MA on songwriting credits

[smorgdonkey]

Hey uh Pinestein.....EVH TRIED to "cut him loose" many times....wanting to replace him with Billy Sheehan as far back as FAIR WARNING.....

I've heard that story many times but I don't believe it. Ed's ego couldn't stand to have flamboyant talent like Sheehan around - that's why he was always keeping the Van Halen bass lines simple...as a contrast to his guitar playing. If he TRIED, it would have been done. He didn't try, because Mike fully supported Ed all of the time and he played what Ed told him to play. Not to mention that his backing vocals were part of the VH signature sound & that he was steady as a brick wall live.

[ZahZoo]

Agreed - MA's harmonies were an integral part of the Classic VH signature sound. That being said, this thread is a non-story for two key reasons:

• Eddie wrote all the music, while Dave wrote the lyrics for Van HALEN, and Spam-bot wrote those simulated lyrics for Van Hagar.
  
• MA signed away all rights to songwriting credits as part of the agreement he signed back in 2004.

The last bullet is wrong... Mike retained all publishing/royalty rights and song writing credits. He signed away his rights to the use of the Van Halen name, logos, images and trademarks... big difference.

[Roth & Roll]

The last bullet is wrong... Mike retained all publishing/royalty rights and song writing credits. He signed away his rights to the use of the Van Halen name, logos, images and trademarks... big difference.

I was under the understanding that he signed away rights to all future songwriting royalties and credits. I understood this to mean that while he will continue to collect royalties on releases prior to 2004, he waived any rights to future releases.

Damn, where is Guitar Shark when you need him?

[smorgdonkey]

The last bullet is wrong... Mike retained all publishing/royalty rights and song writing credits. He signed away his rights to the use of the Van Halen name, logos, images and trademarks... big difference.

That's my understanding as well. He keeps what ever he had up to the signing...just has no affiliation from that point on.

I don't know why anyone holds that signing against him - he says that he thought it would be Ed's last go and I thought that same thing. The pictures of Ed around that time were whacked-out homeless druggie sort of images. It was Ed's manipulation of him then to push him out. I don't think anyone would have guessed that he was going to put Wolfgang in his place.

[Bob_R]

Damn, where is Guitar Shark when you need him?

In all likelihood, downloading porn.

[MUSICMANN]

I don't have but one big problem with MA. Instead of being loyal to VH, he chose to side with that Red Round Fat Spammy. MA was and will always be part of VH legacy and signature sound. Just a shame he took the route that was not really in his best interest. Hey, MA is a cool dude, a nice guy, but i think really gullible. He let The fat one get in his head and caused him to make some monumental friendship mistakes with Ed and AL and Dave for that matter. I think in the near future, as this new Album really starts to heat up and the fat fucker getting more and more crazy jealous, and continue to mouth off, MA will start to finally see how he was used by that prick and cost him his place in VH.

[fourthcoming]

M.A. has always been a class act.

[chi-town324]

Ed brought in his own kid...MA was gonna be out anyway

[John Jacob]

we got a place for you here...ask Rikk...he'll show you the way...

just my low opinion of you dude. fuck off

[FORD]

Yep. It's definitely Pibbles. Prepare for departure, bitch......

[Vinnie Velvet]

FACT is that MA never had a big hand into the songwriting process in VH.

I have no doubt that the beloved harmonies that Mike was known for were melodies written by Dave.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Mike and Sam sure like to talk a lot about VH dont they?

[ZahZoo]

I was under the understanding that he signed away rights to all future songwriting royalties and credits. I understood this to mean that while he will continue to collect royalties on releases prior to 2004, he waived any rights to future releases.

Damn, where is Guitar Shark when you need him?

Correct he still gets royalties and retains publishing rights for everything released up thru BOBW and all future sales from those releases.

The key thing is he can't advertise himself as Mike Anthony of or formerly of Van Halen... same as Spammy, Gary and Dave when they were all voted off/quit Howdy Doody Mountain.

[smorgdonkey]

I don't have but one big problem with MA. Instead of being loyal to VH, he chose to side with that Red Round Fat Spammy. MA was and will always be part of VH legacy and signature sound. Just a shame he took the route that was not really in his best interest. Hey, MA is a cool dude, a nice guy, but i think really gullible. He let The fat one get in his head and caused him to make some monumental friendship mistakes with Ed and AL and Dave for that matter. I think in the near future, as this new Album really starts to heat up and the fat fucker getting more and more crazy jealous, and continue to mouth off, MA will start to finally see how he was used by that prick and cost him his place in VH.

I don't see that at all. Ed was not doing anything related to music and Sam got him to go and play bass in his band. Mike never told Ed that he quit...he probably thought that Ed was done and that's also likely why he signed away his 'future rights' with Van Halen. Ed used the tour to leverage Mike into signing. If Mike didn't sign then Ed would have just fired him outright after the tour.

The thing that I don't get in all of this is the people who say "Mike made the wrong choice" when I don't see where Mike made any choice. He played bass and he was never given an either/or. It has always been the Eddie fanatics who seemed to take that stand because they don't want to put it on Eddie. It is on Eddie.

Mike was just happy to play bass often and he made hotsauce - sure as F Haggis likes to eat and hotsauce goes with everything.

[bueno bob]

IMO, I don't think anybody's going to argue that Mike not being there at this stage of the game is pretty moronic...but that's on everybody's part, Mike, Ed, Al, Sam, and Dave are all the reason for it.

Is what it is. I moved on.