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    Former Obama backers now supporting Ron Paul

    THE SEATTLE TIMES | Elizabeth Hunter | March 2, 2012

    William Knight is 26, lives in Seattle and voted for Barack Obama in 2008. In demography and geography, he embodied the Obama youth movement.

    Now, as Washington Republicans hold their presidential caucuses on Saturday, Wright has a new political hero: Ron Paul.


    He's among a group of voters nationwide who went for Obama four years ago and now support Paul. They've been dubbed Blue Republicans by organizer and blogger Robin Koerner, of Seattle, who also backs the Texas congressman.

    Koerner is a British expatriate looking to become a U.S. citizen in the next few years. He says Blue Republicans are concerned with what they see as an erosion of civil liberties and the continuation of costly overseas wars. They voted for Obama because they believed he would end the wars and repeal the Patriot Act while focusing on creating economic opportunity in America.

    It's impossible to say how many people consider themselves Blue Republicans, but the group's Facebook page has 10,900 "likes."

    Knight says he was an "uninformed voter" when he backed Obama four years ago.

    "I believe I had an emotional reaction to a 'monumental' election and was swept away in agreement with liberal ideas just because they seemed to be well-intentioned," he said in an email.

    He said the continued U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and other countries is the No. 1 reason he is switching his vote. Obama has effectively ended combat operations in Iraq, but there are still over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan.

    "Some people call Ron Paul's foreign policy 'isolationist' to make it sound negative," said Knight, who will attend Saturday's caucuses. "But I just see it as a way to end the wars and stop the unnecessary violence."

    Also, Knight and a number of these Blue Republicans were outraged by the passage of the National Defense Authorization Act, which contains a clause that allows terrorist suspects to be detained indefinitely.

    Blue Republicans see this position as unconstitutional.

    Beyond dissatisfaction with the current administration, most of the new Paul supporters have embraced him as the ultimate alternative, neither neoconservative Republican nor liberal Democrat.

    Paul emphasizes traditionally Republican views on states' rights, fiscal conservatism and opposition to abortion, as well as a noninterventionist foreign polity and personal liberty. He'd also return the U.S. to the gold standard, eliminate the Internal Revenue Service and do away with Environmental Protection Agency.

    Seattle resident Jennifer Willoughby says she wishes she had known more about Paul in 2008.

    As a self-professed social liberal, her views conflict with Paul on several matters, but more important to her is that she thinks he will end the wars and stop torture, which she said she thought Obama would do.

    Voters who have moved from Obama to Paul often emphasize their admiration for Paul as a candidate and as a citizen.

    "He's a teacher. He has inspired me to learn more about my country's politics, and to get involved more on a local level," said Knight, who has joined phone banks and participated in training for Saturday's GOP caucuses.

    But what will these Blue Republicans do if Paul doesn't get the nomination?

    Willoughby says she doesn't know, but she thinks her husband, also a Paul supporter, simply won't vote at all.

    Koerner mentioned the nonpartisan, nonprofit group Americans Elect, which aims to provide an online place for voters to "directly nominate" a candidate for president, as a way for Paul supporters to capitalize on the current momentum.

    Knight says he would write in Paul.

    None of the three said they would vote for Obama.
    Time to vote for change, not an echo
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  7. Thanked Dr. Love for this KICKASS post:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    If we're going to have Messianic cult spam, I prefer this guy:
    That's fuckin' stupid...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    To me Jack Hunter is a cool guy, we share much of the same tastes in music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Obama needs a primary challenger

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    that one is for you, kwame and knuckleboner

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    Party officials turned at least 1,500 away from Wash. caucus
    More from Tri-City Herald's Michelle Dupler on the overflow crowd at the Washington caucus in Kennewick:

    Benton County Republican Party members who organized the caucuses said they estimated 2,000 people would show up at the Three Rivers Convention Center in Kennewick, where most of the county's precincts caucused on Saturday.

    But their jaws dropped when they saw an estimated 3,000 people packed into the convention center's hallways and spilling outside.

    "We where overwhelmed," said Tony Benegas, who ran the Kennewick caucuses. "It's tough because it's all volunteers — nobody gets paid to do this."

    Benegas said it quickly became apparent there weren't enough volunteers to check everyone in — which in most cases involved looking up their voter registration on a list provided by the county auditor and helping them find their precinct number, and that the rooms they booked were filled to capacity.

    And the party was under pressure to finish by 11:30 so that results could be tabulated and turned over to the state party.

    "We did pull the leadership aside and said, 'What are we going to do?'" Benegas said.

    The only choice apparent was to close the doors and turn an estimated 1,500 people away, he said.

    "I am extremely sorry we could not accommodate everyone," he said. "I apologize to those folks who we had to turn away. We fit in as many as we could, but we had more than we could physically fit in the rooms."
    http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/washing...sh-caucus.html

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    The reason Obama won the last election was the citizens in general were sick and tired of politics as usual. Barry had some nice illusion to sell. He looked different, his name was different, he was young and seemed to be full of new ideas. The swing voters figured might as well give this guy a shot because nothing could already be worse than two terms of Bush. All those advantages are gone now. The boy wonder has proven he is nothing more than a talented illusion master hired by the same old corporate/banking establishment.

    I think what people have wised up to is the media is owned and in on the scam. Obama gets all the media he wants as do the establishment Republicans. Ron Paul has always been shunned by the media and they only now reluctantly cover him because he is so popular with the grassroots. So what we are seeing is a big obvious disconnect between the public in general and this media driven fantasy world. Look at the banking and politics today, it's all pure fantasy. It's a illusion bubble and most people don't live there. I think this will be the failure and the end of politics and banking as usual. The only question is how much damage will be caused before it's fully purged and what replaces it.
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    I just don't understand how anyone can stand for this


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    Looks like a lot of dirty trails are leading back to Tiny Tim Geither. The transfer of a huge sum of money into HSBC from the Federal Reserve Bank was a addressed in The House of Lord's in the UK. They had an actual document with Tim Geithner's signature and Alan Greenspan's signature on it. Of course none of the legal protocols for a transfer of such money were followed and the British government is investigating the matter. Also, a source in Taiwan is fingering Geithner for right out theft. So this guy is in trouble worldwide and it looks like his house of cards is falling. I think as this thing unravels we are going to see some big named people hit the skids. It's looks like The Federal Reserve system and participating banks worldwide were all part of a huge international theft ring and money laundering scam literally stealing trillions of dollars and making more out of thin air. It has compromised the whole western banking system and the world economy Interesting enough some heavy hitters at the United Nations also were participants in this fraud and they used diplomatic immunity to move bonds and other assets past customs officials.

    I mean these guys probably would have gotten away with this if the amounts they stole were smaller. The thing is they got greedy and couldn't control the individuals below them in all the separate banks. Everyone went crazy. They hoped to make money on the bubble, crash everything and then come in and buy things up cheap. The thing is they just plain got too arrogant, greedy, and sloppy and all the damage finally woke up a public that didn't care and were asleep. All they have now is some bought off politicians who are widely unpopular and the media. Since this story got aired they might be losing control of the media now.

    All I can say is enjoy the unraveling of all this. We will probably see the bank owned politicians pass more crazy unconstitutional laws threatening to arrest us citizens for paying attention to this or discussing it with each other. I say we throw them all in jail for treason because all of them swore an oath to uphold the constitution and they are violating it to try and save their own asses.
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    I'm going to post this, and I wish you guys would read it because it is truly alarming. It's about how money is created in our country, and how the nuts and bolts work.

    Alas, I believe most of you won't read it, because it's long, and dry. I'll highlight some of it in red. I hope you at least read those parts.

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    “All the perplexities, confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in their constitution or confederation, not from a want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” – John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson (1787-08-25), The Works of John Adams
    “If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon.” - Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, 1934 foreword to 100% Money, by Irving Fisher. Fisher was a Yale economist whose proposal for monetary reform lost to Keynes’ deficit spending plan during the Great Depression.
    Without knowing how money is created and managed, all other topics concerning money are out of context. This is crucial: regarding trillions of dollars of economic power, you have no idea where money comes from.

    It’s time for you to learn.

    I teach Advanced Placement (AP) Macroeconomics. The following is what I provide to students, AP colleagues, and non-controversial in its first four points of content. While textbook economics provides the information of what we have as a monetary system, citizens need to take the last step to see for themselves what the private banks that own the Federal Reserve will never admit: their monetary system provides parasitic profits to leading Wall Street banks, bailouts in the trillions, and that an honest cost-benefit analysis proves their system should immediately be retired and replaced.

    When people don’t know how money is created and managed, the only thing between them and tyranny is trust in ethical government. American democracy is founded upon cautious distrust of government. To compensate for temptations of power and personal profit in government, the US Constitution is designed with checks and balances. However, because checks and balances can be thwarted if politicians are unethical, the only real protection of liberty is citizen responsibility. American democracy is dependent upon our taking personal responsibility for understanding our most important economic and political issues. This is one of them.

    A mere demarcation on parchment of the constitutional limits (of government) is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments which lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same hands.” - James Madison, Federalist Paper #48, 1788 (more here)
    “Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people. From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare they have become the tools of corrupt interests, which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics, is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.” - Theodore Roosevelt, "The Progressive Covenant With The People" speech (August, 1912)
    Many Americans believe in the US without understanding our major economic and government policies. Collectively, American’s trust in our government to ethically create and manage money is so pervasive that few of us ever give this multi-trillion dollar issue a moment’s thought. As a teacher of economics, I hope this brief is helpful for your responsible citizenry.

    There are five topics to understand for civic competence in creating and managing money. The first four are standard to economics curriculum; the last is rational analysis. Points 1-3 are below, 4-5 in Part 2 of the article:

    1. Money and bank credit.
    2. Fractional reserve banking.
    3. Debt (public and private) and money supply.
    4. Historical struggle between government-issued money and private bank-issued credit.
    5. Cost-benefit analysis for monetary reform in your world of the present.

    I promise you can easily understand each topic and that your understanding will give you an informed policy voice over trillions of dollars. I encourage you to verify and supplement the information in this paper through additional research. My experience as a teacher is that the best tool to visualize this information is to literally see it through an online 78-minute video, “Money As Debt II: Promises Unleashed” (and for your use: background and transcript of Money as Debt). Four other sources of information that I recommend: an excellent overview of our monetary system from Want to Know.info, incisive articles from the most-read authors on this topic, Ellen Brown and Stephen Zarlenga, and the most-viewed documentary, Zeitgeist: Addendum.

    “The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled.”

    – John Kenneth Galbraith, Money: Whence it came, where it went (1975), p.29. Galbraith wrote five best-selling books on economics (best-selling to the public), was President of the American Economic Association, economics professor at Harvard, and advisor to four US Presidents.
    Please be advised that the ideas most people have about how money is created and managed are false. Because the facts are so different from what most people believe, cognitive dissonance will push some people to reject the facts. Please reaffirm your commitment to embrace the facts.

    Here we go:

    Money and Bank Credit:

    "A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom. This is the greatest question of all, and to this statesmen must address themselves with an earnest determination to serve the long future and the true liberties of men." - President Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom, Section VIII: “Monopoly, Or Opportunity?”, p. 185.
    “I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the Bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the Bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out and, by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out.” - From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson, February 1834, according to Stan V. Henkels, Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States, 1928
    Money is broadly defined as anything generally accepted for trade. However, in the real world something is money only when the government authorizes it as “legal tender.” Its purpose is to facilitate trade. Fiat money (not exchangeable for a commodity that “backs” the currency) is all that’s required for this purpose because the government enforces its acceptance as payment. Commodity money is the attachment of money to a thing, like gold or silver. This is not needed for legal enforcement and introduces fluctuation as the value of the attached commodity changes. If you’re aware of the violent swings of the price of gold, you’ll understand the risk of a wildly fluctuating value of commodity money. Its proponents, like my friend Ron Paul, argue that linkage to a thing of limited quantity is an acceptable tradeoff compared to their prediction of inevitable corruption of any system designed to limit the supply of fiat currency.

    Bank credit is the legal power government has given banks to create quasi-money out of nothing and lend it to the public at interest. Your deposits to a bank are loans to them. The bank can legally take a percentage of your deposit (90 to really 100% through clever manipulations of regulations) and create new credit to lend to the public at interest. They are not lending your deposit, as most people envision. They are making the new credit out of thin air! Bank credit increases the supply of money, causes inflation (by definition as the supply increases), and devalues the money already possessed by the public. Inflation is a hidden tax on your money because purchasing power decreases with inflation. The banking industry benefits from this policy of creating credit out of nothing and lending it to us at interest, while the public has the costs of paying banks to “so-called borrow” credit at interest while existing money is devalued. I use the term “so-called borrow” because the loan wasn’t something possessed by the bank. The loan was created out of nothing when you asked for the loan. This can be difficult to grasp. Watching “Money As Debt II” will walk you through the process.

    The fact that banks create credit out of thin air is verified by the Federal Reserve’s Publication, “Modern Money Mechanics.”[1] Excerpts:

    “The purpose of this booklet is to describe the basic process of money creation in a ‘fractional reserve’ banking system…The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks.”

    “[Banks] do not really pay out loans from the money they receive as deposits. If they did this, no additional money would be created. What they do when they make loans is to accept promissory notes in exchange for credits to the borrower’ transaction accounts. Loans (assets) and deposits (liabilities) both rise by [the amount of the "loan"]."

    When you understand the power of creating credit out of nothing, your mind will probably take the next logical step: why don’t we create money out of nothing to pay for public goods and services directly rather than surrender this awesome power to the banks? You’ll begin to realize: isn’t it insane for a government that has the Constitutional authority to create money to not do so when we have unemployed workers, work that needs to be done, and the resources to do the work???

    Fractional Reserve Banking:

    “This proposal will of course be opposed by the bankers from whom it takes the lucrative privilege of creating purchasing power. It would however insure the safety of deposits, give large revenues to the government, provide complete social control over monetary matters and prevent abnormal fluctuations in the capital market. At the same time it would permit the allocation of productive resources…to remain primarily in private hands. All in all it seems the most promising program for the reform of our monetary and credit system…” – Paul Douglas in the Chicago Plan booklet. The Great Depression in the US (1929-1941) motivated professional economists to comprehensively and creatively address its causes. Upon consideration of previous US economic depressions in 1837, 1873, and 1893, prominent economists led by Henry Simons at the University of Chicago proposed monetary reform as the nation’s most effective and practical policy response, known as the Chicago Plan (and here). This proposal was endorsed by Simons’ colleague, Paul Douglas, Frank Graham and Charles Whittlesley of Princeton, Irving Fisher of Yale, Earl Hamilton of Duke, Willford King of NYU, and sent to a thousand academic economists for their input. Three hundred twenty responded to the mailed proposal and survey (an impressively high number for a cold-call proposal and survey) from 157 universities, with 73% in full agreement with the proposal, 12.5% in approval with various considerations in its implementation, and only 14% in disagreement. The proposal ended fractional reserve banking and replaced it with government-created money with no debt or interest cost.
    “The bankers will favor a course of special legislation to increase their power…They will never cease to ask for more, …so long as there is more that can be wrung from the toiling masses of the American People…The struggle with this money power has been going on from the beginning of the history of this country.” – Peter Cooper, famous American inventor in his letter to President Hayes, June 1, 1877.
    This is the term for how banks and the banking industry create credit. An individual bank creates credit and “so-called lends” it to the public as a fraction of the deposits the public puts in the bank. Because the money so-called lent ends up in another bank that then so-called lends the money again, the effect in the overall economy is a multiplier effect rather than an individual bank phenomenon of a fraction. It works like this: the definition of “fractional reserve banking” is that banks keep a regulated “fraction” of their total deposits “on reserve,” called their reserve ration (RR) that they cannot “lend,” and can create new credit out of thin air up to the total of all their customers’ deposits minus their RR. Again, because my teaching experience agrees with John Kenneth Galbraith’s quote above that this is difficult to grasp: once a bank is established, they must hold a percentage (ratio) of their total deposits “on reserve” that is not leant to customers. This rate is set by the Federal Reserve (Fed), 10% for established banks and less for smaller ones (however, banks get around these limits and will always make credit on terms profitable to the bank).

    This means that if you deposit money into your bank, they can then create credit up to their limit in new “loans.” If you deposit $100, the bank can create new/thin-air credit of $90 to anyone asking for a loan. That’s the micro picture.

    The macro picture is that the new credit then circulates to other banks and is “re-leant” at 90% and so on. Let’s say that someone borrows the $90 from your bank, purchases something, and then the $90 ends up deposited in another bank. The receiving bank can create credit, let’s say 90% of up to $81 in new credit. The injection of increasing the money supply comes from the Federal Reserve. They create money out of nothing and then use it to buy government securities or non-voting shares of banks, etc. If they buy a government bond for $1,000 from money they create out of nothing, this new money increases the money by the formula 1/RR. Assuming a simplified textbook understanding of a RR of 10% of deposits that banks cannot create credit from, in this case of the Fed creating $1,000 the new credit/money multiplied from the banking system is $1000 x 1/10%, or $1000 x 10 = $10,000. This is the macro effect if all receiving banks create credit up to their reserve requirement and all “lend” out the new credit.

    Because the Federal Reserve is owned by the banking industry, this causes a classic conflict of interest: the banking industry’s profit comes from expanding the money supply and then creating credit to “lend” to us at interest. Expanding the money supply is in conflict with the public’s interest to limit the supply of money to guard its value from inflation.

    Some people are confused by the Fed’s ownership. What’s in agreement in all curricula and publications is that the Fed is owned by their member banks; over half the stock is from the New York area (also known as Wall Street banks). Court cases have found in each instance that the Federal Reserve is not a government agency. You cannot find them in a government agency organizational chart in any branch of government. They are listed in the business section of phone books shortly after Federal Express.



    Debt (public and national) and the Money Supply:

    “When our Federal Government, that has the exclusive power to create money, creates that money and then goes into the open market and borrows it and pays interest for the use of its own money, it occurs to me that that is going too far. I have never yet had anyone who could, through the use of logic and reason, justify the Federal Government borrowing the use of its own money... The Constitution of the United States does not give the banks the power to create money. The Constitution says that Congress shall have the power to create money, but now, under our system, we will sell bonds to commercial banks and obtain credit from those banks. I believe the time will come when people will demand that this be changed. I believe the time will come in this country when they will actually blame you and me and everyone else connected with this Congress for sitting idly by and permitting such an idiotic system to continue. I make that statement after years of study.” - Wright Patman: excerpts from September 29, 1941, as reported in the Congressional Record of the House of Representatives (pages 7582-7583).
    One of the most astounding facts about our American life is that the wealth and property of the country and the control of the machinery of government are in the hands of less than 2 per cent of the inhabitants. That is to say, a small group of excessively wealthy individuals, members of the Republican and Democratic Parties alike, have, through the exercise of powerful, sinister and, too often, unlawful influence, usurped the government and seized public property on such a wholesale scale that they have become the virtual dictators of the destinies of more than 110,000,000 people (the US population at the time). That is a situation which, to my mind, constitutes the greatest menace to the safety of our republic.

    A small group of international bankers and money lenders, public utility exploiters and tariff beneficiaries have actually dictated nominations for offices up to the Presidency. They have placed the slickest, cleverest, and most cunning manipulators in official positions, even in the minor posts, where they could be of service when called upon by the invisible power which, utterly devoid of all humanity, seeks but to wallow in riches.

    ... Woe to the public officials who dare to resent their dictatorship! If there be such public officials who will not submit to their imperious dictation, then the flood-gates of lying press propaganda are released, sweeping the unhappy public servant to an earthly as well as political grave, or compelling him to compromise with his conscience and become their subservient tool to the end of his term.” - New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922 (his office was a half-mile from the New York Stock Exchange)
    When banks “lend” credit, the interest charge can double the amount the customer must repay. Through fractional reserve banking, only the amount leant is created (principle) but not the interest. Because our US money is only created as debt in our current monetary system, and the interest is never created, we can now explain some extraordinary but predictable outcomes. Money is debt, created out of thin air by private banks, and then “leant” to us to repay at interest. The debt will always be greater than the money supply. It’s impossible to ever repay total debt; we are in debt forever in this monetary system. Please let this important fact have a place of honor in your understanding and think through it’s implications in our economy.

    In fact, when you understand the mechanics, the engineering, the proper terms to understand what we have shift in Orwellian degree:

    The US does not have a “money supply,” but a “debt supply.”
    What we call “money” is actually “debt.”
    To put the significance of this understanding in numbers, the total debt of the US public is currently over $50 trillion.[2] The total US money supply is somewhere around $13-15 trillion.[3] We don’t know the exact amount anymore because the Federal Reserve stopped publishing that figure in 2006, claiming it was unimportant and “too expensive to tabulate and print.” This decision was made without consultation from Congress or opportunity for comment from professional economists or the public. Critics responded that this number is among the most important because inflation is a function of the money supply, tabulating its cost is negligible, and not keeping track of the total money supply is potentially crippling to our overall economy through the risk of inflation. Critics suspect that the Fed is hiding how much they’re increasing the money supply.[4]

    The Fed is privately-owned by the banking industry with their meetings closed to Congress and the public. The purpose of all business is to maximize their own profit with limited interest in the public good. The Fed is only audited by giving their accounting books to an independent firm to verify their math is correct in the books. Because the Fed is not strictly and transparently regulated by Congress, we have to trust the Fed that the numbers on their books are accurate. As I’ve gently suggested, trusting people in positions of power is un-American from the view of the Founding Fathers. The only “oversight” from Congress is semi-annual interviews for questions and answers with the Chair of the Federal Reserve. Presidents appoints the seven Board of Governors to help manage the Fed, but historically these selections always come from a short-list of candidates selected by Fed ownership.[5] The term of office for Board members is 14 years. As you may know, Congresspersons Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich had bills to fully audit the Fed (HR 1207 and HR 2424, respectfully) that the Fed is opposing to protect its “independence.”

    Because the Federal Reserve can always create money out of nothing to buy US government securities, the federal government is tempted to increase the national debt rather than operate a balanced budget. The current national debt of over $14 trillion[6] has an annual interest cost to the American taxpayers over $400 billion (with danger of going much higher if interest rates rise).[7] US taxpayers only pay the interest and never pay down the principal of the debt. When the securities are due to be paid, additional securities are sold to cover the cost. There is no government plan to pay the national debt or reduce it rather than vague promises to reduce spending and reduce the debt from higher tax revenue of a strong economy. This rhetoric has no track record of performance since Andrew Jackson enacted partial monetary reform in his administration that ended in 1836.

    Please let that sink-in: we only pay the interest on the debt and actually cannot pay the debt because it’s far larger than the money supply. Of course, you’re now thinking there has to be a more intelligently-designed monetary system, you’re feeling good in your citizenry that you’re reading this article, and are excited to discover a better policy in creating money!

    But let’s allow the costs of our current system to be fully understood to fuel your passion for monetary reform. The interest payment cost of $500 billion every year to Americans is enormous. As we learned in my article, “The economics of ending poverty,” the investment to fund the UN Millennium Goals that would save a million children’s lives every month while decreasing population growth rates is estimated by professional economists from a low of $40 billion/year to a maximum of $150 billion/year at the project’s most expensive phase.[8] This is a ten-year investment, as sustainable and self-funding development is the project’s goal. Even if we wanted to repay the debt, the average cost to the ~100 million American households is about $110,000. We’ll consider alternatives to this monetary system in our cost-benefit section shortly.

    To put this in another perspective, the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) has two buildings, one in Washington, D.C. and one in Fort Worth, Texas. Imagine each building has two halves: both print pretty pieces of paper. In one half, money is printed; in the other half, US Treasury Securities. Securities are mostly T-Bills, Notes, and Bonds; they are auctioned to the public every week as loans to whoever buys them and are repaid with interest. Bills are loans for a year or less, Notes are two to ten years, and Bonds are ten to thirty years. These are mostly all marketable, meaning that they can be resold.

    If Congress wants to buy government programs beyond their tax revenue, they may print and sell as many securities as they wish but cannot get money directly because that is illegal in our current monetary system. If the Fed wants money, they request as much as they wish at the cost of the paper and then charge the taxpayers as an operating expense. Of course, the Fed can also enter money electronically into accounts. We have no way of knowing if the Fed abuses their power to create money by entering money into accounts and not reporting this on their books. The only safeguard the public has is their word that they would never ever create money for themselves, even though that is possible with a few computer keystrokes and undetectable.

    And please let the above facts and risks sink-in.

    For comparison, imagine if your family was a nation with the power to print its own money. I offer to take this job from you with the following spin: I’m a banking expert. Whomever you appoint from your family to create money will combine ignorance with inevitable corruption that will be incapable of managing your family’s money no matter what transparent safeguards you enact. Therefore, I will print money to lend to your family at interest. With your family’s increased education and economic productivity, you can only increase the money supply by additional lending from me. As a “government,” your family need never pay off the loan, only the interest. Your family will work for me in paying the interest, and my family will manage the money to lend to your family. This is fair because printing your own money will lead to your ruin.

    Your family becomes increasingly in debt to me. After decades of this practice, your family doesn’t give this system any thought and whines about the interest payment and debt without taking any action to understand the system and look for alternative structures. This is our Federal Reserve system today.

    Historical struggle between government-issued money and private bank-issued credit:

    “The treasury, lacking confidence in the country, delivered itself bound hand and foot to bold and bankrupt adventurers and bankers pretender to be money-holders, whom it could have crushed at any moment. ...Yet there is no hope of relief from the legislators who have immediate control over this subject. As little seems to be known of the principles of political economy as if nothing had ever been written or practiced on the subject, or as was known in old times, when the (bankers) had their rulers under the hammer. It is an evil, therefore, which we must make up our minds to meet and to endure as those of hurricanes, earthquakes and other casualties: let us turn over therefore another leaf.” – Thomas Jefferson, October 16, 1815 letter to Gallatin. Letters and Addresses, edit. William Parker, (New York: 1905).
    “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson — and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W. (Woodrow Wilson). The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States — only on a far bigger and broader basis.” - Franklin Roosevelt, letter to Col. Edward Mandell House (21 November 1933); as quoted in F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, 1928-1945, edited by Elliott Roosevelt (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1950), pg. 373.
    "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." - Mentor to Bill Clinton and Georgetown University History Professor, Carroll Quigley in Tragedy and Hope.
    As you can imagine, privately-owned banks would love to have the legal right to create and manage a nation’s money. This authority gives a whole new meaning to “taking your work home with you.” For an excellent comprehensive history, watch “The Money Masters” online (made in 1996: among many) and/or read the transcript.[9] Watching “Money As Debt II” will give you a general appreciation of the history, as will the historical quotes at the end of this lesson.

    Watching “Money As Debt II” is important. From my conversations among AP Economics teachers, their reports are in agreement with my experience that students (of all ages) will not be able to understand our monetary system and creation of debt without a walkthrough demonstration. I highly recommend that you watch the beginning of “The Money Masters;” if you like what you learn, keep watching. The entire video is 3.5 hours, so you might want to watch in chapters. A short written parable might also help: The Money Myth Exploded.[10] The bottom-line of the history is a centuries-long struggle of wealthy bankers who have endeavored for the ultimate banking job. In the US, this struggle was won by the banks with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. This allowed for the legal practice of fractional reserve banking and a monetary system of perpetual debt. Let’s consider the alternative envisioned for the Constitution but not included because the debate took so much energy and time at the Constitutional Convention that the members tabled the issue for Congress to resolve later.

    Cost-Benefit Analysis for Monetary Reform:

    "That is to say, under the old way any time we wish to add to the national wealth we are compelled to add to the national debt. Now, that is what Henry Ford wants to prevent. He thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30,000,000 of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66,000,000 -- that is what it amounts to, with interest. ...But here is the point: If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. ...It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30,000,000 in bonds and not $30,000,000 in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer, and the other helps the people.” - Thomas Edison and Henry Ford, interview with NY Times, 1921
    The art and mystery of banks... is established on the principle that 'private debts are a public blessing.' That the evidences of those private debts, called bank notes, become active capital, and aliment the whole commerce, manufactures, and agriculture of the United States. Here are a set of people, for instance, who have bestowed on us the great blessing of running in our debt about two hundred millions of dollars, without our knowing who they are, where they are, or what property they have to pay this debt when called on; nay, who have made us so sensible of the blessings of letting them run in our debt, that we have exempted them by law from the repayment of these debts beyond a give proportion (generally estimated at one-third). And to fill up the measure of blessing, instead of paying, they receive an interest on what they owe from those to whom they owe; for all the notes, or evidences of what they owe, which we see in circulation, have been lent to somebody on an interest which is levied again on us through the medium of commerce." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813. ME 13:420
    Monetary reform would nationalize the Federal Reserve (this name is deceptive so the public would perceive it as a government entity) and retain its use for bank administrative functions. Fractional reserve lending by private banks would be made illegal, with the US Treasury having sole legal authority to issue new money for the benefit of the American public rather than the benefit of the banking industry. About 40% of the national debt is intra-governmental transfers and 10% held by the Fed; this debt would be cancelled as it becomes a bookkeeping entry with nationalization. Of the publicly-held debt of various parties holding US Securities, the US Treasury would monetize (pay) the debt in proportion to fractional reserves being replaced with full reserves over a period of one to two years to monitor money supply and avoid inflation. The American Monetary Institute has a proposal called The American Monetary Act.[11] Ellen Brown has extensive articles, including how states can act now rather than waiting for federal reform.[12]

    The governmental cost of this reform is negligible. The benefits are astounding: the American public would no longer pay over $400 billion every year for national debt interest payments (because 30% of the debt is intra-governmental transfers, this is a savings of ~$300 billion/year). If lending is run at a non-profit rate or at nominal interest returned to the American public (for infrastructure, schools, fire and police protection, etc.) rather than profiting the banks, the savings to the US public is conservatively $500 billion.[13] If the US Federal government increased the money supply by 3% a year to keep up with population increase and economic growth, we could spend an additional $400 billion yearly into public programs or refund it as a public dividend.[14] This savings would allow us to simplify or eliminate the income tax.[15] The estimated savings of eliminating the income tax with all its complexity, loopholes, and evasion is $250 billion/year.[16] The total benefits for monetary reform are conservatively over a trillion dollars every year to the American public. One trillion is $1,000,000,000,000. I invite professional economists and committed citizens to analyze and comment on my observation of costs and benefits.


    To give you an idea of this amount, imagine a new stack of $1 bills. New bills are about 200/inch. Imagine if you laminated bills in a horizontal stack; this would be the same size as a 2x4 board. Now imagine that this board of money was to travel on your nearest freeway. How far would the money-board go to equal $1 trillion? Make your guess, then check the footnote.[17]

    The private sector economic costs of monetary reform are transfers of wealth from the banking industry to the American public. The replacement would be either non-profit banks operating as needed with minimum public cost such as fire departments and the postal service, for-profit banks lending time-deposits in regulated free-market competition, or a hybrid of the two (perhaps with government mortgages at a non-profit rate of 1%).

    Monetary reform stops the current built-in increases of the money supply through fractional reserve banking, and redirects it for direct payment of taxes for public goods and services. Each dollar transferred from bank creation to public benefit is one dollar less in public tax payment.

    Opponents of monetary reform claim that even if government issued money with transparency, any oversight created would be defeated; government would issue too much money and cause inflation. Ron Paul believes that gold should be used as a physical-limit barrier to creating money. Some fear that any change will make things worse. Some also claim that competition for large profits in the banking industry spur innovation that wouldn’t occur in a non-profit design. Improvements such as ATMs, on-line banking, instant purchasing are worth the cost of giving monetary power to the private sector.

    The statutory purposes of the Fed are stable prices, maximum employment, and moderate interest rates. For prices, consider for yourself how well they’ve done since the Fed began in 1913. Ask parents and grandparents if prices have remained stable in their lifetimes or if they’ve increased just a teensy-weensy little bit. You could, of course, also check the data and confirm that the dollar has lost over 95% of its value since the Fed went to work for stable prices.[18]

    For employment, consider that we have unemployed people in this country, resources to put to work, and infrastructure to improve; then judge the Fed’s effectiveness in creating money only as debt. For example, consider in California that 20,000 teachers were scheduled to be laid-off in 2008 and again in 2009 because of government budget cuts.[19] We have the need for teachers, the teachers are available, but we have unemployed teachers because the government must borrow its money to hire them rather than issue money directly. Nationally, the US had over 11 million unemployed workers at the end of 2008,[20] and perhaps up to 30 million at the end of 2009.[21] These millions of individuals are key income earners to a multiple average of 2.5 additional Americans. This unemployment rate puts these Americans livelihoods at risk. This only occurs because money is debt in our current system; we would not have this problem if government restored this Constitutional power and issued money directly. If we were serious about achieving the goal of full employment, OBVIOULSY the only way to achieve it is for government to be the employer of last resort. In market failure of what free-market capitalism cannot employ, we either put people to work on infrastructure/public service jobs or we don’t achieve our goal of full employment. Please ponder that idea to full realization. If the public jobs provided to the unemployed and funded by government-created money provide greater economic benefit than their cost, then inflation will actually decrease from creating those jobs. That is conservative definition of how inflation/deflation works.

    Another angle of minimizing our costs: consider that the US Government Interagency Council on Homelessness has compiled every known study on cost-benefits of housing the homeless and providing food, medical care and job-employment services versus just leaving them on the streets. In every case study the costs are less to take action for their care.[22] Ponder that.

    For interest rates, the non-profit rate of borrowing money is generally considered among economists at 3% in our current inflationary economy caused by fractional reserve banking. With monetary reform, the non-profit rate for a home loan would be less than 1%. Ask yourself if the value added by the banking industry is worth the amount you currently pay above 1%, understanding as you do that your total cost of a home loan has a higher cost of the interest than the principal. That is, you’re paying the banking industry more than your home is worth for them creating credit out of nothing on their bank books.

    If the performance of the Fed is acceptable to you along with its trillion dollar annual cost, feel free to defend it. If you prefer monetary reform, a trillion dollars of benefit every year to the American public will go far to building a brighter future.

    Thank you for your attention to learn how “money” is created in the US - really “credit/debt” in not a “monetary system,” but a “debt system.” If you’d like to read my comprehensive analysis of our economic solutions, try the following three. Importantly, our current system has systemic criminal fraud that must be understood and removed before solutions are possible. The 2011 Academy Award-winning Best Feature Documentary, Inside Job, powerfully makes this clear.

    There is no Science, the Study of which is more useful and commendable than the Knowledge of the true Interest of one's Country; and perhaps there is no Kind of Learning more abstruse and intricate, more difficult to acquire in any Degree of Perfection than This, and therefore none more generally neglected. Hence it is, that we every Day find Men in Conversation contending warmly on some Point in Politicks, which, altho' it may nearly concern them both, neither of them understand any more than they do each other.

    Thus much by way of Apology for this present Enquiry into the Nature and Necessity of a Paper Currency. And if any Thing I shall say, may be a Means of fixing a Subject that is now the chief Concern of my Countrymen, in a clearer Light, I shall have the Satisfaction of thinking my Time and Pains well employed.” – Benjamin Franklin, A Modest Enquiry into the Nature and Necessity of Paper Currency, 1729.
    "The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know." - President Harry Truman: Plain Speaking: An Oral Biography of Harry S. Truman (1974) by Merle Miller, pg. 26.
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    Exactly. I've been saying over and over it's the Federal Reserve Bank that is the number one issue that needs to be dealt with in this country. We have to have an audit. Then we need to separate out the fictional money from the real money and erase the bad money off the books. Fortunately the US Dollar is a currency registered with the Bank of International Settlements and any dollars created were supposed to be registered with the US Treasury Department and the BIS. So the legitimate dollars should have records. I'm sure many trillions of dollars have been created on computers and held in participating banks worldwide. This is what the whole case in the British House of Lords seems to be. Since 90% of the legitimate US Dollars are owned by foreigners this is an issue that has international interest. Nobody wants to see the US Dollar go bye bye or lose it's status so there already is an international effort with various government agencies and even Interpol already investigating what went on. I think more and more will start to surface.

    In short you have two economies in the world. The real economy which is based on real services and goods and the paper economy. What has happened is the paper economy grew much larger than the real economy can support and a few con artists who ruined the paper economy due to speculation and fraud want to stick the loses on the public to keep their scam going indefinately but the problem is, it's already mathmetically failed. You can't have a paper economy larger than $70 trillion because that is the whole gross national product of planet earth. Rumors are the paper economy hidden away in computers worldwide is in the hundreds of trillions of dollars. We truly live in a modern world of make believe. Computers allowed financial fraud to grow to these levels. Before computers this level of fraud was impossible.

    In short, the US central bank and all houses of government in the US went completely rogue and out of control. Now that reality is surfacing. The politicians took their K Street money and voted how the banks told them to and the banks wrote the bills they were voting on.
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    Paul is the ONLY hope for that, Nitro...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I'd frankly be pleased if there were other 30+ page threads in this forum about other candidates that there was passion for ... but all I see is apathy + excuse making for the incumbents. It's disheartening. I can't really think you guys are excited about where we are headed. But I'm disappointed to see there's not any intensity or passion to change things.
    hey, i posted in here earlier why i thought obama was doing a solid job. perfect? no. definitely not. but pretty good, especially given the circumstances.

    the rest of my posts in there are to address what are my personal concerns with some of ron paul's domestic policies. and to debate on the likelihood of his success. though, the knuckleboner would never encourage somebody to abandon support for a candidate because their prospects are dim.
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    I like that Obama is reluctant to strike Iran...

    I'd vote for Obama over Sanatorum for sure, and maybe over Romoney...



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    I won't vote for anyone that is owned by the banks.

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    there's a difference between being owned by the banks and recognizing that at least in the short-term, the banks are important to the economy. i'm not saying obama, or any other politician is at one end of that spectrum, but despite what the bumper sticker accounts state, there IS a spectrum and it's not quite that simple.

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    I don't know what else to call it when his biggest donors are wall street bankers and he has appointed and retained wall street and fed employees. He has been extremely friendly with the people that got us into this, has rewarded them by failing to prosecute (an announcement so far, years after the fact) and by giving them money that they in turn lavish bonuses on their executives with.

    I suppose that is just recognizing the banks are important to the economy.

    I don't know what else to tell you man ... read up on it for yourself, but Obama does not serve the people. Look at what the man has done. At best he is spineless and unwilling to fight, opting for pre-emptive compromise. At worst, he is serving their interests outright.

    There is a clear record of Obama subverting the freedoms and liberties of the people in favor of enriching and empowering the elite. The guy is as bad as GWB in some areas, and worse in others. He gets away with stuff that President Bush NEVER would have gotten away with because the people did not trust him. Obama just slides it through, and pushes us further away from who we are as a people.

    He's the latest in a line of failed Presidents, owned by and serving the powerful. He's just better at snowing the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    there IS a spectrum and it's not quite that simple.
    The banks and the Fed are ripping us off...

    It IS that simple...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    The banks and the Fed are ripping us off...

    It IS that simple...
    The Federal Reserve Bank is owned by the big banks. So essentially they printed their own bailout to the sum of tens of trillions of dollars but to make it seem real they have to stick the US taxpayer with some of it. It's huge fraud. The banks have become so powerful they own the government and their fraud has undermined the whole western banking system.

    They have to have big bailouts due to all the derivatives. With 100 times levrage you can win big but you also can lose big. Another problem even if you win big you have to make those big winnings real somehow. You have to get them into a commercial bank account. This is where they got busted. Tens of trillions of dollars moving into commercial banks without the proper protocols and the huge numbers of money certainly has gotten attention.

    In other words, someone is making a lot of money on computers and they are sticking our country with about three or more centuries of debt to make the counterfit money seem real. They have bought the government with this money and now that government is not following constitutional law and to cover the tracks they seem to want to start more shit like wars as a red herring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I like that Obama is reluctant to strike Iran...

    I'd vote for Obama over Sanatorum for sure, and maybe over Romoney...




    Obama is up for re-election but he's proven he usually does the opposite of what he says. Watch. He will get re-elected and then he makes his move on Iran. The spotlight is shining on his banking buddies too much, they need a shit storm to take the attention off of them. These guys love wars. They make lot's of money and grab more control because of them. They will have the excuse to declare martial law due to Iranian terrorists threats and all that. Wake up. They have been playing this game for ten years.

    Just view these bankers as a bunch of nazis. It's what they basically are. The politicians have no sense of morality, they don't see beyond the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I won't vote for anyone that is owned by the banks.
    What people need to get through their thick skulls is it is all about the banks taking over. In fact, we just need to point out these politicians swore an oath to the US Constitution and if they have dishonored that oath they are impeached from office. Period. We the people need to start enforcing the law because these politicians aren't and if you read the constitution we are the authority and they are just employees. Why we let our employees fuck us up the ass is beyond me. Let's get rid of them and we don't even need an election to do it. We just need to enforce the law. Everyone thinks the magical next candidates will fix things. Remember what they all said about Obama? It's like asking a coyote and a wolf to watch your flock of sheep. Maybe we are past the point of elections even working now and maybe we just need to stop obeying these illegal laws they are passing and stop enabling the fuck heads. Give the power back to the states, let them run themselves for awhile and then we dump a huge amount of toilet cleaner into Washington and flush the shit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I like that Obama is reluctant to strike Iran...

    I'd vote for Obama over Sanatorum for sure, and maybe over Romoney...


    I just fell out of my chair....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Give the power back to the states, let them run themselves for awhile and then we dump a huge amount of toilet cleaner into Washington and flush the shit out.
    For awhile ??

    How 'bout forever ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I just fell out of my chair....
    Drugs are bad, mkay ??



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I won't vote for anyone that is owned by the banks.
    "Owned by the banks." Well, maybe Obama should have nationalized them like some economists called for. Then he REALLY would have been a socialist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Drugs are bad, mkay ??


    But Sierra Nevada American Pale Ale is soooooo good!

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    Never tried it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    For awhile ??

    How 'bout forever ??
    Good point. That was the original plan. All the Federal Government was supposed to do was represent the states in foreign policy, regulate interstate commerce, and defend the states from invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    "Owned by the banks." Well, maybe Obama should have nationalized them like some economists called for. Then he REALLY would have been a socialist...
    Then Ron Paul is a socialist because he want's to put the private Federal Reserve Bank under the control of the US Treasury Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I like that Obama is reluctant to strike Iran...

    I'd vote for Obama over Sanatorum for sure, and maybe over Romoney...


    It's worth remembering that Romney is the guy who came second to McCain who came second to George W.

    It's also kind of interesting that Santorum claims to be the most devout follower of his religion around but rejects a central teaching of the Pope, that the death penalty is wrong.

    I'm not saying you should agree with the Pope on anything or be against the death penalty, but it's interesting how Santorum rejects his own religion when it doesn't suit him.
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