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    Were the 2000's the worst era for hard rock?

    *not including the reunion of the mighty VAN HALEN of course.

    As it's now 2 years past the decade, I feel it's a good time to look back on the mainstream groups that dominated the genre, and ...yeesh...it ain't looking pretty.

    Disturbed
    Nickelback
    Breaking Benjamin
    Hinder
    Shinedown
    Papa Roach
    Three Days Grace
    System of a Down
    Daughtry
    Sixx A.M.
    Finger 11
    Slipknot

    All of the groups to me seem to run together, and don't have any sort of lyrical skill or music quality to help them out in that regard.

    Was there a reason why these groups dominated the charts and we've had such a wide gap since around '95?
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    I like Black Stone Cherry alot & A few Shinedown tunes. Foo Fighters have some good stuff but their not really hard rock. You can have the rest !! Black Label was cool for a few albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    Nickelback
    Breaking Benjamin
    Hinder
    Shinedown
    Papa Roach
    Three Days Grace
    System of a Down
    Daughtry
    Sixx A.M.
    Finger 11
    Slipknot
    All those bands COMBINED made one song I liked, "Life Is Beautiful" by Sixx A.M. A grand total of $0.99 the music industry made off me on all those bands. The rest is a total shitfest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    *not including the reunion of the mighty VAN HALEN of course.

    As it's now 2 years past the decade, I feel it's a good time to look back on the mainstream groups that dominated the genre, and ...yeesh...it ain't looking pretty.

    Disturbed
    Nickelback
    Breaking Benjamin
    Hinder
    Shinedown
    Papa Roach
    Three Days Grace
    System of a Down
    Daughtry
    Sixx A.M.
    Finger 11
    Slipknot

    All of the groups to me seem to run together, and don't have any sort of lyrical skill or music quality to help them out in that regard.

    Was there a reason why these groups dominated the charts and we've had such a wide gap since around '95?
    I'm of the opinion that when the early 90's 'grunge' or 'alternative' movement died around 94/95, the corporations took over and music became product. Your list reads like a who's who of shitty corporate garbage disposable shitbag paint by numbers corporate schlock rock. You can add limp bizkit & korn to that list as well... complete shite.

    2012 on the other hand is going to be a MOTHERFUCKER.
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    You ain't joking. Hard rock has been overrun by the worst kind of shit for so long. Why some of these bands won't die off is beyond me. Add fucking CREED to that whole mix. UGH! Hopefully when the new VH drops people will be like "Oh, rock doesn't have to suck. I totally forgot that."
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    There's some slight value to korn.

    I mean, they're not great...but they're not "Disturbed" level. "Follow the Leader" is one of the few albums from that genre that's even really worth looking at.



    Limp Bizkit is terrible and is something that needs to be forgotten for a long time. I also toss in Godsmack as occasionally listenable playing the part of a poor man's Alice In Chains. With all due respect to William Duvall, always felt that Sully Erma should have been AIC's new lead singer.

    The wave that came out this past decade was terrible though. It was like..take grunge..and strip it of any soul and mix it in with pseudo tough guys who look like body guards for the WWE.

    Thank god for the Black Keys.

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    I know this sounds cliche...but I dropped out of current popular music in the early '90s. Back then I stuck my classic Van Halen CDs in the CD changer and said fuck the rest of this shit. I only learned of Slam Dunk because I heard it on the local "classic rock" station (not just the song, but an actual interview with Dave..while I was sitting in the car at the ATM). This was before I was on the internet all the damn time But seriously, I'm sure there were some really great bands in the 2000's, but I never heard them. And maybe I missed something - did any of it sound like Van Halen? I can only think of one band...and the Punks don't really count..but they should!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    But seriously, I'm sure there were some really great bands in the 2000's, but I never heard them. And maybe I missed something
    No, no you didn't. You could have been in a coma from 2000-2010 and not missed a fucking thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAiN View Post
    No, no you didn't. You could have been in a coma from 2000-2010 and not missed a fucking thing.
    cept the reunion of VH in 07.

    Also, Electronic Music was quite good during that time period, but if you're a fan of rock, chances are that's not too huge on your list of music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    cept the reunion of VH in 07.
    Agree 100% - I'm talking in terms of new music.. 99% of it sucked balls. Not just any balls.... wait for it...... hagar balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAiN View Post
    Agree 100% - I'm talking in terms of new music.. 99% of it sucked balls. Not just any balls.... wait for it...... hagar balls.
    But, is Hagar-sucking-balls worse than seeing Gary on-stage with the tattered remains of Van Halen?? Especially since Gary was performing the Dance Of The Flaming Assholes?? I think not

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    And just in case anyone gets the wrong idea - I wasn't sayin' Sammy was preferable to Gary...Either way they shit on Van Halen in their own special way. Enough said - thank God Dave is steering this ship!! Beers to everyone still up!

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    I'll say this much for ga y, at least he respected Dave.

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    yeah there was Dave's boutique - Diamond Dave 2002.

    and then he had the BBQ video/soundtrack which was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAiN View Post
    ga y

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    i've got a theory...

    the entire decade kinda sucked artistically in general because the explosion of information available 24/7 also resulted in a commensurate dumbing down.
    everything is there at the click of the mouse, a lot of the populace goes 'yeah, this'll do' rather than spending time and effort to find the cool gems within the chaff.
    media of course, love the lowest common denominator.

    now, i know there were some great songs/movies/books. but you had to SEARCH IT OUT.. like us old farts did b.i.t.d.

    i'm ranting, but i have a strong feeling that it's the internet's fault. now that we've all had 10 or 15 years to deal with it, maybe we're realising it's just a useful tool.
    the amount of people on here desperate for vinyl confirms my belief that analogue music media won't ever die. (i hope!).

    oh yeah; september 11 2001 didn't help either.
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    I absolutely agree with you Vain. Gary DID convince Ed to play the classic songs. And Gary didn't ever piss all over what came before him...God, I'm trying so hard to come up with something good to say about Gary's stage presence or the songs...and I got nothing. Ah, it's not even important. You are right - Gary never did, and never has, shit on Dave's legacy. Good god, that was so hard for me...I really think I need a drink now

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    Gary wasn't all that bad at all. IMHO. Look at those concert vids. he was solid.

    Read the interviews and the guitar mags at the time. Ed was really fed up with Slammy constantly writing love songs and felt pigeon holed into that type thing. the problem was he kinda let the pendulum swing to far the other direction in trying to be too serious.

    I listened to III the other day... Mike Post just didnt mix that album well at all. and should've told Gary to ease on the caffine and not shout EVERYTHING. He can sing , but he went WAYYYY out there on III.

    Extreme was heavily VH ( and Queen) influenced, and all bets should've seen Gary as a better fit than PAYGAR,...but wow did it go bad.

    sorry to interupt.
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    I'd answer the question like this:

    'Yes, the 2000s were a low point for HARD ROCK (i.e. good time, blues based party music); but they were a sensational time for heavy music - metal never looked so healthy'.

    I'm fascinated by the notion that Slipknot and System of A Down don't have lyrical skills......
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    i couldn't play any of it on my autoharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashstralia View Post
    i've got a theory...

    the entire decade kinda sucked artistically in general because the explosion of information available 24/7 also resulted in a commensurate dumbing down.
    I agree with this theory! Information overload bewilders the average person into submission, and thus the charts are filled with cheddar, the smell of acceptance! I simply cannot voice my opinions or discuss music anymore because I will almost always twist some knickers.

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    Oh yes it was a terrible decade for hard rock.There were a few great bits for me personally.I loved Paul Stanley's Live to Win and Kiss Sonic Boom,Also i really enjoyed Chinese Democracy.There was also Motley Crue Red,White & crue and Saints of Los Angeles. Aside from that nothing really great for me

    I would second Binnie though,A very good decade for Metal,Some great stuff came out.Few of my fav's are Exodus shovel headed kill machine,The last three Megadeth albums,Judas Priest Angel of Retribution and Nostradamus and Saxon Into the Labyrinth

    All those albums melt some serious face
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    Add into that:

    Dimmu Borgia
    Mastodon
    Opeth
    The Dillinger Escape Plan
    Goatwhore
    Soilent Green
    Machine Head 'The Blackening' & 'Through the Ashes of Empires'
    Testament 'The Formation of Damnation'
    Every Time I Die (if you can't party to THAT, you're insane)
    The Bronx
    Clutch (ditto Every Time I Die)
    Meshuggah
    Down 'III'


    And that's just off the top of my head. Heavy music had a rejuvenation after Nu Metal....

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Testament 'The Formation of Damnation'

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    I know this sounds cliche...but I dropped out of current popular music in the early '90s. Back then I stuck my classic Van Halen CDs in the CD changer and said fuck the rest of this shit. I only learned of Slam Dunk because I heard it on the local "classic rock" station (not just the song, but an actual interview with Dave..while I was sitting in the car at the ATM). This was before I was on the internet all the damn time But seriously, I'm sure there were some really great bands in the 2000's, but I never heard them. And maybe I missed something - did any of it sound like Van Halen? I can only think of one band...and the Punks don't really count..but they should!
    The only difference between your story and mine is we don't have drive thru ATM's here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    There's some slight value to korn.
    Their drummer.

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    The first Korn album was a game changer. No-one had made heavy music like that before.

    After that, it was the law of diminishing marginal returns for a while. Their more recent albums get panned, but they're actually more interesting now they've broken out of their own mold.

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    steel panther is the best band to come out in the last 10 years
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    I stopped listening to mainstream shit a long time ago. I search out the Indies now... there's some good rocking bands out there, you just have to dig to find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    I'm fascinated by the notion that Slipknot and System of A Down don't have lyrical skills......
    I love ya binnie, but here's what I'm talking about:

    If Green Day’s vile American Idiot built political commentary out of Lego, Mezmerize snaps it together out of Duplo (you know, that double-sized unswallowable Lego for toddlers and retarded kids). The album’s first single, B.Y.O.B., is the kind of scathing indictment of the military industrial complex that’s usually reserved for lofty literary media like bumper stickers and picket signs. Yes, we know the war is bullshit. Everyone knows the war is bullshit, even the rednecks and Republicans that pretend it isn’t bullshit. We all love to make fun of conservative politicians for speaking in platitudes, but how about lyrics like “why don’t presidents fight the war / why do they always send the poor”? Wow, slam-dunk. Now do the one about the Air Force holding a bake sale. What’s worse, the video for the song centers on the most insipid of egotistical metal clichés: the band playing to a bunch of invigorated youths as fascist police try to smash up their concert. Sorry, morons, your jackboot martyrdom is not forthcoming. You have to be hurtful to the system before you get squelched, and as it stands, you’re still funneling money to Republicans (more on that later).

    B.Y.O.B. is dumb, but the rest of the album doesn’t fare much better. “Radio/Video” is The Replacements’ “Seen Your Video,” a mere twenty years too late. This song, along with “Violent Pornography,” really illustrates System of a Down’s distaste for mainstream pop culture, to the extent that impressionable young listeners might forget that System of a Down are turning the exact same tricks as any other whores on Earth. Listen to this, teenager: The Sony Corporation is just shilling System of a Down’s rebellion to extract money from the demographic who doesn’t buy Destiny’s Child records (both artists are beholden to Sony’s Columbia Records). Regardless of System of a Down’s clumsy political posturing, they are an integral part of the system of extracting money from stupid teenagers (you) and giving it to old, rich white Republicans. Am I one of those awful idiots who hates all major-label music because of this? No, of course not, those guys are complete pussies. I just like pointing it out to youth-addled stoners who think they’re supporting something alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Their drummer.
    I was going to say him, and the bassist kind of interested me.

    again, it's not like their great or even good for that matter, they just have a slight bit of value to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    I stopped listening to mainstream shit a long time ago. I search out the Indies now... there's some good rocking bands out there, you just have to dig to find them.
    Couldn't agree more

    The nice part about social networking is you can find a relatively obscure band that just kills it. It's kinda like back in the day....head to the local record shop and find an obscure import or regional band that none of your friends know about and you're the one turning them on to it!
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    The 90's and the 00's were pretty much a blur. Not much memorable in either decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    I love ya binnie, but here's what I'm talking about:



    http://www.somethingawful.com/d/your...ystem-down.php
    I dunno, man, I guess it's all subjective.

    If we think about 'Classic Rock' or 'Hard Rock' as a genre, wouldn't we say that most of lyrics have a pretty limited subject matter: sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll? That's no bad thing - my point is that the number of 'great' lyricists in the genre is few. DLR, Bon Scott spring immediately to mind, because they put new spins on old cliches. But for the most part, hard rock lyrics spin the same old yarns.

    I actually think that the lyrics in B.Y.O.B are pretty decent. There aren't many heavy bands who would tackle the subject matter of 'Violent Pornography', and even fewer who'd write songs about the Armenian Genocide. What makes SOAD interesting is the contrasts - from war and politics to pogo sticks and banoffe pie. Unlike anyone else, really.

    As for Slipknot - some of that stuff is just uncomfortable, especially the early records. Corey Taylor was on fire back then: most people won't want to listen to songs about that kind of emotional/mental strife (which is fine), but that's not the same as those bands not being talented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    I dunno, man, I guess it's all subjective.

    If we think about 'Classic Rock' or 'Hard Rock' as a genre, wouldn't we say that most of lyrics have a pretty limited subject matter: sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll? That's no bad thing - my point is that the number of 'great' lyricists in the genre is few. DLR, Bon Scott spring immediately to mind, because they put new spins on old cliches. But for the most part, hard rock lyrics spin the same old yarns.

    I actually think that the lyrics in B.Y.O.B are pretty decent. There aren't many heavy bands who would tackle the subject matter of 'Violent Pornography', and even fewer who'd write songs about the Armenian Genocide. What makes SOAD interesting is the contrasts - from war and politics to pogo sticks and banoffe pie. Unlike anyone else, really.

    As for Slipknot - some of that stuff is just uncomfortable, especially the early records. Corey Taylor was on fire back then: most people won't want to listen to songs about that kind of emotional/mental strife (which is fine), but that's not the same as those bands not being talented.
    Although I can't see it man, I respect your view on it. I struggle listen to it. I'll give you props though. A lot of the SOAD fans I had met back in the day were angst-ridden teens. You my friend, are clearly not that, and actually looked at the lyrics. .

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    Cheers, dude.

    I've been thinking: sometimes bad lyrics add to the songs. '80s Scorpions; early Poison; Motley Crue; even latter-day Ki$$. Plenty of cheese there, but it works.....

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    Mainstream hard rock probably sucked...but some of the best progressive metal albums of all time were created...Mastodon, Opeth...Gojira, Isis etc. made great albums too, though they're not too familiar to me...Porcupine Tree.

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    Usually you can say that every decade has its timeless classics, and its useless crap.
    In the 50's, you had Elvis, Chuck Berry, and Buddy Holly, while you also had Pat Boone and Fabian.

    The 60's are remembered for The Beatles, the Stones, Hendrix, and the Doors (among others) but you also had Herman's Hermits, and countless one hit wonder bubblegum bands with dumb pseudo-psychedelic names.

    The 70's - Zeppelin, Floyd, Aerosmith, Van Halen and punk rock vs all the sappy "singer-songwriter" shit the first half of the decade and the godawful disco shit in the last half.

    The 80's - Once you lost Van Halen, The Police, and Black Flag all within the same year, it was all down hill from there. The late 80's had about three decent bands - U2, REM, and the 77s. Aside from that, you had hair band shit getting worse by every minute it was overexposed on eMpTyV, and the European "new wave" bands morphing into just more lame synth-disco. Best album of the late 80's (other than the previously mentioned bands) - NWA "Straight Outta Compton"

    Same story in the 90's, pretty much. You had some new innovation in the first half of the decade. Then Kurt was dead, Layne might as well have been, Pearl Jam got into a fight with Ticketbastard, and by the time Soundgarden split up in 1997, there was nothing left but boyband crap and rappers who kept trying to remake "Straight Outta Compton" (and failing miserably). Garth Brooks was better than anything passing as "rock" from 1997 to 2000.

    In the 2000's it has been even worse. The only decent records made have been those made by bands who were around way before 2000. Steel Panther was mentioned. What does that tell you? A parody band is better than any real band on the charts?? Some people liked The Darkness. I wasn't one of them, but then they were pretty much a parody band too.

    Now here we are, 2 years into another decade, and the best albums so far have been bonus disks of "new" material on re-released old albums from The Rolling Stones and U2, and the impending release of the first album in 28 years from Van Halen, which also seems to rely heavily on material that they wrote over 30 years ago. Hopefully these records will inspire some new bands to pick up the slack, and maybe the labels will have the good sense to sign them? (Yeah, Universal Music Group - home of U2, the Stones, and Van Halen - I'm looking right at you)
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    I don't think the 2000's sucked as much as the 90's.

    For a classic rock fan it was like a second golden age.

    Excellent albums from Iron Maiden, Heaven & Hell, Rush, Motorhead, Journey,, Ki$$ (flame on), Rush, Alice Cooper, the list goes on.

    So they might not be selling like they once did, but when did that ever mean that a record wasn't good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    In the 2000's it has been even worse. The only decent records made have been those made by bands who were around way before 2000. Steel Panther was mentioned. What does that tell you? A parody band is better than any real band on the charts?? Some people liked The Darkness. I wasn't one of them, but then they were pretty much a parody band too.
    How many 2000's albums from new bands have you actually bought? I think you haven't gone to too many new band gigs or festivals...if your impression of the 2000's is based on what sucky playlist "rock" radios play, and I think (just think, I don't know for sure) you're one of those guys who wants to lean on your old albums and albums from other old artists (nothing wrong with that, but sure your impression on 2000's music sure is worse in that case...)

    I haven't enjoyed Lamb of God or Slipknot either. But even they have good live shows...and the better, on the festivals they may headline, there are smaller great bands to enjoy and get to know. Cheers!
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