I wasn't flying but taking or picking up someone, I would walk right up to the gate to wait for them. Now I drop them off in the parking lot & let them be alone for 3 hours before the flight.

    Anyone remember PSA? The planes that had a smiley face painted on the front?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I was about to say calling your kid after Ayn Rand is like calling them Adolf but according to Wikki it's just a coincidence.

    Hmmm
    Bullshit.



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    I think you rode too much sit and spin when you were a baby...

    Oh wait, you're still a baby...


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    who cares if he's named after Ayn Rand or not...

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    Well probably most people - the people that have never read her shitty books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Well probably most people - the people that have never read her shitty books.
    Isn't that what Neal Peart based "2112" on ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    Isn't that what Neal Peart based "2112" on ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    who cares if he's named after Ayn Rand or not...
    I would think HE would.......


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    Despite LoungeMachine's claims, the numbers reveal Ron Paul is electable
    Posted 01/25/2012 by W. E. Messamore

    It has nearly become a journalistic convention to editorialize alongside any reference to Texas congressman Ron Paul that the 2012 presidential candidate is considered by many to be unelectable. Or, that other than some interesting points of view and a curiously energized following, Ron Paul’s presidential candidacy is unserious, that the Republican Party’s constitutionalist– as Mitt Romney recently called Paul in a debate– has no viable path to the White House.

    Just last month for example, iconic conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh made an appearance on Fox News Channel‘s On The Record with Greta van Sustren and said, “I think right now anybody other than Ron Paul could beat Obama if the election were tomorrow.” But this claim isn’t just being repeated by talk radio hosts who stand opposite of Ron Paul in the Republican Party’s internecine battle over principles and policy, it’s being repeated by presumably objective news anchors and writers– it’s showing up as a random aside in Associated Press reports, whose authors can’t seem to bear mentioning Ron Paul’s name without editorializing that the presidential hopeful is “often dismissed as unelectable by members of his own party.”

    But is Ron Paul actually unelectable? Do the facts support that claim? Whether you agree with Ron Paul’s political views or not, whether you think he should be the Republican Party’s nominee or not, his actual electability as a presidential candidate is an entirely separate question– one that can be answered by investigating the facts instead of merely repeating the same opinion ad nauseam and hoping it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as the status quo‘s cheerleaders in the media have seemingly been doing.

    As is consistently attested by poll results and even the Republican Party’s most recent primary votes in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, the facts are these: Ron Paul performs better among independents than any other Republican candidate for the presidential nomination. He also performs better among young voters under 30 than any other Republican. Ron Paul also outperforms any of the remaining Republican candidates among Democrats, liberals, moderates, and low-income voters.

    Independents, people under 30, liberals, moderates, and low income voters are all key constituencies that helped Obama win his primary and the general election in 2008. It only stands to reason that the candidate with the broadest appeal to Obama’s key voters and the greatest chance of swaying their votes is the most electable candidate. Even former Florida Governor Jeb Bush realizes that the Republicans can only win the general election with a candidate who appeals to independents, which is why he recently admonished the GOP’s candidates, saying “You have to maintain your principles but have a broader appeal.”

    Maintain principles while having a broader appeal? Even Ron Paul’s critics will concede that he is extremely principled. The facts, meanwhile, show that Ron Paul also has the broadest appeal to voters. That’s why it’s no surprise that Paul runs neck-and-neck with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama in hypothetical general election match ups according to the polls, another fact that disproves the constantly-repeated claim that Ron Paul is not electable. The polls show that in fact, Ron Paul is more electable than any other Republican candidate except for Mitt Romney, with whom he is tied– and both are tied against President Obama.

    It’s one thing to offer substantive criticisms of Ron Paul’s candidacy and beliefs, but it’s another thing entirely to mislead voters into thinking that his chances of winning are much worse than the facts actually indicate they are. It’s up to the media to inform voters, not pick the nominee for them. The media owes Ron Paul, but more importantly, owes its audience a less misleading assessment of Ron Paul’s electability. Members of the media should set the record straight. Because of his strong appeal to independents, moderates, young voters, and low income voters, Ron Paul does as well or better than any other Republican candidate in a general election match up with President Obama. Those are facts. Like him or not, Ron Paul’s electable.
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    Look, Ron Paul is naive, to say the least, about his deregulate everything and the market will correct itself. Blindly trusting that Wall Street, the banks and congress will regulate themselves or that by engaging in illegal or shady practices they will eventually be caught by the public or fail because of it.

    In recent times you only have to look at.....Enron, Bernie Madoff, predatory lending, credit card fraud, Bank of America and on and on!

    They were able to get away with this because of Deregulation and the laissez-faire attitude that the Bush Administration had towards their criminal activity.

    Did they eventually get caught? Yes, but not after destroying hardworking people's life savings, creating a housing bubble that devalued everyone's property, and damn near put us into another Depression.

    Should we deregulate the safe guards that protect our food supply or the toys our kids play with? Remember it was because of Regulations that China got busted putting Lead Base Paint into our toothpaste and kid's toys.

    How about businesses that pollute the environment so bad that innocent men, women and children have died or have gotten cancer?

    So why in the fuck would I support someone that, by his own policy, would destroy what little safe guards we have left.

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    I don't think RP's position is to "deregulate everything"......

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    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/economy/

    THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW
    The severe economic crisis America has experienced over the past several years, including growing inflation, rising gas prices, trillion-dollar budget deficits, immoral bailouts, and the ever-declining value of the dollar, is just the tip of the iceberg if our nation does not immediately change course.

    UNHEEDED WARNINGS
    As the crash approached, Ron Paul was heavily criticized by the establishment media and even many of his fellow Republicans because he would not back down from his warnings about where big government policies were leading America.

    When those warnings came true, however, our President and leaders in Congress didn’t let the crisis “go to waste” and used it as an excuse to expand government intervention and power on an unprecedented level.

    Excessive spending, artificial credit, and market manipulation crashed our economy, and no one should be surprised that these same policies continue to prolong the suffering for millions of Americans.

    We need a President who is not afraid to make the tough decisions necessary to restore America’s economy and guarantee future prosperity.

    REAL SOLUTIONS
    As President, Ron Paul will lead the way out of this crisis by:

    * Vetoing any unbalanced budget Congress sends to his desk.

    * Refusing to further raise the debt ceiling so politicians can no longer spend recklessly.

    * Fighting to fully audit (and then end) the Federal Reserve System, which has enabled the over 95% reduction of what our dollar can buy and continues to create money out of thin air to finance future debt.

    * Legalizing sound money, so the government is forced to get serious about the dollar’s value.

    * Ending the corporate stranglehold on the White House.

    * Driving down gas prices by allowing offshore drilling, abolishing highway motor fuel taxes, increasing the mileage reimbursement rates, and offering tax credits to individuals and businesses for the use and production of natural gas vehicles.

    * Eliminating the income, capital gains, and death taxes to ensure you keep more of your hard-earned money and are able to pass on your legacy to your family without government interference.

    * Opposing all unfunded mandates and unnecessary regulations on small businesses and entrepreneurs.

    These are just a few of the steps we can take to put America back in place as the world’s leading economy. Taking a stand for these principles has often been a lonely fight in Congress for Ron Paul, but, now more than ever, our nation needs a President who will champion sound money, responsible spending, lower taxes, and free market enterprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    True that RP wants less regulation, and many would agree with that common sense approach. I read the article on your link (below) and don't see where RP takes the position to "deregulate everything".

    The Moral Hazard of Regulation

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    Since the bailout bill passed, I have been frequently disturbed to hear “experts” wrongly blaming the free market for our recent economic problems and calling for more regulation. In fact, further regulation can only make things worse.

    It is important to understand that regulators are not omniscient. It is not feasible for them to anticipate every possible thing that could go wrong with whatever industry or activity they are regulating. They are making their best guesses when formulating rules. It is often difficult for those being regulated to understand the many complex rules they are expected to follow. Very wealthy corporations hire attorneys who may discover a myriad of loopholes to exploit and render the spirit of the regulations null and void. For this reason, heavy regulation favors big business against those small businesses who cannot afford high-priced attorneys.

    The other problem is the trust that people blindly put in regulations, and the moral hazard this creates. Too many people trust government regulators so completely that they abdicate their own common sense to these government bureaucrats. They trust that if something violates no law, it must be safe. How many scams have “It’s perfectly legal” as a hypnotic selling point, luring in the gullible?

    Many people did not understand the financial house of cards that are derivatives, but since they were legal and promised a great return, people invested. It is much the same in any area rife with government involvement. Many feel that just because their children are getting good grades at a government school, they are getting a good education. After all, they are passing the government-mandated litmus test. But, this does not guarantee educational excellence. Neither is it always the case that a child who does NOT achieve good marks in school is going to be unsuccessful in life.

    Is your drinking water safe, just because the government says it is? Is the internet going to magically become safer for your children if the government approves regulations on it? I would caution any parent against believing this would be the case. Nothing should take the place of your own common sense and due diligence.

    These principles explain why the free market works so much better than a centrally planned economy. With central planning, everything shifts from one’s own judgment about safety, wisdom and relative benefits of a behavior, to the discretion of government bureaucrats. The question then becomes “what can I get away with,” and there will always be advantages for those who can afford lawyers to find the loopholes. The result then is that bad behavior, that would quickly fail under the free market, is propped up, protected and perpetuated, and sometimes good behavior is actually discouraged.

    Regulation can actually benefit big business and corporate greed, while simultaneously killing small businesses that are the backbone of our now faltering economy. This is why I get so upset every time someone claims regulation can resolve the crisis that we are in. Rather, it will only exacerbate it.

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    There's a reason this country has been going into a toilet spiral for the last 30 years. And that is the systematic destruction of every regulation put in place to prevent another depression, beginning with the BCE return to the White House in 1981, and continuing ever since.

    It's a proven FAILURE, yet Ron Paul thinks that removing even the few remaining regulations would solve the problem. Three decades of evidence proves just the opposite is true. And 4 decades of evidence before that proves how strong this country was, when capitalism WAS properly regulated.

    The Libertarian fairy tale of "the free market deciding everything" cannot possibly happen, because only under regulation can a free market even exist.

    Four or Five huge multinational corporations controlling every industry on the planet is not a "free market".

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    I said it before.....I agree with a lot of what Paul says and it's pretty common sense stuff.

    It's just the things I disagree with and how he'll go about those things that outweigh the good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    There's a reason this country has been going into a toilet spiral for the last 30 years.
    Yes, the massive Government expansion, spending, and debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combat Ready View Post
    Yes, the massive Government expansion, spending, and debt.
    Also known as The Bush Years 2000-2008


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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    I said it before.....I agree with a lot of what Paul says and it's pretty common sense stuff.

    It's just the things I disagree with and how he'll go about those things that outweigh the good stuff.
    I understand and think that's a fair position. We've just been trying the same BS with different names (Repubs and Dems) for so long. And it just doesn't work. Maybe a little more freedom, less spending on foreign and domestic, and reducing some debt is worth a shot? That would be hope and change I could support.....

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