The Resheeple vote for whom they're told to vote for....
And when in doubt, they check FAUX KNEWS
The Resheeple vote for whom they're told to vote for....
And when in doubt, they check FAUX KNEWS
Originally Posted by Kristy
Well, we'll see how SC goes ... but tonight was another good night for Paul
He could WIN SC and FLA and still never be the Nom......
The GOP would never allow it
He's doing well early, that's for sure but you know how these things go........how many times has someone been hot early on, only to get destroyed a few weeks later.
That's my prediction for Paul.........
Although, I still stand by.....the GOP isn't crazy about Mitt and they hate Newt.
So given those two factors, Paul could slip in......highly doubt it, though!
E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
Look at the 2 windmills Paul tilts at most.....
Defense Spending
and
The Fed
Tell me the powers that be would ever let him get the nomination....
FORD has a better chance.
It might not matter ... if he can get enough delegates, he can cause trouble for the nomination and get influence the process anyway. He's already altered the debate by a fair bit.
It's sad but it's true....... Eisenhower's farewell speech warning about the military industrial complex rings as true today as it did back then.Look at the 2 windmills Paul tilts at most.....
Defense Spending
and
The Fed
Tell me the powers that be would ever let him get the nomination....
FORD has a better chance.
I don't disagree with that in the slightest......
I think, and HOPE he can shake things up.
ALL I'm saying is he can't/won't ever win a GOP Nom....
Dwight would be a far-left socialist Democrat in the vein of Bernie Sanders today....
But then again, so would Ronnie
Jesus.....look how far the GOP has fallen since Dubya ruined the country and his Party......Dwight would be a far-left socialist Democrat in the vein of Bernie Sanders today....
But then again, so would Ronnie
Palin as a VP nom.......
Batshit was an early front runner........Prick had a minute in the sun.
Lincoln must be spinning in his Grave!
Lincoln would be shunned by today's GOP as a crazy left wing loon
At least the current candidates aren't as racist as Lincoln.
Not openly anyway.
If Diebold and Shittizens United weren't in the way of an actual fair election, I'd probably vote for Rocky Anderson this time around . Or write in Howard Dean, because this country would be a lot better off right now, if the 8th year of his presidency were about to begin
Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
As a Repuke nominee??Look at the 2 windmills Paul tilts at most.....
Defense Spending
and
The Fed
Tell me the powers that be would ever let him get the nomination....
FORD has a better chance.
Nah, the BCE would never let that happen
How 'bout a Paul / Kucinich ticket ??
In theory it might work but I guess I'm jaded enough to realize...........what might be good on paper doesn't play well to the average American.
It's all about showbiz now.....I'm not defending it nor do I like it but the past has shown me.....the best and the brightest rarely get the job.
Well, with Paul's strategy he could very realistically end up with the delagates to become the nominee...
Just because the media says it can't happen doesn't make it so...
Nobody really likes Romoney and Paul is the strongest candidate by far...
I can see your point but I don't think the GOP will allow Paul the victory, period.
The GOP hates all of their candidates and not one of them is galvanizing the base.
This is a race for the chance to get nominated and that in and of itself doesn't mean Paul can force anything........
Backroom deals have been made numerous times in the past and the popular candidate doesn't always win.
You should read up on their strategy...
Paul is running a great campaign...
Looking at the way too early results, I agree....he is!
Doesn't mean that this is going to get him the nom, though!
He registered with a Party and has to respect the decisions that the Party leaders make......if he doesn't his only choice is to run as an independent.
I disagree with his zero regulation, let the market correct itself, theory and a few other points but that doesn't mean I don't respect the campaign he's running or some of his views.
I don't know that he said zero regulation...
But either way, if your reason for not supporting Paul is his stance on regulation, that's not much to go on...
His strict adherence to the Constitution is reason to support him. That and he's the only candidate who wants to cut spending and the size of the federal government...
Ron Paul is the closest thing to the founding father's philosophy we will ever see...
He is?But either way, if your reason for not supporting Paul is his stance on regulation, that's not much to go on...
His strict adherence to the Constitution is reason to support him.Ron Paul is the closest thing to the founding father's philosophy we will ever see...That and he's the only candidate who wants to cut spending and the size of the federal government...
Here's the situation with the Republican party at the moment:
The corporatists running the party want Romney (including the BCE, and history proves they have been behind every Republican nomination since 1952)
The actual Repuke voters want anybody BUT Romney, with the possible exception of Ron Paul (because they hate him for the few things he believes that actually make sense - his foreign policy, and views on civil liberties and "federal" banks)
No doubt that Diebold gave a huge "assist" to Mittens last night, as I predicted it would.
South Carolina should be interesting. They don't like Mormons down there. Probably not that crazy about Catholics either. Ron Paul might have a shot there, except he's not a warmonger, and they really seem to like that in the South, for some reason.
God forbid they might vote for pRick Perry, because he's a warmongering Southern dumbass.
Well you have all these piss dweebs in office illegally making laws that trample the constitution and then they try and convince us that what they just did is the law. Someone needs to make it clear the constitution is above the congress and president. The government right now is completely out of control as is the financial system. Also, fuck the political parties. They both are corrupt. I'm tired of voting for a party. I say it's time we vote for people again and they can pick their own cabinet instead of having the party appoint the motherfuckers. We have had puppets for too damn long.
Ron Paul is running on integrity. The others aren't because they can't. They have no integrity.
The president that gave the slaves their freedom was a racist?
Well, the BCE as you like to call it FORD have effectively brainwashed people on both sides regarding foreign policy...
I credit you in helping me see things from a different perspective...
This nation building, spreading democracy total bullshit has to stop, and that alone is good enough reason to back Paul...
Okay.....who HACKED into ELBOW's account?
fess up.
Pretty sure it would take a Constitutional amendment to make the entire cabinet/executive branch into elected offices. Not that I'm necessarily opposed to the idea. Hell even if Chimp & Darth would have actually WON the 2000 election, there's no way the likes of Perle, Wolfoshitz, or John Bolton ever would have won a vote.
And God knows Obama would have had a much better cabinet
The people should get a vote on the Supreme Court too. It's only fair, since they decided a Presidential Election, despite the will of the People. Opie Roberts, who had an entire two years on the bench (also a Chimpointed term) was ridiculously underqualified to be on the Supreme Court at all, and absolutely unsuitable as a Chief Justice.
Son of a bitch couldn't even get the Presidential Oath of Office right. Let alone any of his court decisions.
I like ELBOW...
It was me, but in terms of full disclosure, I did learn that "edit the post" thing from YOU.Okay.....who HACKED into ELBOW's account?
fess up.
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“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”― Stephen Hawking
If this next election is a failure the bloodshed comes next.
Do you really think the country can follow a strict adherence to the Constitution? It hasn't in our lifetime and longer.But either way, if your reason for not supporting Paul is his stance on regulation, that's not much to go on...
His strict adherence to the Constitution is reason to support him. That and he's the only candidate who wants to cut spending and the size of the federal government...
Ron Paul is the closest thing to the founding father's philosophy we will ever see...
This feel good talk about going back to strict adherence to the Constitution is a fairy tale.......electing Paul will not get you there because it takes more than one man to do that and Congress will never let that happen........
After 9/11 we basically allowed every Anti-Constitutional Bill to pass.......cheered on in the naive belief that we were making ourselves safer by doing so......Ben Franklin and the Founding Fathers had quite a lot to say on exactly that subject and they weren't Pro-Dubya on it either. They would of been locked away in Gitmo as terrorists.
Do we take away every Amendment made since it was ratified? Or do we let the powers that be cherry pick what is advantageous to their agenda, decide? What about the stuff that the Founding Fathers had no way of knowing about....technology, modern warfare, and the likes.
Or is the document and the structure allowed to live and breathe as was the intention.....
We never punished a President and Vice-President who violated the Constitution, blatantly........even the biggest Dubya apologist agrees that they, at the very least, abused their powers. I personally believe a convincing case could be made for Treason, as it's defined.
People are too fucking lazy and stupid to go back to yesteryear, when the most popular news stations and topical commentators are nothing but opinionist, who will take the time and energy necessary to bring about real and lasting change?
How about TEBOW?I like ELBOW...
Somebody BAN this twat.
Respectfully, The Founders may not have know exactly HOW the times would change, but they WISELY knew one thing: Human Nature. They knew tyranny, lies , honor, morals, war, freedom and lack of control, and responsibility and where it leads.
Of course they had no idea of what and how we'd advance as a people, but they made sure the constitution was flexible enough to change if times called for if absolutely needed.
And , If you have folks wanting strap bombs on and walk into a crowd and kill as many women and children as they can, then I have no problem with "DUBYA" CONSIDER doing what he can to keep people safe and change with the times. Ol' Barack has no problem INCREASING drone Strikes , getting into war with LIBYA ( hiding behind the UN to do so) and GITMO still is there doing its thing. hmmmmmmm.....
sorry....continue.
Can someone tell exactly how Im supposed to beleive PMSNBC is so reputable and unbiased...that s a bigger joke than Joe Biden.
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"I Don't feel tardy...."
Somebody BAN this twat.
I like the new guy.
That's my point......the Constitution lives and breathes according to the times.
Every time I hear a politician or Teabagger spout off about going back to a strict adherence of the Constitution......in the same breathe they talk about changing it and THEN adhering to it! So my question is......what parts are you going to change or are you just making a blanket statement because you know it's an "issue" button you can throw in your rhetoric arsenal. You know like, "I'm tough on crime, want to save SS, I'll make the country safe and that bile that they spew.
So you have zero problems with suspending the writ of Habeas Corpus, torture, the blanket spying on average citizens without a warrant, and invading Sovereign Nations. So basically you're against the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.And , If you have folks wanting strap bombs on and walk into a crowd and kill as many women and children as they can, then I have no problem with "DUBYA" CONSIDER doing what he can to keep people safe and change with the times. Ol' Barack has no problem INCREASING drone Strikes , getting into war with LIBYA ( hiding behind the UN to do so) and GITMO still is there doing its thing. hmmmmmmm.....
Let's see what a Founding Father has to say about that exact subject........."Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.". Don't think old Ben Franklin could make that any clearer, do you?
For the record..........how many troops do we have in Libya right now? How many troops did we send there? The last what.......5 Presidents bombed a country in conjunction with NATO.......1 President invaded a country with NATO.....His son basically said fuck NATO and we'll invade a Sovereign Nation without their consent and I'll lie to the American people about why we're going to invade.....
By all means, lets!sorry....continue.
No idea, don't watch opinionist news channels.......Can someone tell exactly how Im supposed to beleive PMSNBC is so reputable and unbiased...that s a bigger joke than Joe Biden.
Look, Im not aiming top pick a fight/ disagreement ...........Of Course we don't have a lot in libya...Obama decided to hide behind the UN. He didn't ask congress for approval. he just DID IT.
Aas far as suspending habeas corpus...Lincoln did it. May have been a bad idea, but it worked out the way it should. But I don't want anyone locked up, i also don't like the idea of idiots with bombs sneeking throiugh the border or another 9/11.
Invading a foreign country? Sorry i don't see that the same way. And to be fair, other than our own, can we name one country we have had war with , or "invaded" , that WE ACTUALLY CLAIMED?
When Iraq had elections and stabilized enough to sell its own oil..did we we claim it or did Bush step back and let them sell it to whom they wanted....They sold it to the Brits, Russia and China.
I don't normall quote fiction but in this case it explains my personal view as far as torture goes , a great line from one of the last episodes of 24 ..
" I know there are laws i have to follow, i know these laws were made by smarter men than I, but if theres someone gonna blow up a bus in a crowd of people and I have no choice to force this man to tell me what i need to know, I can't ignore those people....im gonna do what i have to do"
If a guy knows something for sure, and its him or the bomb in times square...sorry, sucks to be that guy.
But To be sure Ben Franklin was indeed very smart.. I tread lightly in any opinion that seems to disagree with him.
My only Problem with Ron Paul is that he has a Ostrich foreign policy. Its our fault all those poor jihadists are pissed off.....its a blind fool crock. Its absolutely dangerous. Does a bully ease off you if you try to avoid him? Were we in Afghanistan , Iraq, when 9/11 happened? were we bombing them?
I respect where your coming from, But We do have a right to defend ourselves and if there proper intelligence saying theres a threat, then we should act on it and i don't feel thats a violation of the constitution.
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