He "fucked things up?" WHAT?! Things were incredibly fucked the moment he stepped into office...Originally Posted by Dr. Love
He "fucked things up?" WHAT?! Things were incredibly fucked the moment he stepped into office...
I agree...and will add to it:
As in..."already fucked up", "had been fucked up"....
and for the last 7-8 years....
you can't blame Obama for the mess that he took on simply by taking office....
that which was what was already screwed up to start with...
well, you can...but it's not logical.
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Dude, shut the fuck up...
His legislative agenda; I wanted Obama to go in and change things ... in his earnest quest to get bipartisan consensus he gave away much and got almost nothing in return. Healthcare, Bush tax cuts, consumer protection, bank regulation ... every area he should have been strong and use the high ground to push the GOP into line with his agenda (and the dems), he fucked it up and conceded point after point ... and then the GOP didn't vote for it anyway!
The guy is a pushover. He fucked up whatever mandate he had and refused to play tough.
Say what you will about Bush and the GOP (and there's a lot to say!) but those guys know how to get their way ... and apparently they don't need a majority to do it.
oh, and he signed the NDAA this year ... despite "reservations" about how it allows indefinite detention of americans.
And he had an american citizen assassinated on foreign soil.
He's recently come out against SOPA ... but then, it's election season and he has to play to his base somehow. I don't trust the guy. He doesn't care about you are me .... he's in it for himself, and he's in it to keep things how they are.
It's an indication of how aggravated I am with this turd that I'm still thinking of shit to post.
When he came into office he had the financial industry on its heels; They were taking gobs of money from the government and he had the high ground and could have pushed through the legislation and regulations we needed to keep the country safe. And what did he do? He appointed those fuckers to his cabinet! He didn't stand up for us at all! He could have attached more strings to the money and pushed through genuine change. Instead, he chose to serve his financial benefactors... who contribute more money to him to this very day.
I don't agree with Ron Paul on deregulation... but the guy will not be bought, and he will fight for me.
Dude, fuck off
Inbred sister-fucker says what? Seriously, stick to attempting to master words with more than two syllables and let the adults talk here, jackoff...
I share your frustration with Obama.....
I agree the crazy old man Paul can't be bought....
But Obama will be re-elected, and Paul will never get the GOP Nom.
Firstly, Bush's domestic agenda was fueled by a massive terrorist attack. Whatever else he had planned (like privatizing Social Security) fell apart. Secondly, Obama was always beholden to his pledge of bipartisanship, which he seems to be slowly disdaining. In any case, he has achieved a modicum of nearly everything you've listed....
It's possible though that if Paul gets the nomination running against him he could impact on Obama's policies for the second term in a good way.
Fuck off bitch!
Go suck Obama's dick...
Last edited by ELVIS; 01-16-2012 at 08:08 PM.
Is that what you did here for 8 years?
Did you "sock" [sic] Bush's dick?
Which is why I hope the little pit bull stays in until the bitter end...
He can shape the debate. He just can't win.
Why the need to edit "if you want to defend him" ??
Don't be such a pussy, ELBOW
You are truly a wordsmith, Elvira...
I was hoping you could come up with something less indicative than the cliche ramblings of a sad, mental case drifting through life looking for a crutch and a lifeboat to deal the normality he clearly can't handle without drugs or cults...
Ron Paul has already said if he doesn't get the nomination he won't run as an independent. You can't win without the backing of a major party and that right there is the problem. The big money buy the parties.Which is why I hope the little pit bull stays in until the bitter end...
He can shape the debate. He just can't win.
Another term of Obama will mean more record level spending, more wars, more bailing out the banks and sticking the taxpayer with the bill and more rights taken away in the name of safety and fairness. Romney will do the same thing. Obama should just come out and tell everyone he's a Neocon Republican.
Ford is the smart one. He knows there is no difference between the two so he will vote for Rocky Anderson to wash his hands of the whole mess and when it continues to go to hell in a hand basket at least he can say he didn't enable it.
True but two wrongs don't make a right. Right now things are so fucked up I don't think one side is any better than the other.
Obama owns the first 2 years....
The Repuke, do nothing Congress own the last 2.....
Doen't mean we turn it over to Mittens.
I think we deserve more than a modicum of progress... and we would have gotten more than a modicum if he'd stood up for what he believed in instead of engaging in one-sided compromise.
if our only choice is to vote for one of the Obamneys then we get what we deserve as a country... more of the fucked up sameI share your frustration with Obama.....
I agree the crazy old man Paul can't be bought....
But Obama will be re-elected, and Paul will never get the GOP Nom.
Another discussion about what the President didn't do, without including Republican filibusters into it....
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As opposed to thinking the crazy doctor from Texas can fix it?
Until this country takes back our elections/congress with REAL reform this is what we get.
Both sides are fine with the filibuster rule and don't change it when the senate convenes... and neither side challenges it and forces a filibuster to actually shut down the Senate and answer to the people when they do.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for a bunch of gasbags that don't even TRY
It has to start somewhere. Ron Paul is a cause candidate -- and I support the cause (and the candidate). If he doesn't get it, I have faith someone else will take up the banner and keep pushing.As opposed to thinking the crazy doctor from Texas can fix it?
Until this country takes back our elections/congress with REAL reform this is what we get.
Nor do I....
Now please explain to us how President Paul, with no support or coalition would get anything passed?
It starts with REFORM....
not a nut.
You are the guy that thinks the same beer is better as long as it's in a bottle with your favorite brand name on it. Go ahead and believe all the political theater. That's all it is.Obama owns the first 2 years....
The Repuke, do nothing Congress own the last 2.....
Doen't mean we turn it over to Mittens.
Use all the new power Bush gave the presidency. Obama sure seems to be enjoying it.Nor do I....
Now please explain to us how President Paul, with no support or coalition would get anything passed?
Actually, even if they forced a fillibuster, there's not much that the Democrats could do once they forced it. This article explains it pretty well:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_169117.html
And since they can't invoke cloture with 60 votes, they're fucked.....
They will rob and steal until the lid finally blows off. We can either solve it politically or we can blow each other's heads off. The latter happens after the political process fails.
Ron Paul shares agenda items with both republicans and democrats. In a deeply divided congress, he could work with both sides to get the country moving on the left and the right.Nor do I....
Now please explain to us how President Paul, with no support or coalition would get anything passed?
Agenda items like:
Bringing the troops home
Cutting spending across the board
Decriminalizing marijuana
Lowering taxes
...
the list goes on, but the point is, he can move the ball in multiple areas by having shared issues with both sides.
No, but I look forward to you telling us how you worked for years as a master brewer.....
You mean like tax cuts?
Ask Obama how well the Repuke congress helped him "move the ball" on that one....
I read the article, but I think this can be addressed 1 of 2 ways:
1. Amend the rules
2. When a party threatens to shut down government ... call the bluff. Let them make endless quorum calls. The people aren't dumb ... when they see it happening, they will express their anger over it.
I seem to recall Senate Republicans and President Obama working together to push House Republicans into line on that recently...You mean like tax cuts?
Ask Obama how well the Repuke congress helped him "move the ball" on that one....
I'll say this ... watching the republican debate ... god Ron Paul is a horrible speaker most of the time.
"working together" ?
Hardly
File it under "calling their bluff" and "running for cover"
How about we fire all the mother fuckers. One thing that is killing the economy is businesses can't make a five year plan because they have no idea what their taxes are gong to be for that period thank's to the jackass politicians not able to come up with a budget. So you hold off on hiring.
Also, what has ruined the political system is allowing corporations to donate to a campaign. It should only individual people who can donate and then set a cap on the amount to keep the ones with deep pockets from taking over the system.
I think Mitt will get the nomination and win. I'm waiting to see how the election goes but seriously, if it doesn't turn this election nothing is going to get fixed. The politicians will do what they can to rally the economy in 2012 because they want to get re-elected and then all hell breaks loose in 2013. Then they will re arrange the chairs on the Titanic some more while she sinks. People are already leaving the US. Especially retired people. The system has been going down hill the last 40 years and now they are taking away basic constitutional rights and coming for the internet next. If this keeps up there isn't going to be anything here worth staying here for.
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