Originally Posted by Combat Ready
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That's a reasonable take, but hey--what's decided Lm? Fuck--the front-runner has 100 delegates with 1000 more to go? You say it's already decided, for who? Romney? How much you bettin' Lm?I don't
I just like watching people flounder around wishing things weren't already decided.....
Unless Dr. Wacko wants to run third party, his time in the spotlight is pretty much over.....if you can really call it a spotlight.
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And yeah---RP has some high favorable ratings. Fact!
The "best" case scenario you could make for Ron Paul having a chance at the Repuke nomination is that the other three fucking idiots keep tearing themselves down, and as a result neither the Dog Abuser, the Serial Adulterer, or the Fetus Fetishist have a clear margin of victory by the time of convention.
Uh, that convention is in Tampa Florida.
You know who still runs that state, don't you? Especially the Republican party.
So even if by some miracle Ron Paul manages to roll into Tampa with delegates, do you really think the BCE - who have controlled every Repuke presidency of the last 60 years - would allow him to be nominated in a state they OWN??
The very state where the 2000 election was blatantly stolen.
In fact my cynical side says this whole thing has been scripted for a Jeb coronation all along. The only reason not to believe that, is that the BCE usually waits for the economy to recover, so they can steal the country blind again. There's really nothing left for them to steal now.
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Truth - more than anyone else...Really?
How many has he "racked up" again?
But you wouldn't know that...
Apparently, you wouldn't even know where to look, or you just don't bother...
I get it though...the mainstream media has already told you what to think...
The only thing you seem to think you know is "Ron Paul can't win"...
But I suggest you start reading Dr. Love's "long ass cut and pastes."
It'll do you some good...
Last edited by ELVIS; 02-15-2012 at 05:58 AM. Reason: Because RON PAUL CAN WIN !!!
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Miracle ??
I expect that kind of BS out of LoungeMasoos, but you're supposed to be more informed than that...
I suggest you look in to how the Paul campaign strategy is collecting delegates...
The media is either lying or they are reporting completely fabricated figures when they report the numbers of delagates for each candidate...
It doesn't matter. Let's say they roll into Tampa with even 1/4 of the delegates. And lets say the other three idiots have an equal amount. The actual number of course will never be split in 4 equal parts, but for this example, just roll with it so it makes the math easier.
How many of that 75% (combined representatives of the Three Stooges) are going to defect to the guy who won't invade Iran and might just legalize pot, and let the queers get married. You can obviously count out the Mormons, the Opus Dei Catholics, and the Likudist Synagogue of Satan Jews. The "defense" lobbyists and big pharma shills too, most likely. The rabid Batista cult from Miami won't go for him either, because old Ron (to his credit) wouldn't support a right wing takeover of Cuba the minute old Fidel and his brother drop dead (which is likely within the next decade, by any reasonable estimation)
How the Hell is he going to get the majority of Repukes to vote for him, even without BCE interference?
What if he has 3/4 of the delagates ??
What if there's a brokered convention and the effort to shun Ron Paul gets totally exposed ??
What if he then runs as a third party candidate between the lame duck Obama and the broken and fraudulent repugnacan party...
Could he not win ??
A brokered convention in Florida is going to be stolen on behalf of whomever the BCE wants. Why? Because it's Florida, and the BCE/CIA has ran the goddamn state since the late 50s.
The BCE might endorse Romney, but more then likely, they would just throw Jeb in, and hope that by starting World War III in Iran they could pocket "defense" industry kickbacks to make up for all the money they couldn't steal from a previously healthy economy, like the one Chimpy inherited from Clinton and then turned to shit.
You can't get a stadium full of brainwashed zombies who have been listening to FAUX and Limpdick for decades to vote against warmongering and religious extremism. It would take a miracle from Christ Himself, and He ain't going anywhere near that place!
Hmmm...
Lounge, I'm not sure you know how the caucus process works?
The point is none of them have the delegates from Iowa, Maine, Nevada, Minnesota or Colorado yet ... and from all indications at the precinct level, Ron Paul has a very, very good shot of securing the delegates at the state conventions for the national convention. There are consistent reports of him taking the majority (and in some cases, the full slate) of delegates for the majority of precincts in those states.
Paul precinct delegates are very loyal and work closely with the campaign. The majority of them have reported in that they are precinct delegates, which will caucus next at the county level, before going on to the state. The Paul campaign knows how many people they have working the system on their behalf and are very confident that they will wind up with the majority of delegates from the early states (except New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida).
Hell, the new state GOP chairman in Iowa is a former Ron Paul campaign chairman for that state. Their plan is to take over the system from the inside for Ron Paul.
Time will tell ... but I think they have a good strategy at play (very similar to the one Obama used on Clinton in 2008).
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I'm sure they'll make an attempt, but ultimately, after the first round of voting, delegates are free to vote for whomever they want. The goal is to have a very, very large contingent of Paul delegates involved in the process to push their candidate or build a coalition.
Besides, if they coronate someone else other than the 4 currently running (assuming they all reach the convention, and it's brokered) ... the GOP will be completely crushed (not a bad thing). There's no chance anyone can raise capital enough or campaign enough to face off well against Obama (which is unfortunate).
They clearly want to start a war with Iran because they have robbed the country to where they have to print money from nothing to rob. One of their scams was to outsource the US economy to asia and then use asian money to run their crooked financial network. It's so much easier to make money in banking than making real goods and marketing them. I know a guy who ran a successful car dealership and sold that and went into banking and he says it's amazing how much more easier being a banker is.
I think the plan was to intimidate the world using NATO Do what we say or we will invade you using terrorism as the excuse. With no cold war they had to invent something else and the war on terror was the replacement. Look at how many oil nations have been invaded and robbed with that excuse. I think hind sight is 20/20. The problem is they don't control China and they don't control Russia. Plus the EU is falling apart and frankly the Americans are fed up as well. The Asian money they hoped to use has been cut off. You only need to look at the Baltic Dry Index to tell that. So they have a problem and the only trick they have left is to start a massive war with Iran. The problem there is China and Russia know exactly what they are trying to pull. It probably won't be World War III but you may have an attack on Iran and a counter attack on Israel but Russia and China won't counter attack because that plays into the western banking cabal's game. That also doesn't stop them from trying to declare martial law here. Oh the politicians will declare it and you may have a few troops and mercenaries trying to police it. They might even have some gangs and drug lords stirring the pot for good measure but they just don't have the muscle to take the US over or control it.
They are spread too thin, their asian money has been cut off, and they don't have the muscle. It wonk work. It will cause plenty of havoc but if they continue with their plans they cut their own throat and it's bye bye Bushco.
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Just to show how weak these guys are when the banks approached Ireland and demanded payment the Irish told them to show them the International Bank of Settlements registration on the money. Because the money was fraudulent and created through illegal mirror accounts there are no registration numbers. The Irish refused to pay and they are still there and so is Iceland. Goldman Sachs basically told the elected president of Italy to step down and replaced him with their shill Monty. They just stepped in and took over Italy. Greece has been an on going process. The big lie is saying they are bailing the country out but in reality the country was loaned a bunch of funny money and then they want real assets in return. It's how the banks have been robbing nations for years but now they are just trying to do the same to the more industrialized ones. It's all a scam. All we need to do is stiff the bankers and they fall. They can't even take over Ireland and Iceland for gods sakes, good luck taking the US.
They control the media and they own the politicians and print lots of funny money. That's about it. They will sell lies through the media telling people if the banks aren't bailed out the whole world will end. Interesting the nations who refused to bail out the banks are doing just fine right now. Then they tell lies like weapons of mass destruction to justify a war. Iran is the new weapons of mass destruction lie. Don't fall for this shit.
For the record, most major central banks worldwide are registered with the Bank of International Settlements. By law any money issued should be registered. Interesting enough the Euro was never a IBS currency to begin with so is not backed by the trust collateral accounts. So the Euro is complete funny money and most the new dollars issued by the Federal Reserve were never registered with the IBS or US Treasury. The good thing in that is it will be easy to audit and find the shit dollars and they never were issued to the public anyways Goldman Sachs and the other FED gang were holding them on their books probably to cover their derivative losses. Major illegal banking hocus pocus going on and all roads lead to Goldman Sachs. They seem to be the main instigator in Europe and here.
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In short you have media hype and then you have nuts and bolts reality. Delegates are reality polls and media coverage are hocus pocus. The whole modern political process is so fixated on public image it has gotten away from reality. At the end of the day a pretty boy image and poll numbers don't create delegates. Ron Paul was smart enough to see once his competition got he poll numbers and the media coverage they left to go eat or get laid or whatever. He saw if his people stayed for the actual business of assigning delegates he would get those. In other words, he really out smarted the other republicans who just have big corporate money showered on them and have their teeth whitened for the cameras.
I love how some of the Republican press are trying to say what the Paul Campaign is doing is rigged and illegal. No. The other Republicans are just running off to get drunk and laid on Koch and Bush money while the Ron Paul people are staying and actually getting work done.
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What if monkeys flew out of your ass?What if he has 3/4 of the delagates ??
You play the "what if" game all you want, moron.
Ru will never get the GOP nom.
Unless he runs third party, he's done.
He should run third party with Rocky Anderson. I'd vote for the ticket, as long as it was with the understanding that Ron Paul would never be allowed to touch domestic policy, aside from the "federal" reserve and the "war" on drugs.
I think the main question we need to ask domestically is why do we have all these government welfare programs and why to we have a huge military program? Sure a few people make money off both systems but the bigger problem is the system as a whole is a failure. Was it purposefully made a failure to control it? Was it just a failure due to poor management? Is it a failure because a lazy and complacent public either wants it or does nothing to stop it? I think all three.
We really are at a crossroads where business as usual is going to lead to complete destruction. It will be more financial chasms between rich and poor, it will be more wars, it will be more environmental destruction. It seems it doesn't matter if a mainstream Republican or Democrat get elected. They both market a different product but once they get in they do the same things. More war, more government programs, more individual rights taken away, and more out obscene spending. I recently discovered a report I wrote in fourth grade on the disposal of nuclear waste. Amazingly little or nothing has been done on that since I was in fourth grade. I've heard about improving the school systems for the last 40 years and they have not improved. Business as usual has been a complete failure.
To be honest I haven't seen any leadership in the Executive Branch my whole life. It's always the same shit. I've never seen anyone get up there and set a goal and offer some challenges. I always thought the space program in its heyday was a good thing. It really was a military program but without invading anyone or killing anyone (short of some unfortunate accidents due to space travel being dangerous). I can remember being a small child playing with all my Apollo moon mission toys thinking man we are putting men on the moon now, what is the world going to be like when I'm 30? I think we all did that. Then in the 70's I just watched what was great in the country decline. We had two whole complete Saturn V launch vehicles we never used. The program just ended. There seemed to be no goals to shoot for. We had a fossil fuel problem and that was an opportunity for another president to stand up there and offer a challenge to advance transportation and fuel to something else. It never happened and here we are now in 2012 with the same shit 70's problems.
The whole personal computer revolution seemed to bring some hope. It never came from a politician offering a challenge but started off with just a bunch of nerd hobbiests wanting to have computers for themselves. When it was discovered these little computers could be useful man it changed the world. It was a US phenomina that spread worldwide and most the software and hardware was made here. I can remember all the money from it and the hope of if you wanted to work hard you could have a very good living and man, where is this all going to go and all the posibilities? The Republicans will credit Reagan for it but really, Reagan just spent a record amount of money and grew the government even bigger. The government had very little to do with the 80's economy. What the PC revolution created was more than enough to make up for what we were starting to outsource and then we outsourced the PC economy as well.
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I'm more shocked that anyone ever thought him "likeable."
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As opposed to you being spoon-fed by some overnight radio douchebag that profits off of 9/11 denial...Truth - more than anyone else...
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I get it though...the mainstream media has already told you what to think...
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tl;dr for Lounge - Ron Paul is building a new part of the republican base with young people, and getting them into positions in the GOP of each state to raise a new generation to carry his message forwardRon Paul Is Secretly Taking Over The GOP — And It's Driving People Insane
Grace Wyler
By now, it is clear that the Maine caucuses were a complete mess.
Evidence is mounting that Mitt Romney's 194-vote victory over Ron Paul was prematurely announced, if not totally wrong. Washington County canceled their caucus on Saturday on account of three inches of snow (hardly a blizzard by Maine standards), and other towns that scheduled their caucuses for this week have been left out of the vote count. Now, it looks like caucuses that did take place before Feb. 11 have also been left out of final tally.
As the full extent of the chaos unfolds, sources close to the Paul campaign tell Business Insider that it is looking increasingly like Romney's team might have a hand in denying Paul votes, noting that Romney has some admirably ruthless operatives on his side and a powerful incentive to avoid a fifth caucus loss this month.
According to the Paul campaign, the Maine Republican Party is severely under-reporting Paul's results — and Romney isn't getting the same treatment. For example, nearly all the towns in Waldo County — a Ron Paul stronghold – held their caucuses on Feb. 4, but the state GOP reported no results for those towns. In Waterville, a college town in Central Maine, results were reported but not included in the party vote count. Paul beat Romney 21-5 there, according to the Kennebec County GOP.
"It's too common," senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. "If it was chaos, we would expect strong Romney counties to be unreported, and that's not what's happening."
The Maine Republican Party won't decide which votes it will count until the executive committee meets next month. But Wead points out that even if Mitt Romney holds on to his slim lead, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.
"He will have disenfranchised all of these people," Wead said. "It could be a costly victory — it is a mistake."
The (alleged) bias against Paul may also be the product of an organic opposition to the libertarian Congressman and his army of ardent fans. Paul volunteers tend to be young and relatively new to party politics, and their presence has many state GOP stalwarts feeling territorial.
"People feel threatened — they don't want to see a bunch of kids who may have voted for Barack Obama take over," Wead said. "They feel a sense of ownership over the party — but there has to be an accommodation."
But state party machinations are already starting to backfire. The Paul campaign believes it has won the majority of Maine's delegates — and the perceived election fraud has galvanized Paul supporters to demand their votes be counted in the state's straw poll 'beauty contest.'
Caucus chaos has also proved to be fertile ground for Paul's quiet takeover of the Republican Party. Since 2008, the campaign and Paul's Campaign for Liberty PAC have made a concerted effort to get Paul sympathists involved in the political process. Now, tumult in state party organizations has allowed these supporters to rise up the ranks.
"We like strong party leadership when it comes from us," Paul campaign chair Jesse Benton told Business Insider. "Our people work very hard to make sure that their voice is heard."
The fruits of this labor are evident in Iowa, where Paul's former state campaign co-chair A.J. Spiker was just elected as the new chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. Spiker replaces Matt Strawn, who stepped down over this year's Iowa caucus dustup. In Nevada, the state chair has also resigned over caucus disaster, and several Ron Paul supporters are well-positioned to step up to fill the void. These new leaders not only expand Paul's influence at the state level, but also help protect Paul and his hard-won delegates from state party machinations as the delegate-selection process moves to district and state conventions, and eventually the Republican National Convention this summer.
"We are always trying to bring people into the party," Benton said. "I think that is a very positive thing for Republicans. Ron is the person who can build the Republican base, bring new blood into the party. That's how you build the party."
In Maine, the caucus disaster has made the state GOP prime for a Ron Paul takeover. And that means that Paul's hard-won delegates will be protected as the delegate selection process
"We are taking over the party," Wead told BI. "That's the important thing — and that is what we are doing in Maine."
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PAGING THE NEGATIVITY SQUAD
I've supplied the parade, you guys see if you can bring enough rain...
Zing! (02-17-2012)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Xc&output=html
Here's a spreadsheet that shows all precinct totals in Maine. Only 51% of the precincts were counted.
And yet, it's a Romney win!
Maine has updated caucus totals but won't release a new official count. What a bunch of retards.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/15/ma...ed-vote-count/Maine GOP adds missing caucus votes, but won’t release updated vote count
By Steven Nelson
The Maine Republican Party has added additional votes accidentally omitted from Saturday’s caucus results, state party chairman Charlie Webster told The Daily Caller Wednesday. But those votes won’t be publicly released.
“We don’t want any more drama,” Webster told TheDC. “I’ve already got death threats and 1,800 emails.”
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was declared the victor in Maine over the weekend, claiming a slim 194-vote lead over Texas Rep. Ron Paul.
Paul supporters, however, expressed dismay over errors in tabulating vote counts in various localities, including several towns in Waldo County. That county’s Republican committee passed a motion of censure against Webster on Tuesday.
In addition to the missing votes, a caucus scheduled for Washington County on Saturday was postponed due to a forecast of snow. The Paul campaign insisted that it would have won the state had the vote not been pushed back, and the county’s GOP chair is advocating that its results be included in the ultimate tally.
The Paul campaign is expected to make a serious push for turnout in Washington County’s rescheduled caucus this Saturday.
“If Romney lost by 20 votes, would we be having this big discussion?” Webster mused.
According to Webster, he has been an honest broker, but he will not release the updated vote count ahead a March 10 meeting of the 83-or-so-member state party committee because “people are going to sense a conspiracy and this is going to keep going.”
Webster’s brusque treatment of criticism has rubbed many Paul supporters the wrong way. After announcing the results on Saturday, he proclaimed that Washington County’s votes would not count, infuriating Paul supporters.
But the clerical error in tabulating initial results has been perhaps the most serious charge against his leadership.
“What I tell people is that I’m not going to fire my staff because they make clerical errors,” he said. “My poor staffer is in tears, because people are harassing her.” (RELATED: Maine GOP to consider counting late caucus votes)
Webster maintains that Paul should call it quits in Maine, saying that achieving a 200-vote margin of victory in Washington County — where only 113 voters cast ballots in the 2008 GOP race — “isn’t humanly possible.”
Asked if anyone has access to the updated results, which he said show Romney with a greater lead after vote adjustments, Webster said absolutely not.
“No one has access,” he said. “There will be no access. We will give it to the committee on March 10. We are not going to release them. People can whine and complain and plead, but I’m not going to make them public.”
Webster said that all he wants is for the “press feeding frenzy” to end. “I’m not going to restart the fire” by releasing the updated results, he said.
What an epic fail...
no. no chance. zero.What if he has 3/4 of the delagates ??
What if there's a brokered convention and the effort to shun Ron Paul gets totally exposed ??
What if he then runs as a third party candidate between the lame duck Obama and the broken and fraudulent repugnacan party...
Could he not win ??
anybody who thinks otherwise does not understand American politics. for better or worse...
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Exactly....
But they won't accept it.
It's like if a bunch of loons from the left said Nader could win the Dem nom....
I think more and more people are desperate to change American politics for the better. If we don't we are heading for more wars that could possibly spark World War 3 and a revolution here. It's business as usual when people don't feel threatened and they have a home and a job. When that changes the dynamic changes. This election will decide a lot about the future of this country and a lot of people know that.
"Loon Power!!!"
Don't be so hard on yourself!
Maine is now recounting their votes and will release new totals tomorrow. Washington County votes Saturday. The Paul campaign is pushing for a very large turnout there. We'll see how well that goes.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72989.htmlMaine GOP recounting caucus votes
By TIM MAK | 2/16/12 2:48 PM EST Updated: 2/16/12 4:27 PM EST
The Maine Republican Party, under fire from Ron Paul supporters for its mishandling of the state’s recent caucuses, is now re-canvassing counties and municipalities to recount vote totals.
POLITICO obtained an email from the State Republican Party asking local chairmen to send them the vote totals from their local straw polls.
“County Chairman & Town Chairman,” an email written by a state Republican Party staffer reads. “We are reconfirming the totals from the Presidential Preference Straw poll. Can you please EMAIL ME the totals from your towns. For County Chairman if you are emailing the total for your entire county can you please list the towns that are included.”
The letter was forwarded by a longtime Republican activist in Maine.
The Maine Republican Party and its chairman, Charlie Webster, have been under attack in the last week for declaring Mitt Romney of the presidential straw poll in Maine when not all of the state’s caucuses have met to vote yet.
On Saturday, Webster announced that Romney had won the presidential straw poll. Romney won the non-binding caucuses by just three points, 39 percent to Ron Paul’s 36 percent. Less than 200 votes separated the totals of Romney and second-place finisher Ron Paul.
Several localities were not included in the presidential straw poll, including Washington County, where the caucuses were cancelled for the reason of inclement weather. Others municipalities had local caucuses scheduled for after Webster’s announcement.
Washington County is expected to caucus this coming Saturday.
Webster told POLITICO on Saturday that although the Maine caucuses were scheduled for Feb. 4 to Feb. 11, he had no ability to tell local groups when to caucus. He estimated there are 505 municipalities in Maine, of which 420 have caucused. An additional 40 or so small municipalities will not hold a caucus at all, and the remaining would caucus after his announcement.
Ron Paul’s campaign called the exclusion of Washington County’s results “inexplicable” on election night.
“Paul performed well throughout the state, although his campaign’s stronghold of Washington County did not report today for inexplicable reasons,” according to a statement released by the campaign.
The campaign released a second, more scathing email to supporters later on that evening.
“In Washington County – where Ron Paul was incredibly strong – the caucus was delayed until next week just so the votes wouldn’t be reported by the national media today. That’s right. A prediction of 3-4 inches – that turned into nothing more than a dusting – was enough for a local GOP official to postpone the caucuses just so the results wouldn’t be reported tonight,” read the statement.
“Just the votes of Washington County would have been enough to put us over the top. This is an outrage. But our campaign is in this race to win, and will stay in it to the very end,” it continued.
It remains to be seen whether the results in Washington County would lean towards Paul’s favor. In addition, only 118 votes were cast in the county in 2008 - not enough to make up the difference between Romney and Paul if a similar number of voters showed up to caucus.
Neither state chair Charlie Webster nor the staffer who wrote the email immediately responded to a request for comment on Thursday.
That would be an AWESOME bumper sticker...
Paul will win Maine.....
And it will matter fuck all......
That doesn't mean he has a magic wand up his ass that can circumvent strategic realities. How fast do you think Paul would have been able to withdraw Americans from Iraq? If you say an answer in anything less than inn terms of months, you'd have no idea what you were talking about...
Secondly, Obama never said anything about withdrawing from Afghanistan, I think he in fact ran on the mantra that that was the "real" war and where we were attacked from...
He made a request based on empty benchmarks agreements made years ago. In fact, Obama wanted U.S. troops out as fast as feably possible to reduce their vulnerability to Iranian operations...He made the request to keep troops over there beyond the agreed upon withdrawal date and was told no. Thus, he did not affect a complete withdrawal because he wanted to, he affected it because he had no choice.
They did. British, French, and Italian pilots flew the vast majority of combat missions while we provided logistics and ammo...So let Britain, France and Italy do it. I suppose I should be surprised and grateful that he didn't pre-emptively compromise with them and decide to run the whole campaign with just the US.
And FUCK Qadouchebag! I hope he's being ass-raped in hell! He murdered people on the Pan Am Fl 103 in addition to his own people he was using heavy weapons on...
Because they were fucking hypocrite assholes?And why did they want to fly airliners into our skyscrapers again?
We're not, not for much longer. But I think we went there having something to do with the former gov't sheltering wealthy terrorist murders. What was created after that was largely the fault of the previous regime that ignored Afghanistan in favor of their obsession for Iraq's oil....Why are we fighting and dying for these people again? Why are we bankrupting ourselves for them?
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There is no doubt in my mind that Obama really really wanted to shut Guantanamo. It goes against everything he believed in and failing made him look terrible. That was a policy without a huge amount of lobby groups involved and irrelevant costs.
The fact that a president can't do something as straightforward as that should make people who think that a president could radically change anything think again.
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I was wondering when you'd come in here to condescend again...Paul will win Maine.....
And it will matter fuck all......
For the record, I agree with you. It's a beauty contest. Maine, like all the other caucus states (except Nevada), has not pledged any delegates to any candidate at a state level. But again, the Paul campaign believes from the precinct delegates that it has been in touch with that it should pick up many of the delegates from this state as well... probably more than it would have received if the straw poll had been binding ... again
I seem to recall people making the reverse argument when Bush was President... that someone could drag the country into multiple wars like he did spoke to the President having too much power. Just goes to show ... it's not the office, it's the man in the office that really sets the tone.
I'll let Obama answer that question. That would have been mid 2009 by the promises.
and I'll cite wikipedia to back up my original point.
Highlight done by me (not in wikipedia). Here's the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdra...oops_from_IraqWith the collapse of the discussions about extending the stay of any U.S. troops, on 21 October 2011, President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq as scheduled before. The U.S. will retain an embassy in Baghdad and two consulates with around 4,000 to 5,000 State Department employees. President Obama and al-Maliki outlined a broad agenda for post-war cooperation without American troops in Iraq during a joint press conference on 12 December 2011 at the White House. This agenda includes cooperation on energy, trade and education as well as cooperation in security, counter-terrorism, economic development and strengthening Iraq's institutions. Both leaders said their countries will maintain strong security, diplomatic and economic ties after the last U.S. combat forces withdraw at the end of 2011.
to the tune of nearly a billion dollars... but ... what's another drop in the bucketHe made a request based on empty benchmarks agreements made years ago. In fact, Obama wanted U.S. troops out as fast as feably possible to reduce their vulnerability to Iranian operations...
They did. British, French, and Italian pilots flew the vast majority of combat missions while we provided logistics and ammo...
And FUCK Qadouchebag! I hope he's being ass-raped in hell! He murdered people on the Pan Am Fl 103 in addition to his own people he was using heavy weapons on...
Because they were fucking hypocrite assholes?
we kicked that government out over 10 years ago ... there is no reason to stay over there. If that country wants to defend itself and its government, they should have started doing so a long time ago. The question should have been asked a long time ago: how long is too long?We're not, not for much longer. But I think we went there having something to do with the former gov't sheltering wealthy terrorist murders. What was created after that was largely the fault of the previous regime that ignored Afghanistan in favor of their obsession for Iraq's oil....
Semantics...
Who cares? He gave an advanced time table, but he still withdrew troops. Secondly, by the time Obama became President, U.S. troops were no longer directly involved in combat operations instead focusing in supporting the Iraqis.
But then again, we'll never know how Ron Paul would have been bitch slapped by the Pentagon brass had he tried to enact his delusional insta-pullout, which never would have happened...
Don't forget the savings in oil, though, and the possibilities of new markets and a democratic Libya...to the tune of nearly a billion dollars... but ... what's another drop in the bucket
Why don't you answer your own question? What would Paul do?
Those weren't the easy options Obama inherited...we kicked that government out over 10 years ago ... there is no reason to stay over there. If that country wants to defend itself and its government, they should have started doing so a long time ago. The question should have been asked a long time ago: how long is too long?
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