Were the 2000's the worst era for hard rock?

[Unchainme]

Their drummer.

I was going to say him, and the bassist kind of interested me.

again, it's not like their great or even good for that matter, they just have a slight bit of value to them.

[kwame k]

I stopped listening to mainstream shit a long time ago. I search out the Indies now... there's some good rocking bands out there, you just have to dig to find them.

Couldn't agree more

The nice part about social networking is you can find a relatively obscure band that just kills it. It's kinda like back in the day....head to the local record shop and find an obscure import or regional band that none of your friends know about and you're the one turning them on to it!

[Nitro Express]

The 90's and the 00's were pretty much a blur. Not much memorable in either decade.

[binnie]

I love ya binnie, but here's what I'm talking about:



http://www.somethingawful.com/d/your...ystem-down.php

I dunno, man, I guess it's all subjective.

If we think about 'Classic Rock' or 'Hard Rock' as a genre, wouldn't we say that most of lyrics have a pretty limited subject matter: sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll? That's no bad thing - my point is that the number of 'great' lyricists in the genre is few. DLR, Bon Scott spring immediately to mind, because they put new spins on old cliches. But for the most part, hard rock lyrics spin the same old yarns.

I actually think that the lyrics in B.Y.O.B are pretty decent. There aren't many heavy bands who would tackle the subject matter of 'Violent Pornography', and even fewer who'd write songs about the Armenian Genocide. What makes SOAD interesting is the contrasts - from war and politics to pogo sticks and banoffe pie. Unlike anyone else, really.

As for Slipknot - some of that stuff is just uncomfortable, especially the early records. Corey Taylor was on fire back then: most people won't want to listen to songs about that kind of emotional/mental strife (which is fine), but that's not the same as those bands not being talented.

[Unchainme]

I dunno, man, I guess it's all subjective.

If we think about 'Classic Rock' or 'Hard Rock' as a genre, wouldn't we say that most of lyrics have a pretty limited subject matter: sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll? That's no bad thing - my point is that the number of 'great' lyricists in the genre is few. DLR, Bon Scott spring immediately to mind, because they put new spins on old cliches. But for the most part, hard rock lyrics spin the same old yarns.

I actually think that the lyrics in B.Y.O.B are pretty decent. There aren't many heavy bands who would tackle the subject matter of 'Violent Pornography', and even fewer who'd write songs about the Armenian Genocide. What makes SOAD interesting is the contrasts - from war and politics to pogo sticks and banoffe pie. Unlike anyone else, really.

As for Slipknot - some of that stuff is just uncomfortable, especially the early records. Corey Taylor was on fire back then: most people won't want to listen to songs about that kind of emotional/mental strife (which is fine), but that's not the same as those bands not being talented.

Although I can't see it man, I respect your view on it. I struggle listen to it. I'll give you props though. A lot of the SOAD fans I had met back in the day were angst-ridden teens. You my friend, are clearly not that, and actually looked at the lyrics. .

[binnie]

Cheers, dude.

I've been thinking: sometimes bad lyrics add to the songs. '80s Scorpions; early Poison; Motley Crue; even latter-day Ki$$. Plenty of cheese there, but it works.....

[Golden AWe]

Mainstream hard rock probably sucked...but some of the best progressive metal albums of all time were created...Mastodon, Opeth...Gojira, Isis etc. made great albums too, though they're not too familiar to me...Porcupine Tree.

[FORD]

Usually you can say that every decade has its timeless classics, and its useless crap.
In the 50's, you had Elvis, Chuck Berry, and Buddy Holly, while you also had Pat Boone and Fabian.

The 60's are remembered for The Beatles, the Stones, Hendrix, and the Doors (among others) but you also had Herman's Hermits, and countless one hit wonder bubblegum bands with dumb pseudo-psychedelic names.

The 70's - Zeppelin, Floyd, Aerosmith, Van Halen and punk rock vs all the sappy "singer-songwriter" shit the first half of the decade and the godawful disco shit in the last half.

The 80's - Once you lost Van Halen, The Police, and Black Flag all within the same year, it was all down hill from there. The late 80's had about three decent bands - U2, REM, and the 77s. Aside from that, you had hair band shit getting worse by every minute it was overexposed on eMpTyV, and the European "new wave" bands morphing into just more lame synth-disco. Best album of the late 80's (other than the previously mentioned bands) - NWA "Straight Outta Compton"

Same story in the 90's, pretty much. You had some new innovation in the first half of the decade. Then Kurt was dead, Layne might as well have been, Pearl Jam got into a fight with Ticketbastard, and by the time Soundgarden split up in 1997, there was nothing left but boyband crap and rappers who kept trying to remake "Straight Outta Compton" (and failing miserably). Garth Brooks was better than anything passing as "rock" from 1997 to 2000.

In the 2000's it has been even worse. The only decent records made have been those made by bands who were around way before 2000. Steel Panther was mentioned. What does that tell you? A parody band is better than any real band on the charts?? Some people liked The Darkness. I wasn't one of them, but then they were pretty much a parody band too.

Now here we are, 2 years into another decade, and the best albums so far have been bonus disks of "new" material on re-released old albums from The Rolling Stones and U2, and the impending release of the first album in 28 years from Van Halen, which also seems to rely heavily on material that they wrote over 30 years ago. Hopefully these records will inspire some new bands to pick up the slack, and maybe the labels will have the good sense to sign them? (Yeah, Universal Music Group - home of U2, the Stones, and Van Halen - I'm looking right at you)

[Mr Badguy]

I don't think the 2000's sucked as much as the 90's.

For a classic rock fan it was like a second golden age.

Excellent albums from Iron Maiden, Heaven & Hell, Rush, Motorhead, Journey,, Ki$$ (flame on), Rush, Alice Cooper, the list goes on.

So they might not be selling like they once did, but when did that ever mean that a record wasn't good?

[Golden AWe]

In the 2000's it has been even worse. The only decent records made have been those made by bands who were around way before 2000. Steel Panther was mentioned. What does that tell you? A parody band is better than any real band on the charts?? Some people liked The Darkness. I wasn't one of them, but then they were pretty much a parody band too.

How many 2000's albums from new bands have you actually bought? I think you haven't gone to too many new band gigs or festivals...if your impression of the 2000's is based on what sucky playlist "rock" radios play, and I think (just think, I don't know for sure) you're one of those guys who wants to lean on your old albums and albums from other old artists (nothing wrong with that, but sure your impression on 2000's music sure is worse in that case...)

I haven't enjoyed Lamb of God or Slipknot either. But even they have good live shows...and the better, on the festivals they may headline, there are smaller great bands to enjoy and get to know. Cheers!

[Dave's Bitch]

I saw Lamb of God a few years back.They were actually pretty good live

[Zing!]

Surprised no one has mentioned Rob Zombie. He had three albums in the 2000's that were all pretty good: The Sinister Urge, Educated Horses, and Hellbilly Deluxe 2. He may record commercial metal, but anyone that tours with Alice Cooper is okay in my book.

[rockhead]

All i can say is thanks christ steve harris asked Bruce to come back.

[binnie]

I saw Lamb of God a few years back.They were actually pretty good live

'Sacrament' and 'Wrath' are bloody good albums, too.

[Dave's Bitch]

'Sacrament' and 'Wrath' are bloody good albums, too.

Sacrament was good.Never actually heard Wrath.A few other albums I liked

Alestorm - Captain Morgan's Revenge
Children Of Bodom - Follow The Reaper
Blind Guardian - A Twist In The Myth
Anthrax - We've Come for You All
W.A.S.P. - Babylon