ron paul=awesome/kickass?

[Dr. Love]

I share your frustration with Obama.....

I agree the crazy old man Paul can't be bought....



But Obama will be re-elected, and Paul will never get the GOP Nom.

if our only choice is to vote for one of the Obamneys then we get what we deserve as a country... more of the fucked up same

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Another discussion about what the President didn't do, without including Republican filibusters into it....

[LoungeMachine]

if our only choice is to vote for one of the Obamneys then we get what we deserve as a country... more of the fucked up same

As opposed to thinking the crazy doctor from Texas can fix it?



Until this country takes back our elections/congress with REAL reform this is what we get.

[Dr. Love]

Another discussion about what the President didn't do, without including Republican filibusters into it....

Both sides are fine with the filibuster rule and don't change it when the senate convenes... and neither side challenges it and forces a filibuster to actually shut down the Senate and answer to the people when they do.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for a bunch of gasbags that don't even TRY

[Dr. Love]

As opposed to thinking the crazy doctor from Texas can fix it?



Until this country takes back our elections/congress with REAL reform this is what we get.

It has to start somewhere. Ron Paul is a cause candidate -- and I support the cause (and the candidate). If he doesn't get it, I have faith someone else will take up the banner and keep pushing.

[LoungeMachine]

Both sides are fine with the filibuster rule and don't change it when the senate convenes... and neither side challenges it and forces a filibuster to actually shut down the Senate and answer to the people when they do.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for a bunch of gasbags that don't even TRY

Nor do I....

Now please explain to us how President Paul, with no support or coalition would get anything passed?

[LoungeMachine]

It has to start somewhere. .

It starts with REFORM....

not a nut.

[Nitro Express]

Obama owns the first 2 years....

The Repuke, do nothing Congress own the last 2.....



Doen't mean we turn it over to Mittens.

You are the guy that thinks the same beer is better as long as it's in a bottle with your favorite brand name on it. Go ahead and believe all the political theater. That's all it is.

[Nitro Express]

Nor do I....

Now please explain to us how President Paul, with no support or coalition would get anything passed?

Use all the new power Bush gave the presidency. Obama sure seems to be enjoying it.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Both sides are fine with the filibuster rule and don't change it when the senate convenes... and neither side challenges it and forces a filibuster to actually shut down the Senate and answer to the people when they do.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for a bunch of gasbags that don't even TRY

Actually, even if they forced a fillibuster, there's not much that the Democrats could do once they forced it. This article explains it pretty well:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/the-myth-of-the-filibuste_n_169117.html

And since they can't invoke cloture with 60 votes, they're fucked.....

[Nitro Express]

if our only choice is to vote for one of the Obamneys then we get what we deserve as a country... more of the fucked up same

They will rob and steal until the lid finally blows off. We can either solve it politically or we can blow each other's heads off. The latter happens after the political process fails.

[Dr. Love]

Nor do I....

Now please explain to us how President Paul, with no support or coalition would get anything passed?

Ron Paul shares agenda items with both republicans and democrats. In a deeply divided congress, he could work with both sides to get the country moving on the left and the right.

Agenda items like:

Bringing the troops home
Cutting spending across the board
Decriminalizing marijuana
Lowering taxes


...


the list goes on, but the point is, he can move the ball in multiple areas by having shared issues with both sides.

[LoungeMachine]

You are the guy that thinks the same beer is better as long as it's in a bottle with your favorite brand name on it. Go ahead and believe all the political theater. That's all it is.

No, but I look forward to you telling us how you worked for years as a master brewer.....

[LoungeMachine]

Ron Paul shares agenda items with both republicans and democrats. .

You mean like tax cuts?

Ask Obama how well the Repuke congress helped him "move the ball" on that one....

[Dr. Love]

Actually, even if they forced a fillibuster, there's not much that the Democrats could do once they forced it. This article explains it pretty well:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/the-myth-of-the-filibuste_n_169117.html

And since they can't invoke cloture with 60 votes, they're fucked.....

I read the article, but I think this can be addressed 1 of 2 ways:

1. Amend the rules
2. When a party threatens to shut down government ... call the bluff. Let them make endless quorum calls. The people aren't dumb ... when they see it happening, they will express their anger over it.