ron paul=awesome/kickass?

[Dr. Love]

I think the reason Obama has largely failed is a) he pre-emptively compromised all his bargaining power away, b) the republicans refused to work with him and c) he didn't fight them or take his case to the public hard enough to change the course of the country


Combined with a host of other problems with him.

How is Paul different? Well, the US President has mostly unilateral control over the military and foreign policy. He can start by making his largest impact there. On the domestic side, it depends on how much he can work with Democrats or Republicans on whatever the agenda is and whether either side will try to be as disruptive as they have been with Obama.

[Nickdfresh]

Ron Paul is the least corrupt guy in Congress, that much is true.

Based on________?

[Nickdfresh]

That argument doesn't really resonate with me ... I support him for the ideas and philosophy, which is ageless...

You see him through rose-colored glasses and selectively use arguments based on buzzwards while ignoring a good deal of his ideology is about privatizing everything and turning the United States into an anarchic plutocracy....

[Warham]

Based on________?

He isn't targeted by lobbyists.

http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/07/12/ron-paul-paid-352-by-lobbyists-boehner-paid-202165-pelosi-paid-695282/

If you look at the lists, it makes sense. Reid, Lincoln, and Schumer are the biggest turds in the Senate and receives the most money from lobbyist. They are all Democrats, too. How interesting! The House is similar.

[Nickdfresh]

He isn't targeted by lobbyists.
....

They don't need too. He's their wet dream of gov't self-castration...

Thanks for the "Libertarian" source, though. Do you have any WWII history done by National Socialists?

[Dr. Love]

You see him through rose-colored glasses and selectively use arguments based on buzzwards while ignoring a good deal of his ideology is about privatizing everything and turning the United States into an anarchic plutocracy....

Presuming that were true (and it isn't; I've discussed multiple times why), how is that different than how any one else in here acts towards their own candidates? I see a lot of blind eyes being turned in this forum these days.

[Dr. Love]

They don't need too. He's their wet dream of gov't self-castration...

Good point, I have no idea why I didn't see it earlier!

Now it all makes sense -- they're all donating so heavily to his campaign because he's a natural fit for their business interests! The corporate owned media is giving him so much positive coverage, and TOTALLY not dismissing him whenever they speak, because they recognize what a boon he'll be to their respective industries! The ultra-wealthy and corporate magnates are flocking to him in droves because of how his philosophy will completely empower them!

It's not because he can't be bought, it's because he doesn't need to be bought! They can totally count on someone they can't control!

That MUST be why the young, the military and the "average" citizens are all staying away from him!

:P

[Dr. Love]

You see him through rose-colored glasses and selectively use arguments based on buzzwards while ignoring a good deal of his ideology is about privatizing everything and turning the United States into an anarchic plutocracy....

I'll quote what I said less than 5 posts before yours in apparent pre-response to you...

In any event, Paul has said more than a few times that he isn't going to push his ideology on the nation; He's pragmatic and would do what he could to safeguard our social systems and begin transitioning us away from government dependence.

I personally like that philosophy. We can afford our social programs if we change our imperialistic philosophy and militarism -- which is exactly what he's saying he would do.

Paul isn't campaigning on a platform of deregulation; He's campaigning on a platform that says we need to change our foreign engagements and get our own house back in order. Spend our resources here and not everywhere else. A lot of people get caught up on what he thinks would work well in theory and forget to look at what he's saying he would do in practice.

A lot of people here included.

[Warham]

They don't need too. He's their wet dream of gov't self-castration...

Thanks for the "Libertarian" source, though. Do you have any WWII history done by National Socialists?

Actually, that site got their information from another site, which is not libertarian.

But the trail is easy enough to follow: Money > Power > Corruption.

Ron Paul received $352 in two payments by lobbyists in two years (2009, 2010).

This is partially why Obama sucks. He's been bought with money from Wall Street and other interests and crony capitalism rules the roost.

[Dr. Love]

[Warham]

Ron might not have much of an influence right now on the political landscape, but I think it will grow in future years. He's being heard more now than he was four years ago and his message is getting out to more people. We will go over a cliff eventually because of the spending. The one thing that drives me nuts right now is Obama gutting Social Security for this payroll tax cut he's been pushing. Why doesn't he just lower the marginal rate on the middle class?

[Nitro Express]

Ron might not have much of an influence right now on the political landscape, but I think it will grow in future years. He's being heard more now than he was four years ago and his message is getting out to more people. We will go over a cliff eventually because of the spending. The one thing that drives me nuts right now is Obama gutting Social Security for this payroll tax cut he's been pushing. Why doesn't he just lower the marginal rate on the middle class?

Obama is a huge liar. He has raided medicare and social security which were true socialist programs and his health care plan is nothing more than a insurance company monopoly with the government acting as the enforcer. That's not socialism at all, it's the government becoming the bitch of corporations instead of regulating them. So this guy sells himself as a socialist but the money isn't going to the people, it's going to corporations and a lot of that money has gone overseas. People need to wake up to the Obama scam. He even has that smirk on his face when he talks. I think he actually enjoys screwing people and thinks it's fun.

I wouldn't count Ron Paul out. The media and the political parties try to ignore him but he's holding his own with Romney and Newt. If you read up on what he has to say he's not in the lap of the corporations at all. Many say he wants to deregulate and that would cause trouble but we really don't have any regulation at all now. They deregulated the banks already and it seems like most these agencies are just harassing the smaller businesses while the corporations get a free ride. He's all for bringing the banking regulation back he just wants to get rid of the already corrupt agencies that really don't do their job anyways.

Members of the military are the biggest Ron Paul supporters and that's funny because he wants to really cut the defense budget. The reason is the people who serve in the military have been the ones who have been abused the most by the government. Most of us have to put up with more government intrusion and more taxes and less rights but they get sent off to get killed and maimed and then the government does all it can to hide the caskets coming home and then they put you on a list of being a potential terrorists. You get shitty pay while the contractors are living well around you. You see abuse in the system all over the place. Then there is no end in sight of all these wars while home crumbles. I can see why they are fed up.

[Dr. Love]

[Nickdfresh]

Presuming that were true (and it isn't; I've discussed multiple times why), how is that different than how any one else in here acts towards their own candidates? I see a lot of blind eyes being turned in this forum these days.

And you never fail to mention so...

[Nickdfresh]

Good point, I have no idea why I didn't see it earlier!

Now it all makes sense -- they're all donating so heavily to his campaign because he's a natural fit for their business interests!....
:P

Maybe they value their money and don't want to waste it on the unelectable?