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    Eddie Trunk Back Pedaling

    @eddietrunk To me Hagar and Roth versions are two completely different bands and I like them both, but the first 4 Roth albums are untouchable to me.

    @EddieTrunk Would you agree that Diamond Dave has better stage presence than Sammy?

    @EddieTrunk I agree with that

    incredible to me the people that feel you can't like both versions of Van Halen and need to pick a side. I mean what is this, high school?
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    Who gives a shit what that sheep thinks?
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    Mmmmkay.

    So tell him to admit publicly he was WRONG, and that the 6 pack sold WAY more albums than the entire van hagar catalog.

    He needs to stop believing whatever lies Spambot The Insignificant puts in his mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosh51501984 View Post
    incredible to me the people that feel you can't like both versions of Van Halen and need to pick a side. I mean what is this, high school?

    There is nothing high-schoolish about having a core set of values that you believe in and defending them vigorously --- and apparently Trunk doesnt know what core values he's defending:



    Fast forward to 1:12 in the video where Trunk tells everyone that Sammy is "inspirational" because he became a tequila salesman --- and then listen to Sammy continue bragging about it.

    I dunno about you ---- but I became a Van Halen fan because of Eddie's musicianship and Dave's swagger ---- tequila money has nothing to do with it. Do you even know what the real Van Halen stands for ??
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    I'm keeping the press on....

    Roth_Army @EddieTrunk Then you shouldn't have a problem acknowledging that DLR/VH sold DOUBLE compared to SH/VH. Correct your mistake Eddie !!
    Wed, Jan 04 17:58:15 from TwInbox in reply to EddieTrunk

    Roth_Army @EddieTrunk Brian Johnson Ep., With Hagar "Band actually got bigger and sold more albums". Horribly incorrect statement, Eddie...
    Wed, Jan 04 18:37:59 from TwInbox
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    The worst part of being a Sam Halen fan, is telling your parents you are gay.
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    oh, brother....

    any comments about Sammie's stage presence?
    other than the fact that he sat there and agreed w/ every comment made to him...
    no origional thoughts at all.
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    and for all that Trunk's seeing the band in a small venue tomorrow.

    Must be something to see VH in a club setting.
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    You'll never have better leverage than right now VA. Call the Roth camp and have him removed from the guest list for tomorrow night's event!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by njbill View Post
    The worst part of being a Sam Halen fan, is telling your parents you are gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    I'm keeping the press on....

    Roth_Army @EddieTrunk Then you shouldn't have a problem acknowledging that DLR/VH sold DOUBLE compared to SH/VH. Correct your mistake Eddie !!
    Wed, Jan 04 17:58:15 from TwInbox in reply to EddieTrunk

    Roth_Army @EddieTrunk Brian Johnson Ep., With Hagar "Band actually got bigger and sold more albums". Horribly incorrect statement, Eddie...
    Wed, Jan 04 18:37:59 from TwInbox
    LMAO

    EPIC to get those responses back!

    In the meantime I have had some similar tweets going to Sam over the last week, "These guys will NEVER get an album out" and many other red slaps, Best is just sending album artwork......no, Not 1 response.
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    Who the fuck has been "inspired" by Van HAGAR and Hagar in general?

    I've only seen one admit it, and it was the frontman from Tesla claiming he won a slot in the band by singing "You're love is driving me crazy".

    Classic Van Halen? Every fucking hairband ever, plus Smashing Pumpkins, Pantera, Alice In Chains, L7, (FORD claims Nirvana..cannot confirm nor deny) Green Day, Living Colour. oh..forgot..in the "All My Life" video for Foo Fighters, they're actually playing "Panama"

    The whole crowd including CHRIS ROCK didn't go apeshit over the 04 reunion did they? No, because Roth led Van Halen was fucking awesome. Van HAGAR is the fucking 80's version of Nickelback with a better guitarist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fifth element View Post
    any comments about Sammie's stage presence?
    other than the fact that he sat there and agreed w/ every comment made to him...
    no original thoughts at all.

    Listen to those '82-'84 Lisa Robinson interviews with Dave and it's like a boxing match ---- Lisa isn't afraid to call out Dave on what she perceives as bullshit, and Dave vigorously defends his statements.

    That's how a REAL rock interview is supposed to be conducted. No compromise of your core values.

    When I watch this Eddie Trunk interview ---- all I see is cowardice and apologism for a very mediocre musical artist.

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    I cannot find the stats now - but seem to recall a higher total for the ,ugh, Sam version of VH

    Which kinda makes sense due to population increase(economy of scale), commercialization of the music, lack of any real competition for in the rock genre, and the Van Hagar vanilla appeal to womin folk and middle aged soft rocker types - hahaha, ugh, but I don't get hung up on what the majority are into - it usually sucks, - kinda like JUMP being the best selling VH song of all time - wtf !?!?!!

    go figure, there is no accounting for peoples lack of taste =)

    even godsmack has an audience, and they really suck =) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
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    Roth_Army @EddieTrunk Then you shouldn't have a problem acknowledging that DLR/VH sold DOUBLE compared to SH/VH. Correct your mistake Eddie !!
    Wed, Jan 04 17:58:15 from TwInbox in reply to EddieTrunk

    Roth_Army @EddieTrunk Brian Johnson Ep., With Hagar "Band actually got bigger and sold more albums". Horribly incorrect statement, Eddie...
    Wed, Jan 04 18:37:59 from TwInbox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    Who the fuck has been "inspired" by Van HAGAR and Hagar in general?

    The whole crowd including CHRIS ROCK didn't go apeshit over the 04 reunion did they? No, because Roth led Van Halen was fucking awesome. Van HAGAR is the fucking 80's version of Nickelback with a better guitarists.

    Dave wrote a song about banging a hot stripper and comparing it to driving a really fast car ("Panama")

    Sammy wrote a song about the joys of his wife's dusty old pussy ("Poundcake")

    It's pretty easy to see which version of Van Halen inspired people ---- and which version did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJMKID View Post
    Dave wrote a song about banging a hot stripper and comparing it to driving a really fast car ("Panama")

    Sammy wrote a song about the joys of his wife's dusty old pussy ("Poundcake")

    It's pretty easy to see which version of Van Halen inspired people ---- and which version did not.
    Dave wrote it after some reporter claimed that all Van Halen wrote about were women, drinking and fast cars. He then realized that he hadn't written a song about a car..and then..the rest is history!

    Dave's the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    I cannot find the stats now - but seem to recall a higher total for the ,ugh, Sam version of VH
    It's a long-standing topic of interest on here, and many have done the sums.

    Only in an alternate reality did Van Hagar shift more units than Van Halen.
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    Van Halen 1 sold over 10 million copies
    1984 sold over 10 million copies

    Van Hagar's best seller was 5150, which sold 6 million. Every Van Hagar album after that sold LESS than the one before. Don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think it was like 4 million for Othisblowsgoats2, 3 million for FUCK, and 2 million for Balance. And their horrible live album barely cracked gold, from my memory.

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    He responded back...

    EddieTrunk @Roth_Army nobody is perfect, God knows me included! I have heard much debate over that stat so if I'm wrong I stand corrected. will explore
    Wed, Jan 04 19:06:07 from Twitter for iPhone in reply to Roth_Army

    Then I gave him the link to the RIAA Searchable Database.... Boom !!

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    You forgot to put the quotes around "live." Right Here, Right Now was about as live as Madonna's vocals will be for the Super Bowl. But back to the Trunk tweets - what I can't, for the life of me, figure out is - why does anyone care at all what that fool thinks in the first place? Is it because he has his own TV show? His opinion certainly can't hold much sway with rock critics, can it? I've never watched his show, but I know BS when I smell it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Van Halen 1 sold over 10 million copies
    1984 sold over 10 million copies

    Van Hagar's best seller was 5150, which sold 6 million. Every Van Hagar album after that sold LESS than the one before. Don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think it was like 4 million for Othisblowsgoats2, 3 million for FUCK, and 2 million for Balance. And their horrible live album barely cracked gold, from my memory.

    I've often slammed the Hagarita sheep at VHND by also adding that Van Hagar's total units are half of Roth-era DESPITE massive promotion by MTV and Top 40 radio --- which CVH never enjoyed until "1984".

    Van Hagar got a king's ransom in publicity on radio & MTV during the late 80's and early 90's and their shit still declined in sales. How can anyone be inspired by that ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    He responded back...

    EddieTrunk @Roth_Army nobody is perfect, God knows me included! I have heard much debate over that stat so if I'm wrong I stand corrected. will explore
    Wed, Jan 04 19:06:07 from Twitter for iPhone in reply to Roth_Army

    Then I gave him the link to the RIAA Searchable Database.... Boom !!
    Nice work. Seriously.

    I don't hate Trunk. I think he has a big mouth and can be a moron sometimes, but I do love his T.V. show (obviously not every episode) and listen to him sometimes. Maybe your work here will cause him to shut up in future when comparing the legacies...or at least get it straight...because he's saying a lot of things to misguide people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    He responded back...

    EddieTrunk @Roth_Army nobody is perfect, God knows me included! I have heard much debate over that stat so if I'm wrong I stand corrected. will explore
    Wed, Jan 04 19:06:07 from Twitter for iPhone in reply to Roth_Army

    Then I gave him the link to the RIAA Searchable Database.... Boom !!

    Trunk may already be a hopeless Hagarita sheep ----- he won't let facts get in the way of a good delusion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    I don't hate Trunk. I think he has a big mouth and can be a moron sometimes, but I do love his T.V. show (obviously not every episode) and listen to him sometimes. Maybe your work here will cause him to shut up in future when comparing the legacies...or at least get it straight...because he's saying a lot of things to misguide people.

    I dont hate Trunk, either ---- truth be told, I'm damn jealous he gets to make a living talking to rock stars.

    But at some point, professional duty & ethics takes precedence over being chummy with these guys ---- start calling out their bullshit. That's the only way you get respect in the biz.

    I hope Trunk gets VH on his show and starts grilling Eddie over why he fired Mike Anthony and erased his image from the album covers, and why so many failed reunion attempts with Dave. Make him sweat --- and he earns our respect !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Van Halen 1 sold over 10 million copies
    1984 sold over 10 million copies

    Van Hagar's best seller was 5150, which sold 6 million. Every Van Hagar album after that sold LESS than the one before. Don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think it was like 4 million for Othisblowsgoats2, 3 million for FUCK, and 2 million for Balance. And their horrible live album barely cracked gold, from my memory.
    Van Halen also outsold Van Hagar in non-US territories. The figures that are always quoted are based on RIAA (i.e., US) certifications.

    As keeper of the scraps, I have a Warner's ad from late '84 that appeared in Billboard, congratulating the boys on selling 8 million copies of 1984 worldwide - and this was, like, figures up to probably November of '84. So, that album in particular, sold a lot more than 10m worldwide if it was hitting 8m by Nov '84.

    Just looking at RIAA reveals that in the US, 1984 was certified a 5m seller by January 1985. That means if we accept the figures in the Warners advert I mentioned, then 1984 had sold at least 3m outside the US in the year of 1984 alone. Logic might then dictate that it has actually sold around 13m copies (at least) worldwide, to date.

    So, these RIAA-based 'total sales' figures are conservative, especially for Van Halen (as opposed to Van Hagar), because they had more gold and platinum certifications in non-US territories (if you believe Wikipedia - Germany, US, Canada, etc).

    I know from memory - or last checking - that VHII sold 5m in the US, and Diver Down 4m. WACF was double-platinum, again in the US, and FW platinum.

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    I used to think maybe the argument was based on sales of Van Halen albums during the Van Hagar period.

    I think 1984 and VH1 continued to sell well into the 1990s and the 10x platinum status for both was awarded in the late 1990s.

    Three points against that argument.

    1) I still don't think even including those sales as Hagar sales which they clearly weren't, he would have outsold CVH.
    2) Van Hagar played the absolute minimum of Dave era songs live, hardly promoting them and as far as I've seen played them half assed.
    3) CDs - during this whole mid 1980s onwards period we all went out and bought our Van Halen albums again to get CD versions. That was even less to do with Hagar.

    Why does any of this matter never mind what Trunk says?

    It doesn't really but it's just irritating because you see it so often. All you need to do is make some shit up and next thing because journalists are lazy it ends up in the first paragraph of every interview and it just ends up bugging you.

    If in 1986 Eddie Van Halen had decided to claim his original name was Berty Twiddle and he was born in Alaska and that was stated as fact at the start of every article you read even though it matters fuck all, it would be hard not to find yourself saying this 'Berty Twiddle thing is fucking annoying.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    He responded back...

    EddieTrunk @Roth_Army nobody is perfect, God knows me included! I have heard much debate over that stat so if I'm wrong I stand corrected. will explore
    Wed, Jan 04 19:06:07 from Twitter for iPhone in reply to Roth_Army
    That's all I ask.

    I like Eddie Trunk just fine myself. Does he schooze some of his guests a little too much? Yeah but some of those assholes wouldn't do the show unless you feed their egos I'm sure. I'm also sure that there are subjects which are off limits with many guests as well. You have to remember that rock stars are much more prone to be petulant, vaginal asswipes than the general population (part of it is fan induced). I'm just happy there IS a show about hard rock and metal to begin with. That in and of itself is a small victory.
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    Best part?

    Trunk is gonna HAVE to eat his words if this VH release has any legs....it'll outsell ANY of the Spammy era.....

    Having DAVID LEE ROTH fronting the von Halen bros right right in front of your face would cause any Ghey van haggis fan to go straight.............

    Trunk is gonna see the light.....

    remember that PIECE OF SHIT video they shot for DREAMS in a club way back in the day? PLaying it off like it was CLASSIC VAN HALENish???

    Tomorrow will BURY THAT SHIT for once and for all!!!
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    Nothing like a bit of crazy optimism.

    Well maybe 3/5...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    Remember that PIECE OF SHIT video they shot for DREAMS in a club way back in the day? PLaying it off like it was CLASSIC VAN HALENish???

    Tomorrow will BURY THAT SHIT for once and for all!!!

    I always hated that 1993 video because it desperately tried to fool people into thinking Sammy was there at the beginning:





    Here's what Hagarita was actually up to in 1978:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    remember that PIECE OF SHIT video they shot for DREAMS in a club way back in the day? PLaying it off like it was CLASSIC VAN HALENish???

    Tomorrow will BURY THAT SHIT for once and for all!!!
    This. Times a Million.

    I always had in my imagination if that had been the real band in 91 you'd have seen a near riot happen in LA that go around.

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    at the risk of flogging a dead horse - a wise man once said there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.

    the statistical red herring that is often waved around is that - for a time - Van Hagar was "more successful" because their albums all went to No.1. That is often trotted out as a flabby justification for the bigger lie.

    Well, it's also a statistic that only makes sense within the context of a market. Today you can probably get a No. 1 album with less than 100,000 sales (I believe that Chickenf**t's album went top ten with sales of around 40k). Different times, different markets. So, look at context - '1984' was kept off top spot by an album that was probably selling a million a week at the time. At any other time, it would have been a No. 1 album.

    Anyways, this is the last word I will ever utter on this topic. The truth is self-evident for anyone who cares to do a bit of looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJMKID View Post
    I always hated that 1993 video because it desperately tried to fool people into thinking Sammy was there at the beginning:
    Rumor has it that they actually had to reverse the footage of thousands of people running away from The Whisky when word got out Hagar was still in the band.

    It's very misleading...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHscraps View Post
    Anyways, this is the last word I will ever utter on this topic. The truth is self-evident for anyone who cares to do a bit of looking.
    No way, you will find yourself unable not to comment again every 18 months or so.

    Been there broke the oath many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Van Halen 1 sold over 10 million copies
    1984 sold over 10 million copies

    Van Hagar's best seller was 5150, which sold 6 million. Every Van Hagar album after that sold LESS than the one before. Don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think it was like 4 million for Othisblowsgoats2, 3 million for FUCK, and 2 million for Balance. And their horrible live album barely cracked gold, from my memory.
    And there you go. I said it somewhere else around here. The only reason people think Sam outsold Dave is because the 4 Sam albums shipped at number one the first week or 2 they were out but VH 1 & 1984 alone outsold the 4 Hagar albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VHscraps View Post
    the statistical red herring that is often waved around is that - for a time - Van Hagar was "more successful" because their albums all went to No.1. That is often trotted out as a flabby justification for the bigger lie.
    implementation of SoundScan was the difference. there were hard numbers to base it on. move a lot of units day of release, and it probably went #1, at least for a week.

    from Wikipedia:

    Nielsen SoundScan began tracking sales data for Nielsen on March 1, 1991. The May 25 issue of Billboard published Billboard 200 and Country Music charts based on SoundScan "piece count data," and the first Hot 100 chart to debut with the system was released on November 30, 1991. Previously, Billboard tracked sales by calling stores across the U.S. and asking about sales - a method that was inherently error-prone and open to outright fraud.
    the RIAA cert is different though...

    Nielsen SoundScan figures are not used in RIAA certification; the RIAA system predates Nielsen SoundScan and includes sales outlets Nielsen misses. Prior to Nielsen SoundScan, RIAA certification was the only audited and verifiable system for tracking music sales in the U.S.; it is still the only system capable of tracking 100% of sales (albeit as shipments less returns, not actual sales like Nielsen SoundScan).
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    Quote Originally Posted by VHscraps View Post
    '1984' was kept off top spot by an album that was probably selling a million a week at the time. At any other time, it would have been a No. 1 album.

    .

    I'm in the minority here I know, but 1984 is my favorite Van Halen album. Sadly it had to go up against 'Thriller' which is an impossible task.
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    Van Halen was never as big as they were in 1984. They were the biggest band on the face of the earth. It was a surreal time for a young VH fan to watch your favourite
    band rise from the release of the first album to the top of the world in 6 short years only to have the wheels fall off and witness the band replace the Rocks greatest frontman with a
    B/C level clown.

    Tubby McHagar walked into the biggest band in the world. He did nothing to elevate or maintain that status. What he did maintain was a steady trend of the opposite, with the proof of each album
    selling less than the previous.

    Trunk and Hagar can fuck off and eat a bag of dicks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    I'm in the minority here I know, but 1984 is my favorite Van Halen album. Sadly it had to go up against 'Thriller' which is an impossible task.
    My favorite Van Halen album as well. I love it with such a passion, I never get tired of it.

    One interesting thing is, if you look at the sales of Van Halen when it peaked at Number 2, those weekly sales were higher than the week 5150 hit Number 1.

    Sales numbers have nothing to do with the chart. It was Number 2 because Michael Jackson was bigger than Coca-Cola. 5150 would not have come near THRILLER... At least 1984 gave it a fighting chance.

    And which line-up had a #1 single?

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    1. Nice of Eddie to admit he could be wrong. To me he is THE global spokesman (media-wise) for Heavy Metal and Hard Rock. Nobody elected him to the post...he just has the highest profile right now in public perception.

    2. How is Van Halen better than van hagar? Let me count the ways.......one, two, thirteen, sixty-nine, five-hundred-forty-three, seven-hundred-thousand, eight-hundred and ninety-nine, 87 billion......need I go on?

    Record Sales.....beat that dead horsie!

    3. I do not have a favorite album, but the first 4 are my fave albumS.

    4. How fast will this new album hit platinum? Might take a couple of months, but it is not a question of "IF" but a question of "WHEN".

    5. Yes, Eddie has to be a good host, massage the egos of his guests, etc. but then he is a huge FAN of metal anyway. There IS, however, a post from VHND awhile back....something that was a pretty extensive (but FAR from complete) list of the fucking lies Spambot printed in his imaginary "autobiography".

    VaBeach? Great job with Eddie. Send this list to him so he can see for himself what a fucking tool Spambot really is:

    Original link here:

    http://www.vhnd.com/2011/04/26/qa-wi...lvin/#comments

    But to save Eddie from having to search for the list, Sesh posted it here:

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...=1#post1537640

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