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    I fucking love it....Dave sounds good, better than in '96 to me, the Production side seems good too,nice full sound.Not so sure on Ed's tone yet,I do like how full it is, even though it's different than the early sound.

    Can't get anymore pumped than I am now!!

    Wish it was more, a minute would have been nice.....lol (:
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    It took me a few listens to get completely on board...but I wish it had continued. It got stronger for me near the end of the clip...
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    WTF is this?
    I told you I had a bad feeling...
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    I like how they posted "from the album: Tattoo" on Amazon.

    Guess they didn't get the "Different Kind of Truth" memo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    WTF is this?
    I told you I had a bad feeling...
    Easy there young Jedi....

    Judge not from a brief sample. Listen to "Down in Flames".....you'll dig it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post

    Whatever the case... they picked the wrong 20 seconds to sample....
    Yessssssiiiirrrrrrreeebbbboooobbbbb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fryingdutchman View Post
    Easy there young Jedi....
    Thank you! But I'm afraid "young" is not exactly the right word

    What can I say more? Nothing to see here, move along...

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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    Thank you! But I'm afraid "young" is not exactly the right word
    I hear ya...none of us are quite what we used to be.

    But new music from VH brings me right back to those days.

    This is going to kick ass when the wraps come off of the whole package.

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    Totally imagine this is going to have some deep Zen-like lyrics like CGTSNM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    One thing a lot of people are overlooking when it comes to reworking old songs...

    The band always did that. No matter what that shitstick Sambo is whining about, they pulled out old tunes from the demo days throughout their career:

    VAN HALEN II was full of leftovers from the demo days that didn't make it to VH I.
    WACF has IN A SIMPLE RHYME, the bridge on ROMEO DELIGHT, etc.
    FAIR WARNING has bits and pieces, including the bridge on the old SHE'S THE WOMAN.
    DIVER DOWN is mostly leftover tracks with a few covers. Hell, HANG 'EM HIGH was LAST NIGHT originally, etc.
    1984 has HOUSE OF PAIN, totally reworked.

    Even with Cheesehead...
    There's one track on BALANCE that's a total rewrite of an acoustic song from the demo days.

    There's simply doing what they've done throughout their career. I love when they finish off old tunes. It's like unfinished business finally being finished.

    If they do another album with Dave (and I hope they do), there'll be a lot of unfinished business done with so they can look even more into the future. Plus, doing these old tunes probably inspired the new material.

    I think a lot of what the non-musicians are missing is...that's what old demos are for (imagine a few others here will back me up on this)....hello? Every band/artist does it... and usually when it comes time to write new material, you find you may want to re-visit something that you didn't get around to finishing the first time, even years later.
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    Man, but this shit is a sample of the single. Which means it's supposed to be the best part of the most catchy track from the album.

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

    I'll wait & see.............

    Dave sounds good....as good as he gets these days

    Al is in the mix.....sounds like REAL drums.....

    Bass good....after last night I've got high hopes.............

    EVH sounds kinda plodding to me....not the usual gymnastics in the RYTHYM.....the verse seems kinda blah....I'm expexting that kinda of DIVER DOWN era riff which just snakes thru the tunes....too early to tell....but HELL...its HIS music so who am I to "piss and moan"....I'm just glad it actually HAPPENED AT LAST!
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    Just listend to the clip for the 20th time and I love it! I think radio will lap it up as it's catchy with a very cool groove. It's exactly what I hoped they would sound like with the new material - old school but with a contemporary twist.
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    Thanks for the link and like what I hear so far,Dave sounds great and the song has a nice trance to it...
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    All together now " I got hula girls, on the back of my leg, And she huullla's when i walk"
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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    Man, but this shit is a sample of the single. Which means it's supposed to be the best part of the most catchy track from the album.
    How on earth do you justify passing judgement on an entire song or album based on a 20 second clip?

    Name me any great album or song, and I can find you 20 seconds which don't even begin to tell the story...are you serious, man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    From the 30 seconds....I agree, it does have a Down in Flames vibe to it.

    I fucking like it.......this is what I was kinda hoping they'd do. A mature sound with a nod to the past but not to the point of being a caricature of their past self.

    Keyboards....meh! Al's drums, clear and placed right in the mix......Dave vocals, lower but good.......Ed's guitar, not really enough of it to make a judgement.....Wolfie/Ed's bass, while not completely buried like in the past is decent sounding and placed pretty good in the mix.

    Man, I can't remember being this excited about my band and their new album!
    You summed up my feelings perfectly. Can't wait to crank out the whole song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    This whole affair so far has Dave written all over it. From the NY Club Date to the reworking of Old Material to the Train Logo to the opening band.
    YOu know Sammy (as much as all find him annoying) was right on the money... The VH brothers are freakin' clueless and have no direction. It's starting to look like they handed over the keys to Dave and are letting him drive this bus. This is a smart move... He is the mouthpiece, the promoter and face of the band! Ed is loaded half the time... Al is a big kid... and Wolfie is just getting his feet wet. I like the new tune so far and VH is moving in a new direction... a little of the old mixed with a new hip sound! Brilliant!
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    dont hate it but not that excited...of course i want to hear the whole track thing before judging. Its new VH...that kicks ass!!!!!!
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    Yeah, think it's safe to say anyone willing to dimiss the tune (much less the entire release) outright based on a 30-second snippet... is a little too quick to judge.

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    Amazon UK have pulled the clip, bastards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth & Roll View Post
    How on earth do you justify passing judgement on an entire song or album based on a 20 second clip?

    Name me any great album or song, and I can find you 20 seconds which don't even begin to tell the story...are you serious, man?
    Are you suggesting that thay have intentionally chosen the worst 20 seconds from the album to promote it??? That would be an extremely odd strategy

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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    Are you suggesting that thay have intentionally chosen the worst 20 seconds from the album to promote it??? That would be an extremely odd strategy
    Not the worst, but much like a movie, you don't show all of the explosions and car-chases in the TRAILER...duh...

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    I think they took it off
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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    Man, but this shit is a sample of the single. Which means it's supposed to be the best part of the most catchy track from the album.
    For crying out fucking loud, you haven't even heard the song. Before going on a bender, give the whole song a listen. If all anybody heard of JUMP was the outro, it wouldn't say shit.

    Even then, that was a song that many VH fans had to hear a ton of times before getting on board with. Some never did, but 30 seconds does not tell you about a whole song. If if did, all songs would be 30 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    Are you suggesting that thay have intentionally chosen the worst 20 seconds from the album to promote it??? That would be an extremely odd strategy
    Well if they were the ones that did it it wouldn't have been taken down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    I think a lot of what the non-musicians are missing is...that's what old demos are for (imagine a few others here will back me up on this)....hello? Every band/artist does it... and usually when it comes time to write new material, you find you may want to re-visit something that you didn't get around to finishing the first time, even years later.
    Bingo.

    I make music with my band. Three or four of our latest songs are songs we started writing over 10 years ago. Listening to them finished is awesome...to me it feels like, "Why the hell didn't we finish working on that one back in the day?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    I think a lot of what the non-musicians are missing is...that's what old demos are for (imagine a few others here will back me up on this)....hello? Every band/artist does it... and usually when it comes time to write new material, you find you may want to re-visit something that you didn't get around to finishing the first time, even years later.
    Pretty much......or the album is taking a direction that is perfect for an old song we did back then because it didn't fit the direction we were going at the time.

    Or.....you worked up a song that was good, even great but could never quite get it right and you come back to it years later and it's the right place/time and you nail it!

    The first song I had ever written didn't make it onto an album until 15 years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    Bingo.

    I make music with my band. Three or four of our latest songs are songs we started writing over 10 years ago. Listening to them finished is awesome...to me it feels like, "Why the hell didn't we finish working on that one back in the day?"

    Yep........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrillsNSpills View Post
    Well if they were the ones that did it it wouldn't have been taken down.
    Good point. Let's wait for the right one, then.

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    im pretty confident , passing the keys to dave + vh as a team is the magic ! they are back and will kick our asses real hard !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToraToraTora View Post
    Amazon UK have pulled the clip, bastards!
    Of course they did. No doubt under orders of the US division of Universal Music Group (parent company of Interscope).

    US record corporations & RIAA corporate fascists just can't fucking stand the fact that you might hear even 30 seconds of a new song without those fucking bastards making money from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    I think a lot of what the non-musicians are missing is...that's what old demos are for (imagine a few others here will back me up on this)....hello? Every band/artist does it... and usually when it comes time to write new material, you find you may want to re-visit something that you didn't get around to finishing the first time, even years later.
    Right on. It's what artists, do, period. Writers, painters, you name it - they are always revisiting ideas and unfinished works.

    Jeez, WTF is the problem ...
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    Brethren and Sistren,

    It's hard to tell from the clip, and based on the video, the plodding pace has to give way to something faster and with a chorus. I agree if Dave ends up doubletracking his voice for backing vocals, it's gonna sound like solo DLR, especially with the keyboard filler. What I hear from the snippet is Skyscraper-esque plus CGTSNM but with a more pronounced/fat sound. Even if Al/Ed/Wolf don't sound exactly like Classic, they need to do backing vocals. I'm no Mikey apologist, and I'm stoked whether he's in the band or not, but without his voice is like a missing instrument in the Van Halen orchestra. We're not missing something as important as a violin, but he wasn't a recorder/french horn either (weirdos who played in jr high band know what I'm getting at lol).

    But here's a HUGE plus regardless: DLR lyrics. No more love, jive, baby, hey every third word. Already like "...speaking cherry red, screaming 'lectric green, purple mountains majesty..." and something about "housewife to bombshell" in seconds flat or something before cutting off.

    Anyhow, I'm stoked. There are 13 songs plus or minus a solo and perhaps instrumental intro plus a few reworked demos and a cover. We could still be in for 8 BRAND NEW all original tunes depending on the makeup of the song selection.

    Last note. I think not everyone agrees that Jump is the strongest or rockinest song of 1984. Let's not assume Tattoo is the best song off the record and let's not assume the 20sec clip was the best part. I was on iTunes listening to longer samples and they managed to pick the weakest 90secs of a couple songs (yeah they were some 80s songs so not hard to pick 90secs worth of bad, but you get my drift).

    That is all.

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    I can't get the clip to play on Amazon.

    Found this though for anyone having trouble.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE6LI1xISto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    Bingo.

    I make music with my band. Three or four of our latest songs are songs we started writing over 10 years ago. Listening to them finished is awesome...to me it feels like, "Why the hell didn't we finish working on that one back in the day?"


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    Pretty much......or the album is taking a direction that is perfect for an old song we did back then because it didn't fit the direction we were going at the time.

    Or.....you worked up a song that was good, even great but could never quite get it right and you come back to it years later and it's the right place/time and you nail it!

    The first song I had ever written didn't make it onto an album until 15 years later.

    I knew some musicians here would agree...and yeah, a few of the tunes I'm working on are coming up on 10 years old. Didn't work for the project/players I was working with at the time, but worth holding onto in my and my close friend's opinions... (not to mention as technology improved the new versions' guitar tones are waaaaaay better than the old demos)...one tune needed a bridge, put it away, coupla years later I was playing around with it as a goof and came up with the necessary part... if I'd had the "that's old stuff" mentality never would have been inspired to finish it!

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    man it's not as bad as some are letting on imo , can't wait to hear more .
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    Quote Originally Posted by if6was9 View Post
    Man, but this shit is a sample of the single. Which means it's supposed to be the best part of the most catchy track from the album.
    I've listened to other samples from Amazon and they don't always put the best part of a song in the sample, seems like they hit random many times when they sample a song.
    In fact on this one I don't believe they choose a sample that has the title of the song in it.
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    Van Halen's song without a proper riff... Strange...

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