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I went over to the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley. The main reason was to check out the presidential 707 that was used as Air Force One. The Gipper is buried under a lot of concrete. I like to joke that Nancy wanted a lot of concrete over Ron so the Republican Party wouldn't dig him up and parade him around.Originally Posted by LoungeMachine
Younger than McCain in 2008, isn't he?
Fact is, the GOP loves to trot out the Relics.....
If they're breathing, they're leading tends to be the motto.....
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No doubt, nor lack of hope.When in doubt [and out of hope].......
Post cartoons others drew.......
Isn't yours the party of hope?
NDAA
PATRIOT Act extended
HR 347
Military able to assassinate American Citizens
Military able to arrest and hold Americans indefinitely without trial
Drones authorized to patrol American skies
War on Drugs extended to medical marijuana dispenseries
Defends warrantless wiretapping laws
How's that workin' out for you?
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Pretty good, thanksNo doubt, nor lack of hope.
Isn't yours the party of hope?
How's that workin' out for you?
Especially when the alternatives are considered.....
See you in November, my friend........
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Lounge, you have my sympathy.Pretty good, thanks
Especially when the alternatives are considered.....
See you in November, my friend........
It's surprising you didn't like Bush. He was just a lighter-toned Obama.
LoungeMachine (03-13-2012)
And Paul is Nader without the party support.....
No surprise then that Nader supports Ron Paul.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/28/ra...ts-ron-paul-haRalph Nader Hearts Ron Paul, Hails Potential Left-Libertarian Alliance
Matt Welch | September 28, 2011
Michael Tracey, who wrote about restrictive teen-driving laws in the June issue of Reason, catches up with the consumer crusader for The American Conservative:
Looking ahead to the 2012 presidential race, one might assume that Nader has little to be cheerful about.
Yet he says there is one candidate who sticks out—who even gives him hope: Rep. Ron Paul of Texas. [...]
"Look at the latitude," Nader says, referring to the potential for cooperation between libertarians and the left. "Military budget, foreign wars, empire, Patriot Act, corporate welfare—for starters. When you add those all up, that's a foundational convergence. Progressives should do so good."
I thought I'd bring up the subject of Ron Paul with Nader after seeing the two jointly interviewed on Fox Business Channel in January. Nader had caught me off guard when he identified an emergent left-libertarian alliance as "today's most exciting new political dynamic." It was easy to foresee objections that the left might raise: if progressives are in favor of expanding the welfare state, how well can they really get along with folks who go around quoting the likes of Hayek and Rothbard?
"That's strategic sabotage," Nader responds, sharply. "It's an intellectual indulgence....If they're on your side, and you don't compromise your positions, what do you care who they quote? Franklin Delano Roosevelt sided with Stalin against Hitler. Not to draw that analogy, I'm just saying—why did he side with Stalin? Because Stalin went along with everything FDR wanted." [...]
"Libertarians like Ron Paul are on our side on civil liberties. They're on our side against the military-industrial complex. They're on our side against Wall Street. They're on our side for investor rights. That's a foundational convergence," he exhorts. "It's not just itty-bitty stuff." [...]
There are nascent movements underway to bring disaffected progressives into Ron Paul's fold. A new organization called Blue Republican, advertised on the Huffington Post and elsewhere, urges Democrats to pledge their support for Paul. While Nader isn't willing to endorse Paul's candidacy at this point, during our interview his praise grew increasingly effusive. "Ron Paul has always been anti-corporate, anti-Federal Reserve, anti-big banks, anti-bailouts," Nader says. "I mean, they view him in the same way they view me on a lot of these issues. Did you see the latest poll? He's like two points behind Obama."
I actually listened to an interview with Ron Paul and Ralph Nader. Ron Paul said he's a Libertarian but runs on the Republican ticket so he can get on all the country ballots. Ralph Nader said it's extremely expensive to run as an independent because you have to have a staff of people to go country to country and satisfy each protocol to get on the ballots. It's a real nightmare.
If anything it just shows how biased the Republican Party is and how corrupt it is. Ron Paul is pulling his own and should be equally treated with the rest of the candidates. The thing is, he's a big threat to the banking system and the war industry. The gravy train for the party.
No surprise then that Nader supports Ron Paul.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/28/ra...ts-ron-paul-ha
This just in.....Titanic Supports the Andrea Gail!!!!!
omg.
jhale667 (03-13-2012)
Lounge and Nick are the Roth Army's very own Statler and Waldorf.
This just in.....Titanic Supports the Andrea Gail!!!!!
omg.
And should be taken about a seriously.
(apologies to Statler and Waldorf for the unflattering comparison)
You're right. Doc....
Ron Paul will win the GOP Nomination, and Nick and I have been wrong all along.....
Hope you and ELBOW go easy on us in August when Ron is named the GOP Nominee...
lol
I know memory problems are common in your elder years but I did just say that I don't expect him to win.
Younger than McCain in 2008, isn't he?
Fact is, the GOP loves to trot out the Relics.....
If they're breathing, they're leading tends to be the motto.....
Look what happened to McCain, a guy that 10 years ago seemed reasonably sound.
First he chooses Palin as a running mate which was ludicrous for a million reasons and since then post election as far as I can make out has lost the plot totally veering all over the place.
Late 70s is too old to be president. Look at Reagan's second term which a lot of people like to forget about now, his brain had melted. The job is about decision making and judgement. Anyone that has ever been shopping with someone in their 70s knows that is not a job for them.
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John McCain is very active in the Senate sponsoring bills that erode habeas corpus and promote a military police state and is totally on a tizzy fit right now for us to attack Iran. Most veterans I know want to avoid war at all costs. You would think a guy who was in the Hanoi Hilton would think the same. For some crazy reason John seems to love war and seems to loath basic human rights. The guy is fucked in the head and would be very dangerous in the White House.
As bad as Barrack Obama is and he's pretty fucking bad. I cringe to think of what a McCain/Palin white house would take us.
Yeah, the McCain of 2000 and the McCain of 2008 seemed like two entirely different guys. Hell, even I voted for him in the 2000 primary, because I thought a McCain presidency might have been tolerable, and I KNEW a Chimpy presidency would not be.
McCain did a lot of Chimp ass kissing in the years in between, which didn't help his reputation either, but the movie "Game Change" makes it clear exactly how much Moosealini ate his campaign. If you don't have HBO, look for it online, it's not hard to find
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Well, in your case we're right!
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Fact is, the GOP loves to trot out the Relics.....
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Damn this thread is never ending. Even though Ron may as well be completely out of the race at this point.
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He was never "in" any race......
Says who, the media ??
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Says the vast majority of people who didn't vote for him.
He's toast and didn't change anything by running.......not the debate nor the GOP.
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Bullshit...
69 delegates to Romney's 498........
But I suspect math isn't one of your strong suits either, hick
Doc,
Since you apparently agree that RP will not win the nomination, and is only staying in the race to make a point, what are you planning to do in the general election? Assume that the choices are Obama and Romney. Will you vote for one or the other? Write-in? Just curious.
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That's not a real count, dick...69 delegates to Romney's 498........
But I suspect math isn't one of your strong suits either, hick
Did you know that Ron Paul sort of won the US Virgin Islands caucus last weekend? You might have missed it – that’s one vote The New York Times didn’t consider important enough to live-blog. We say “sort of won” because there’s some controversy over exactly what happened. Representative Paul got the most votes, which in many circles is considered an indication of victory. Mitt Romney got more pledged delegates, however, so his camp says he’s the true winner of the Smackdown in Paradise.
Yes, we know what you’re saying – the Virgin Islands has a caucus? What’s next, the Antarctic primary? Hold on and we’ll explain about politics in the US Insular Areas. First we’d like to focus on Paul.
According to the Virgin Islands Republican Party, Paul won a plurality of 29 percent of their non-binding presidential preference poll. Romney got 26 percent. However, a separate tally chose delegates to the GOP Convention in Tampa. After the smoke from that vote settled, Romney had four delegates, Paul had one, and one remained uncommitted.
Initial main-stream media reports – yes, there were a few – reported this as another Romney triumph. This incensed Paul campaign official blogger Jack Hunter, so he produced a video to explain to doubters how 29 is a bigger number than 26.
“The mainstream media is trying to have it both ways,” said Hunter. “Once again, when Ron Paul does win, they find all sorts of ways to ignore it.”
OK, we’ll take the point. We declare that henceforward we will no longer say that Ron Paul has to prove his staying power by winning somewhere.
However, can we also point out the fact that the Paul campaign has been trying to do to Romney what Romney did to him? In Maine and other caucus states the Paulites have been organizing to win more delegate slots than their vote would indicate they’re entitled to. Have they been successful? We won’t really know until the convention roll call.
Now, as to how the US Virgin Islands got involved in this, the answer is that it’s been involved in US presidential politics for decades, as have Guam, American Samoa, and the Northern Marianas.
These are the US Insular Areas, which are unincorporated US territories. Officially they’re overseen by the US Department of the Interior, though all are self-governing in regards to their own affairs.
Their inhabitants are US citizens, as are the inhabitants of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. (There’s one exception – residents of American Samoa are “US nationals” not US citizens.) The Democratic and Republican parties, which in essence are private clubs, have decided that these citizens should get to help pick their presidential nominees. The Virgin Islands GOP, for instance, was formed in 1948.
The Insular Islanders, however, do not enjoy all the rights of US citizens who reside in the states, points out a comprehensive General Accounting Office study of their relationship to the American Constitution. They cannot vote for president in the general election. Nor are they represented by legislators who can vote in the final approval of legislation by the full Congress.
They can make a difference in the nomination races, though. On Tuesday, Romney won nine delegates from the caucus in American Samoa. In essence, that erases his loss in the Alabama primary, where Rick Santorum won 19 delegates to Romney’s 12.
If he gets the Virgin Islands does he still qualify for the set of steak knives, too?
It. Doesn't. Matter, Elvis
Where was your electoral outrage during the Florida 200 theft?
Oh yeah, you told us all to stop whining and get over it.
Nickdfresh (03-14-2012)
Why not offer up the "real" count, dick?
I'm not sure I said that but if I did, I apologize...If he gets the Virgin Islands does he still qualify for the set of steak knives, too?
It. Doesn't. Matter, Elvis
Where was your electoral outrage during the Florida 200 theft?
Oh yeah, you told us all to stop whining and get over it.
There is no real delegate count yet...Why not offer up the "real" count, dick?
The media and a thing called reality.
I'm not sure honestly. I will vote. I don't see much difference between Romney and Obama (on the things I care about).
I might write in Ron Paul, but I might vote for Gary Johnson. I'm still reading about him. I support Ron Paul, but I support the ideas even more. I am researching candidates at the local and state levels as well to be sure to vote for people that are in alignment with the parts of the Libertarian philosophy I agree with. It's a lot to read. I do want to use my vote in the most impactful way, but at the same time I reject the idea that I should vote against anyone or vote for "the winner" ... I view my vote as an investment to draw attention to the ideas/causes I care about; the only way I could waste it would be not to vote at all.
Guitar Shark (03-14-2012)
Texas is unlikely to be a battleground state anyway. I expect it to go red like always.
We won't know for sure until the caucus processes are completed. It won't be enough to get the nomination, obviously, but it might be enough to help keep anyone else from winning an outright majority of delegates.Why not offer up the "real" count, dick?
If we do get to a brokered convention, the dynamics should be interesting. I think Gingrich and Santorum supporters could certainly come together around one or the other. I don't think the Romney people would go too far from him towards either of them, or towards Paul. Gingrich/Santorum people wouldn't go towards Paul most likely either. The Paul people certainly won't go to any of the others.
If Romney has enough to prevent Santorum/Gingrich groups from coalescing and taking the nomination, he'll still need the delegates from one of the groups to put him over the top. I'm not sure where he'll get it unless he can bleed enough off of Gingrich/Santorum, or he ties himself into a bigger knot to get Paul to endorse him. Paul usually doesn't endorse Republican nominees though, and if he did, I'd personally have to be convinced by him as to why I should vote for Romney and not go a different direction anyway.
Yeah. It's just a question if we will go full-on retard and hand Santorum the win or not.
Who knows, maybe Ron Paul will join up with Gary Johnson and run libertarian again. If he does, it won't be until he milks the republican primary process for all its worth to keep attention around his ideas (which is rapidly diminishing).
LoungeMachine (03-15-2012)
Apparently, Texas doesn't get a primary until May 29 this year, which would ordinarily mean a meaningless contest, but this year might actually decide 2nd place if not the frontrunner. Since the "confederate" states seem to be divided on which idiot "who isn't Romney" they prefer.
The secessionist wing of the Texas Repukes (and Dr. Love) might vote for Ron Paul. Except for the John Hagee type, who believe that war with Iran is MANDATORY to bring Jesus back, and they're tired of waiting for it. The "defense" industry hacks and oil thieves are the ones who might be up for grabs between the serial adulterer, the frothy mixture, and the dog abuser from Planet Kolob.
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