ron paul=awesome/kickass?

[ELVIS]

So how is my statement incorrect?

Your last one was correct...

[LoungeMachine]

And the Campaign to continue the current corrupt war mongering, nation building, one world government status quo is Obama, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum...

Please tell me how Obama is war mongering and nation building, Swamp Boy.



Without linking Fox, Drudge, or Washington Times

[LoungeMachine]

That's incorrect...

No, it is not

[LoungeMachine]

Anyway, my point regarding liberty is that we as Americans need to face the truth and stop this illegal war mongering bullshit...

So the 8 years of BushCO where WE were saying this, and YOU were calling us every name in the book and telling us how wrong we were was what?



Time to drain the swamp.

[sadaist]

U.S. Congress hasn't declared war since World War II.....

Isn't that a total trip to everyone? Look how many "wars" we've had in the last 70 years and never been officially at war. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan all whoppers of wars. And a slew of others. Non-stop practically. Fucking crazy.


Ron Paul understands this.

[LoungeMachine]

Isn't that a total trip to everyone? Look how many "wars" we've had in the last 70 years and never been officially at war. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan all whoppers of wars. And a slew of others. Non-stop practically. Fucking crazy.


Ron Paul understands this.

And I LOVE Ru Paul's foreign policy......



But after that, he goes off the rails into crazy old coot territory.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Isn't that a total trip to everyone? Look how many "wars" we've had in the last 70 years and never been officially at war. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan all whoppers of wars. And a slew of others. Non-stop practically. Fucking crazy.


Ron Paul understands this.

Quite frankly, we might not EVER see Congress declare war again...

Couldn't do it after 9/11....

The only possibilities, if at all, are if either Iran or North Korea were to do something, and even that would have to be pretty major event...

For example, if Iran fired missiles at a Navy ship in the Strait of Hormuz.... Would that provoke a Congressional declaration of war? I really doubt it, unless Iran continued to escalate it....

And for North Korea, it would have to be a massive invasion of the South....

[ELVIS]

So the 8 years of BushCO where WE were saying this, and YOU were calling us every name in the book and telling us how wrong we were was what?

Me looking into it and changing my mind...

I initially bought into the war on terror bullshit and I was wrong...

Asshole...

[ELVIS]

Please tell me how Obama is war mongering and nation building, Swamp Boy.



Without linking Fox, Drudge, or Washington Times

By continuing the war in Iraq with troops until recently. By keeping countless military industrial contractors there building God knows what and sucking off the taxpayer...

Pretending to conduct a humanitarian peace mission in Lybia while killing Gaddafi over oil...

By killing Anwar al-Awlaki with no due process...

Saber rattling at Iran over a Nuke lie when we know it's about Oil...

And continuing the oil and poppy seed war in Afghanistan...

Did I miss anything LoungeMistake ??

[Dr. Love]

Quite frankly, we might not EVER see Congress declare war again...

Couldn't do it after 9/11....

The only possibilities, if at all, are if either Iran or North Korea were to do something, and even that would have to be pretty major event...

For example, if Iran fired missiles at a Navy ship in the Strait of Hormuz.... Would that provoke a Congressional declaration of war? I really doubt it, unless Iran continued to escalate it....

And for North Korea, it would have to be a massive invasion of the South....

Don't you think we shouldn't go to war unless the whole country is behind the action and pushes the Congress to declare? Why should 1 man be able to decide for everyone in the nation if we should invade another country and spend years fighting them?

[Nitro Express]

Don't you think we shouldn't go to war unless the whole country is behind the action and pushes the Congress to declare? Why should 1 man be able to decide for everyone in the nation if we should invade another country and spend years fighting them?

That is the way it's in the supreme law of the land. Only congress can declare war. The president is the commander in chief head of the military machine but he does not have the power to declare war. So what has happened in the last 50 years is the executive branch has continued to break the law until the public thinks its the law using all kinds of excuses to justify it.

Why the law is written this way is it's the citizens who will get their blood spilled in a war and not the president. The congress has to answer to the the people in their home states and districts. Also it keeps one hot head from doing something stupid.

The US continues to run 800 military bases overseas and is fighting wars on multiple fronts. The only way to finance this mess is to print more money out of the Federal Reserve and then saddle the public with enough of the debt to create the illusion that the debt is legitimate. It's nothing more than one big deadly ponzi scheme with a few contractors getting rich. It's also a convienient red herring to take the public's attention off the politicians domestic failures. Supposedly there is this big boogie man that is going to get us unless we invade multiple countries and pay for this huge bloated military machine when in reality, the government leaves our borders wide open. It's almost like they are hoping a real terrorist attacks happen so they can declare martial law and with the new illegal powers they have given themselves they have all the ducks in a row.

I think it's all one grand scam to take everything over before the American pubic wake up and realize they have been sold a bunch of shit over all these years. It's nothing more than a bunch of desperate has beens trying to stay in power even while their whole house of cards is falling apart.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Don't you think we shouldn't go to war unless the whole country is behind the action and pushes the Congress to declare? Why should 1 man be able to decide for everyone in the nation if we should invade another country and spend years fighting them?

Yes, of course I agree with that....

[Dr. Love]

That is the way it's in the supreme law of the land. Only congress can declare war. The president is the commander in chief head of the military machine but he does not have the power to declare war. So what has happened in the last 50 years is the executive branch has continued to break the law until the public thinks its the law using all kinds of excuses to justify it.

Why the law is written this way is it's the citizens who will get their blood spilled in a war and not the president. The congress has to answer to the the people in their home states and districts. Also it keeps one hot head from doing something stupid.

The US continues to run 800 military bases overseas and is fighting wars on multiple fronts. The only way to finance this mess is to print more money out of the Federal Reserve and then saddle the public with enough of the debt to create the illusion that the debt is legitimate. It's nothing more than one big deadly ponzi scheme with a few contractors getting rich. It's also a convienient red herring to take the public's attention off the politicians domestic failures. Supposedly there is this big boogie man that is going to get us unless we invade multiple countries and pay for this huge bloated military machine when in reality, the government leaves our borders wide open. It's almost like they are hoping a real terrorist attacks happen so they can declare martial law and with the new illegal powers they have given themselves they have all the ducks in a row.

I think it's all one grand scam to take everything over before the American pubic wake up and realize they have been sold a bunch of shit over all these years. It's nothing more than a bunch of desperate has beens trying to stay in power even while their whole house of cards is falling apart.

That's why it's important to support someone like Ron Paul when they stand up, apart from everyone on the right AND the left, and support their drive to push this country back onto the right course.

His domestic agenda aside (which has to be cleared with Congress), he would have the unilateral power to scale back our foreign involvement to the right levels.

[LoungeMachine]

His domestic agenda aside

.

Wow.



That's a might big...ahem..."aside"

[Dr. Love]

The domestic agenda is set by the Congress. A President like Paul would only be able to do what the Congress and the people would authorize. You know that.