not true.Originally Posted by Dr. Love
it was hard enough getting health care reform through the democratic house. and for everyone calling it socialism, the fact is liberals hated that reform. but it could not have passed as anything else. so it's more incremental changes than anything.
You don't think we deserve more than a modicum, or incremental change? You don't think Obama sat on his thumb and wasted time while it was torn apart across the nation rather than stand up and fight and twist arms and sell it to the people?
I want something better. I believe we deserve something better than what Obama is selling.
While you focus on the "figurehead" I focus my ire and disdain on the REAL problem......
Lobbyists, Campaign Finance Reform, and a Bribed Congress that doesn't give a rat's ass what's good for the country....
We don't butter their bread.
I focus on the most powerful man in the country (if not the world), with the ability to fight on my behalf against those interests, educate the people and take to task a complicit congress to get real "change I can believe in".
I focus on him to AT LEAST TRY
Speaker of the House?
Think about it.
Oh please, you think he had a choice? I just heard that 2011 was the least productive year in the history of congre$$, and that's saying a lot!!
definitely not ... he can't even control his own caucus
Maybe the most powerful person is any one of 100 individuals in the senate... one of them decides something shouldn't get done ... it doesn't happen.
So you want to vote for a guy that gets wet over the thought of unrestrained Robber-baron capitalism and would have led us into a depression if he had won in 08?
Lest we forget.....
President Romney would have let the US Auto Industry DIE.......
I expected him to do more than he did to try, instead of constantly trying to rise above the fray and constantly try to work with people whose stated goal was to see him be a 1 term president. Do you guys not think he should have done more than he did?
I support RP for different reasons ...
Desperation isn't a reason....I support RP for different reasons ...
It's called Republicanitis.
Desperation isn't the reason.
Nick we are in a depression now. It's just that with things like welfare, unemployment insurance, and food stamps it's not as obvious. Robber-baron capitalism is here and now. When you have bankers who sit on a central board of a central bank that can print money at will and call it the US dollar, you can buy lots of things. At least Ron Paul is the only one pointing that problem out. I might add the Democrats are just as guilty. 100 times leverage was made legal by Bill Clinton which opened the door to the derivatives abuse.
Obama is as much of a corporate fascist as Bush was. He just sells socialism because that is what most you Democrats want but what he has really done is given more power to the corporations. He works for General Electric and Goldman Sachs, and BP. He let BP run the whole show during that spill. If there is any socialism with Obama its socialism for the rich.
The politicians will rally the economy in 2012 because they all want to get re-elected. Then in 2013 it will drop back into reality. Sure they can do short-term stimulus.
But yes, the world financial system is in trouble because it was allowed to get out of touch with reality due to deregulation.
Last edited by Nitro Express; 01-17-2012 at 10:16 PM.
Excellent post, Nitro!
My understanding is that the response to this by the Republican candidates is to deregulate even more?
lol...
I think the only one not bought off by the corporations is Ron Paul. That's why they ignore him and the Republican propaganda station here tells everyone not to vote for him because Mitt Romney is the only one that can beat Obama.
It's not really about regulation anymore. It's corporations buying most the politicians to where the government becomes their enforcer. The EPA bars small electric car manufactures from getting their approval to sell cars. Small farmers are harassed and ran out of business by the FDA. All the agencies have their own military like thugs now. So it's corporate fascism and regulation was a thing we talked about in the past.
All the Republicans talk about is beating Obama. They don't say much about how they really are going to fix things. Remember real capitalism is owning your own property, producing a good and service and selling it to someone in exchange for something. The corporations have actually destroyed capitalism by taking over the government and using what used to be legitimate regulatory agencies and using them as thugs to run the competition out of business.
The whole Democrat and Republican thing is a thing of the past really. Both parties no longer care about the average person all they care about is the corporations who of course are tied to the central banks. In other words, they can print their own bailout but they have to saddle the citizens with some of it to make it look legitimate. It's the end result of fractional reserve banking. You can do endless damage with it.
Like I said, the only politician running that seems to really get the problem is Ron Paul. Nothing changes as long as the corporations are in charge of the money making machine.
The United States is not a government. It's governments. It no longer unified and all these different pieces are doing their own thing. As long as you can move huge amounts of money under the table this is the situation so you have to have the money supply itself in the open. So really we have a fictional money system that most people still believe in. I mean you still can trade Federal Reserve notes at the store. It's the ignorance of the little people actually that is the problem. They enable the same system that is screwing them. I mean with people that stupid of course the wolves are going to have a heyday and until the little people wake up, it's business as usual on steroids and of course the wolves will try to take more because the theft has been so easy.
Face it. People don't take notice until it affects them personally. I think more people need to be ran over by the greed train and then you have the problem of someone riding in on a white horse to save the day which usually is Hitler or Napoleon. History just repeating itself basically.
The biggest mistake Democrats make is they actually still think the government is a government of the people. So they willingly give more power to the government which is now the corporations so they actually make what they are trying to fight stronger by just giving it more power over themselves. This is the biggest flaw of the current Democratic mindset.
Of course the Republicans will vote in their flavor of thug because they want the Democrat thug gone.
See it's the same beer but it's marketed differently under two different brand names. The parties are no deeper than that anymore. They are just brand names owned by the same corporate conglomerate. Politics itself has gone corporate.
Last edited by Nitro Express; 01-17-2012 at 11:45 PM.
Which is truly pathetic, considering its the industry that made his father a rich man.Lest we forget.....
President Romney would have let the US Auto Industry DIE.......
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The corporations don't have to buy him. His Randtard Libertarian Fairy Tale agenda would destroy all regulations and they would be free to do whatever the fuck they wanted.
The only corporations who hate Ron Paul are "defense" contractors (because there would be no more wars of imperialism) and maybe the pharmaceutical companies, because he would end the war on a harmless plant which renders many of their over priced toxic chemicals useless. But by abolishing the FDA, they would make up their profit margin in record time, so they would be fine with him in the long run.
I hate to break it to you Ford but the corporations already own the federal regulatory agencies. It's already happened. The US Forrest Service is arming itself and closing roads. There has been showdowns between local sheriffs and the Bureau of Land Management over their armed thugs harassing ranchers. The horse you are worrying about has left the barn already my friend. That can all be fixed but first we might just have to get rid of these agencies and start over. The biggest problem are the derivatives and the banking system. That's the jugular vein to the corrupt corporations which hold so much derivative debt they have to get backdoor money from Ben Bernanke and saddle the tax payer to get going. Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup are so far in the hole they should just dissapear and Ron Paul's strategy will do them in.
You want to slap these guys on the hand and Ron Paul knows how to take their heads off. So of course they are going to have their propaganda machine sell him as a nut.
Let's hear it....
Please explain how he'd do it, with all scenarios.....
House, Senate, controlled by either party.
I should sue your ass off for misquoting me asshole! Lounge should get a job at MSNBC.Or be the Alan Combs type character at FOX. Both are lying sacks of shit networks.
Declare the Federal Reserve board terrorists and have them arrested and the organization seized under the Patriot Act. Thanks to Bush, the president can do a lot of things without the congress now or if you are Obama, you just go ahead and do it.
More Fantasyland Politics......
That explains the RP fixation.
Thanks for confirming.
could obama have worked harder to set the agenda? yep. though, it doesn't mean he'd have gotten anything done. in fact, there's a strong argument that he'd have gotten less done. congressional republicans made little secret from the get-go that their primary goal was to make obama a 1 termer. the more he said, "this is my plan," there's certainly a chance that the republicans would've fought tooth and nail against it. whatever it was.
that said, i would say that obama could've been a little more involved, but that doesn't mean that there was any easy, or even feasible, path to much larger change. there wasn't.
that's quitter talk!
I see Gingrich was out talking about the gold standard today. That rapscallion! Trying to destroy the US economy.
Newt was actually talking about snorting "gold dust" off a hooker's ass...
dude, being a realist isn't exactly quitting.
ron paul (sincere as he is) can wow people about how liberty is great in the ideal, but in the real world, things are a bit more complicated...
So just vote for more status quo then...
As opposed to a wasted vote for RP?
Explain how the results will be different.
Ron Paul will reduce the size of the federal government and stop the war mongering...
How?
HES. NEVER. GOING. TO. WIN.
Jesus christ, wake up
Does FOX pay you to keep repeating that ??
awesome post..too bad its so true.....
yep...just what the dems and repubs were hoping youd say....How?
HES. NEVER. GOING. TO. WIN.
Jesus christ, wake up
Old Man Lounge drank his haterade today
No vote is a waste vote. You have a say in the direction of the country. The idea that voting for someone is wasting a vote/voting for someone else is a logical fallacy.
No, it's all grown up Lounge drank his Haterade© today...
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