Eddie's Tone

[vanshipman]

I'm just curious what others are thinking about Eddie's tone on the new record. I think it sounds the best it has in many years. One thing I really love the most is the absence of a lot of effects, it seems to be a fairly straight ahead sound. (Outside of the wah pedal which I think has been used to great effect no pun intended...lol) And the producer squashed any use of that dang sustainer he had been abusing for the past ten years. They did a great job in capturing not just Eddies sound, but the entire band.

On an entirely different note I would like to give major thanks to the Roth Army website for really doing an outstanding job with all thats been going on as of late, and since Ive been a member. A fairly silent member, but loving every minute of the madness and fun that goes on here. Thanks.

[fourthcoming]

I couldn't agree with you more about Ed's tone. It doesn't sound like the classic brown sound so much but it definitely is darker and has more of a bite than anything since 1984. Sounds kick ass to me bro.

[Hummarstra]

I don't like it. Just doesn't have the magic of the brown sound imho. And he's over using the wha, too.

[ELVIS]

LMAO!

His sound is killer, up-to-date, and still retains some of the "brown sound."

I love it !!!

[Calderone]

LMAO!

His sound is killer, up-to-date, and still retains some of the "brown sound."

I love it !!!

Exactly !!!

[DavidLeeNatra]

LMAO!

His sound is killer, up-to-date, and still retains some of the "brown sound."

I love it !!!

[Matt White]

It's that modern MESA/RETCO tone + the EVH "Brown-sound Mojo".......

Just look at how many guitarist in DEATH METAL use his amps...either the new EVH stuff or the older PEAVEY stuff.....

EDDIE's influence is more prevalent than ever before...his thumbprint is all over modern music right now!!!

[VAiN]

I agree, his sound is the best it's been in yeeeeears.. it's saturated and fat, but defined and crisp. I applaud it!

[redfire]

Part of the deal is the fact that the 5150 III is vastly superior to the 5150 II. The 5150 II was a horrible mis-step for Ed. But as most have said, his lack of effects is most notable, with the exception of the wah pedal. The crazy distortion channel on the 5150 III is a monster. Of course, Ed would say : volume is tone, tone comes from your fingers, etc... not everyone is a professional musician and can drop several grand to buy the new wolfgang, 5150 III, and the appropriate cabinets.

[Pink Spider]

There's some Van Hagar tone on some of the music, but that's not a bad thing. The bad thing about Van Hagar was Hagar. Ed and Al's music has never been dull, even if the lyrics were.

[DavidLeeNatra]

There's some Van Hagar tone on some of the music, but that's not a bad thing. The bad thing about Van Hagar was Hagar. Ed and Al's music has never been dull, even if the lyrics were.

sorry...but "Dreams", "Why can't this be Roth" and everything else with "love" in the title sucked musically...

[Pink Spider]

sorry...but "Dreams", "Why can't this be Roth" and everything else with "love" in the title sucked musically...

Well....I can't really disagree.

But, I'm going to risk the impending swarm and potential ban. Dreams probably would have sounded good with Dave.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Well....I can't really disagree.

But, I'm going to risk the impending swarm and potential ban. Dreams probably would have sounded good with Dave.

there was a reason that 5150 was done without Dave...he didn't want to go the pussified road...

[ELVIS]

Well....I can't really disagree.

But, I'm going to risk the impending swarm and potential ban. Dreams probably would have sounded good with Dave.

All of that bullshit would have sounded way better with Dave...

Just like Blood and Fire...

Underneath is that Ripley Van Hagar sounding guitar (for lack of better words) song that you hardly even notice when you're listening to DAVID LEE FUCKING ROTH !!

[So this is love]

All of that bullshit would have sounded way better with Dave...

Just like Blood and Fire...

Underneath is that Ripley Van Hagar sounding guitar (for lack of better words) song that you hardly even notice when you're listening to DAVID LEE FUCKING ROTH !!

Even VHIII with DLR would have kicked asses.......

[SNIPER]

Well....I can't really disagree.

But, I'm going to risk the impending swarm and potential ban. Dreams probably would have sounded good with Dave.

yes, it would have sounded better just for the fact that DLR would be on it alone. But it would have still been the worst VH song.

[ELVIS]

Even VHIII with DLR would have kicked asses.......

Oh yeah, I've said that many times...

There is some really good guitar on that album...

It's just unlistenable...

[SNIPER]

There's some Van Hagar tone on some of the music, but that's not a bad thing. The bad thing about Van Hagar was Hagar. Ed and Al's music has never been dull, even if the lyrics were.

Not really, The new tone has balls, even on the "some" you speak of. VHagar tone was thin crap with a shit echo.

[ELVIS]

Ed and Al's music has never been dull, even if the lyrics were.

Yes it has...

Quite a bit of that crap was just Ed going through the same old tired motions...

Basically phonong it in...

[vanhalen1r2]

LMAO!

His sound is killer, up-to-date, and still retains some of the "brown sound."

I love it !!!

Sums it up for me.

[Seshmeister]

There's some Van Hagar tone on some of the music, but that's not a bad thing.

Crazy talk.

[vanshipman]

What I love about Eddie's playing on this album is that he got creative with his solos and riffs. On previous Hagar releases he just rehashed a lot of his favorite go to licks, on this album he sounds inspired and hungry. He knew that the world would be scrutinizing everything, and thats a good thing. When you have something to prove, it brings out the best. This album is mindblowing.

[Terry]

Far as Ed's tone, with the exception of 5150, OU812 and Van Halen III, even though it has evolved over the years I've never really had a problem with it.

I'd say right around 1984 or so, Ed's recorded/studio tone lost a slight bit of bite...perhaps a bit too processed on 1984 in comparison to the rest of the 6-pack.

Yeah...Ed's certainly using his wah quite a bit on the new stuff, eh?

I wouldn't say the guitar tone on the new stuff is too "Van Hagarish"...I mean, the difference is Roth being there and what Eddie is playing as opposed to what Ed's guitar sounds like.

[78/84 guy]

Well I think Ed sat down and said too himself if i'm going too do a whole album with Dave I need too really bring it our i'll get killed by the fans and critics !! He did !! Lots of falling down the steps and landing on his feet. His tone is great.

[Eyes of the Night]

Elvis: LMAO!

His sound is killer, up-to-date, and still retains some of the "brown sound."

I love it !!!

[SNIPER]

I am very pleased with the guitar tone, it really has the balls to back up this masterpiece. Although the songs are A+ killer no matter what I tend to believe a 51U8C.K. tone would have made it a little less stellar.

[Nitro Express]

I own a EVH 5150 III and a Peavey 5150 II. I think the 5150 III is a 5150 II with the crunch mode of the clean channel being a stand alone channel with it's own EQ's. I can get a pretty good classic sound out of both just by tweaking the knobs a bit. You have to remember both amps run on the same philosophy pioneered by Mike Soldano and that is using the preamp to shape the sound and create most the distortion. You can make a real hot rodded amp this way without blowing power tubes and transformers. It is by no means a classic Marshall plexi but you can get in that territory with the benefit of more drive when you want it. More control over your sound and more reliability.

[DavidLeeNatra]

hey VA! why not moving this thread to the "gear"-forum? or is you WMD (webmaster disease) under medication now?

[VAiN]

I own a EVH 5150 III and a Peavey 5150 II.

Well color me a little jealous.. I have an original 5150 'block letter' half stack and am very happy with it.. I'd love to plug into a 5150 III though..

[Hummarstra]

LMAO!

His sound is killer, up-to-date, and still retains some of the "brown sound."

I love it !!!

Well, we don't all have great ears. There ain't nothing "brown" about it. But, don't wanna piss on everybody's parade. Many people love Paul Gilbert's tone, too, which is shit on a stick really (but, well played, of course.)

[ashstralia]

whoa! gday eyes!

i reckon ed's sound is up to date; it's 2012 people. personally i love the wah; overall his tone is thick and strong.
as we all know, it's all in your hands anyway. ask Sir WARF, Bantonelli, or JHale about eddies tone!


stay frosty.

[DlocRoth]

Ed is on fucking fire on this album. But like Hummarstra said, it ain't the "brown" sound. Period. Point.

[Nitro Express]

Well color me a little jealous.. I have an original 5150 'block letter' half stack and am very happy with it.. I'd love to plug into a 5150 III though..

Hang onto that block letter. They already have kind of a following going. I really don't think the high gain channel on the III is all that different than what's on your amp but there is a better classic crunch similar to the 5150II and cleans on par with the 5150II. What's nice about the III is you can set all three channels the way you like them because they all have their own EQ setup. So really it's like three amps in one box.

[ELVIS]

hey VA! why not moving this thread to the "gear"-forum? or is you WMD (webmaster disease) under medication now?

Now now, be nice Natra...

We don't want any undue tension on the boards...

Now, let me find a be nice smiley...

How 'bout this...

[ELVIS]

I see there's a group hug smiley...

[ELVIS]

But like Hummarstra said, it ain't the "brown" sound. Period. Point.

I disagree...

Circle get's a square...



"coochie coochie!"

[Va Beach VH Fan]

hey VA! why not moving this thread to the "gear"-forum? or is you WMD (webmaster disease) under medication now?

I don't know what the fuck your problem is, for the last time, I did not move any of your threads....

[ELVIS]

[DavidLeeNatra]

I don't know what the fuck your problem is, for the last time, I did not move any of your threads....

man...where is the fun gone on this site...

[ZahZoo]

Ed's current tone... the lows sound like an earthy growl from the bowels of hell. Mid's are tight and not overly bright. High's cut like a knife.

Overall I find it seriously balanced across the sound spectrum on both full sweep bar chords and and single note leads. That's not an easy balance to strike...

No, it's not really the brown sound... it's fuller, cleaner, crisper and better balanced. His middle channel saturated blues tone... hell it's to die for!!!