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    Cool 11 David Lee Roths: Why loving Diamond Dave in Van Halen is not a crime



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    So often in the ’80s, we didn’t know what we had until it was long gone. Van Halen’s classic lineup held court in American rock arenas beginning in 1978 and reached artistic peak with 1984, an album that blew up the decade’s artificial and indulgent charms to totemic scale. In “Jump,” it expressed a footloose, life-loving exuberance with more bleached-coiffure swagger than most rockers muster in an entire career. Once at the top of the charts, frontman David Lee Roth dabbled in a cabaret-ready solo act, and the circus tent of rock collapsed under the weight of the massive egos it supported. Regular-joe rocker Sammy Hagar was called in to keep the machine rolling.

    It was once fashionable to write off DLR as a buffoon—I once giggled dismissively when I found my unknown band playing a venue on the same Portland, Oregon street as DLR’s in 1994. But, for my money, one of America’s greatest rock bands was never anything special once DLR had jettisoned. Certainly the most interesting character to emerge from the Sunset Strip scene, DLR can be seen as rock’s quintessential loudmouthed asshole by some. You can’t find an interview with the man that’s not exploding with vitality, humor, and almost superhuman ego. But, in this day and age—as Van Halen, complete with DLR, prepares to play the Bankers Life Fieldhouse on Feb. 22—DLR is a welcome change from the faux humility of self-important indie rockers. Love him or loathe him, David Lee Roth contains multitudes. Here are a few.

    The showman
    DLR has long seen himself as “a song and dance man,” and he has never settled for simply fulfilling the requirements of the rock aesthetic. Like KISS, the unbridled excess in his art/music is no accident, but the result of studying the greats in ’60s rock (witness VH’s great Kinks and Roy Orbison covers), Broadway musicals, the Great American Songbook, and even vaudeville. Roth is fond of telling tales of the likes of Yip Harburg, a millionaire industrialist who lost it all in the Depression only to find a rebirth as an American songwriter—that’s what inspires him. No wonder; Roth’s roots in American pop culture run deep. His uncle Manny ran Café Wha? where artists from Lenny Bruce to Bob Dylan got their start and where Roth caught the showbiz bug.

    The dancer
    Roth takes dancing (and other types of movement, such as martial arts) seriously. Sure, Michael Jackson gets all of the credit for making the moonwalk a part of the pop-R&B musician’s toolbox, and Madonna and a rash of ’80s artists brought in choreography via their videos. But Roth—like David Bowie with his mime training—brought art elements to the rock stage without losing the audience, and he literally kicked our expectations to the ceiling. He cites tap-dance legends the Nicholas Brothers as a prime influence, and he hasn’t been shy about copying their magnetic moves. He’s unabashedly and unashamedly a fan of the art form; just check out those Peter Allen dance pants in the “Tattoo” video.


    The film director
    DLR (with Van Halen advisor and manager Peter Angelus) was the visionary behind VH’s visuals, its videos, and unique image. When he went solo, his videos (albeit for novelty standards like “Just A Gigolo” and “California Girls”) had a seismic influence on MTV and a kind of broad appeal that cemented Roth as a figure in pop music. Those two videos work almost like silent films—wherein the broad, easy-to-read action rolls along like a Charlie Chaplin movie. “Gigolo” even mocks the band performance-video format via pots of burning flames and leather getups. (Both were standard at the time.) Roth’s weren’t the only videos at the time to use a prelude and postscript around the song, but they were easily among the most popular. Every time Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj release a “short film,” you can blame Diamond Dave.


    The raconteur
    Roth goes off the rails in every interview, but interestingly so. He may weave equal parts bullshit and brilliance into his stream of consciousness, but DLR’s outlook and zest for life usually operates with the tap fully open. At this point, we’ve all read hundreds of rock interviews; few interviewees are as far ahead of their interviewers as Roth.

    The author
    The 1997 book Crazy From The Heat is simply one of the most beloved, most over-the-top, unfiltered rock bios ever. It begins with Diamond Dave waking up after a tryst with a dancer, only to find he and his one-night-stand lady are covered in the legal tender she earned the night before. It’s stream-of-Dave writing for hundreds of pages. In one anecdote, he paddles a groupie with a hairbrush at her request. Is this book entirely factual? Dunno. Does Roth’s ever-present need to impress make him the only star in his movie? You bet.

    The big mouth
    DLR’s mid-song ad libs (“Hot For Teacher,” “Panama”) don’t break the tunes; they make the tunes. Roth, sensing that The Clash was taking itself a bit seriously, mocked Strummer and company from stage at the 1983 U.S. Fest: “I wanna take this time to say that this is real whiskey here ... the only people who put iced tea in Jack Daniel’s bottles is The Clash, baby!” Van Halen was paid a cool $1.5 million for the gig. While The Clash’s music has certainly stood up, which band was it that soon fired its genius guitarist and let its manager into the band?


    L.A. rock’s class clown
    Van Halen in the Roth years followed no leader and threw spitballs at the paragons of good taste. Most of the L.A. hair-metal blather that followed is woefully unsophisticated in comparison to the tongue-in-cheek of a Van Halen album. Clumsy double entendres, sleazy outfits, and over-the-top testosterone were never handled as cleverly as they were in VH’s, or DLR’s, hands.

    The EMT
    Once his career had cooled off, Roth showed the kind of chutzpah that few associate with pro rockers. He updated his certificates and licenses and got to work. Licensed as an EMT in the state of New York, Roth took hundreds of calls as a paramedic in New York City around 2004.

    The adventurer
    DLR, a student of Portuguese who claims to be fluent in Spanish as well, tells the world that he’s canoed around the island of Moorea, scaled Himalayan peaks, fallen ill in the Amazon, trekked into Papua New Guinea, and kayaked around Manhattan. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Roth may have enjoyed every flavor of rock-star excess, but his wanderlust didn’t fade.

    The Midwestern boy made good
    Indiana-born Roth says he grew up “chasing muskrats” in Newcastle, Indiana. Raised in a Jewish household, he claims got into rock in part to overcome anti-Semitic stereotypes.

    The rocker
    Because Roth’s vision wasn’t exclusive to the Sunset Strip, VH soaked up everything from surf and biker-gang culture to Latino music and the stoner scene at Ridgemont High (which counts the Van Halens as alumni). From its debut album on up to 1984, the band made bold, unsubtle records of lasting influence. In a commercial and artistic sense America’s answer to Led Zeppelin, Van Halen relied less on the blues and folk traditions, opting to expand the production dynamics, guitar wizardry, and sexual bravado blazed by the Brit rockers. All would have been for naught without Roth’s vocal range and bigger-than-life persona—the leg kicks were a bonus. That this combination dominated radio for years and inspired a thousand dumb shitty rock bands the world over isn’t his fault.



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    As far as the whole thing with The Clash and the US Festival goes, it's true that the US Festival was the last actual concert they did. No, the "Cut the Crap" tour with the scab guitarists doesn't count. But even by the US Festival, the band wasn't the same. Topper Headon was already gone. Original drummer Terry Chimes (a.k.a. Tory Crimes) had returned for the bands opening slot on The Who's so-called farewell tour, but he left again, and drummer #3 Pete Howard actually played his first gig with the band at the US Festival (and his only one with the real Clash, though he also stuck around for the scab tour)

    So I don't know whether or not they had iced tea in their Jack Daniels bottles, but I'm guessing poor Joe Strummer WANTED a drink by the time that show was over. He doesn't look happy in their set.

    Unlike Van Halen.... who look very happy (and completely shitfaced) for the entirety of their show. Dave's comment, of course, was more about The Clash complaining about being underpaid for the gig than it was actual drinking. I don't remember the specifics, but for some reason they were paid less than the other two headliners, Van Halen and David Bowie.
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    Far king cool!

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    I knew exactly what the 80's was while living it. That horrid disco and soft rock era of the late 70's ended and you started to hear something new and interesting. It was really starting to roll in right at 1978. By the time it was 1980, the revival of rock and introduction of punk, new wave and everything in between came rolling in. MTV happened back when it was fun. The PC revolution was in full swing creating lots of jobs and wealth. A lot of young people were becoming successful before they were 30.

    I hated it when people in the 90's slagged the 80's as the decade of greed. There was more greed by far in the 90's and 00's. Nobody was flipping houses and taking out crazy loans in the 80's as much. Frankly there was less lazy people and a better work ethic. It seemed like we worked hard and played hard and political correctness and the resulting guilt and shame from it hadn't rolled in. In the 90's it was a sin to have a good time or celebrate anything.

    I always knew people would look back at the 80's as a fun time. It had it's problems and cheesy moments but I had a good time for the most part. The globalists (BCE as Ford likes to call them) hadn't quite ripped the country to shreds yet and outsourced it. The banking regulations still were in affect and the crash of 87 and the S&L scandal looks calm compared to the "Let's arrest the citizens and start World War III" shit we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post

    ...and that, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Army....is why Elvis...has his own "Smiley"...


    Great post!

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    Thankya Verymuch...



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    Great post man
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    Great Stuff Elvis....... thanks for the article. !

    Another reason why loving Diamond Dave isn't a crime...he's just so sexy!....He still has LOTS of appeal left to this Blondie girl!
    Last edited by IceCreamBlondie; 02-22-2012 at 12:08 AM.

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    Article: Why loving Diamond Dave in Van Halen is not a crime

    http://www.avclub.com/chicago/articl...-in-van,69329/

    11 David Lee Roths: Why loving Diamond Dave in Van Halen is not a crime
    by John Dugan February 22, 2012

    So often in the ’80s, we didn’t know what we had until it was long gone. Van Halen’s classic lineup held court in American rock arenas beginning in 1978 and reached artistic peak with 1984, an album that blew up the decade’s artificial and indulgent charms to totemic scale. In “Jump,” it expressed a footloose, life-loving exuberance with more bleached-coiffure swagger than most rockers muster in an entire career. Once at the top of the charts, frontman David Lee Roth dabbled in a cabaret-ready solo act, and the circus tent of rock collapsed under the weight of the massive egos it supported. Regular-joe rocker Sammy Hagar was called in to keep the machine rolling.

    It was once fashionable to write off DLR as a buffoon—I once giggled dismissively when I found my unknown band playing a venue on the same Portland, Oregon street as DLR’s in 1994. But, for my money, one of America’s greatest rock bands was never anything special once DLR had jettisoned. Certainly the most interesting character to emerge from the Sunset Strip scene, DLR can be seen as rock’s quintessential loudmouthed asshole by some. You can’t find an interview with the man that’s not exploding with vitality, humor, and almost superhuman ego. But, in this day and age—as Van Halen, complete with DLR, prepares to play the United Center Feb. 24—DLR is a welcome change from the faux humility of self-important indie rockers. Love him or loathe him, David Lee Roth contains multitudes. Here are a few.

    The showman

    DLR has long seen himself as “a song and dance man,” and he has never settled for simply fulfilling the requirements of the rock aesthetic. Like KISS, the unbridled excess in his art/music is no accident, but the result of studying the greats in ’60s rock (witness VH’s great Kinks and Roy Orbison covers), Broadway musicals, the Great American Songbook, and even vaudeville. Roth is fond of telling tales of the likes of Yip Harburg, a millionaire industrialist who lost it all in the Depression only to find a rebirth as an American songwriter—that’s what inspires him. No wonder; Roth’s roots in American pop culture run deep. His uncle Manny ran Café Wha? where artists from Lenny Bruce to Bob Dylan got their start and where Roth caught the showbiz bug.

    The dancer
    Roth takes dancing (and other types of movement, such as martial arts) seriously. Sure, Michael Jackson gets all of the credit for making the moonwalk a part of the pop-R&B musician’s toolbox, and Madonna and a rash of ’80s artists brought in choreography via their videos. But Roth—like David Bowie with his mime training—brought art elements to the rock stage without losing the audience, and he literally kicked our expectations to the ceiling. He cites tap-dance legends the Nicholas Brothers as a prime influence, and he hasn’t been shy about copying their magnetic moves. He’s unabashedly and unashamedly a fan of the art form; just check out those Peter Allen dance pants in the “Tattoo” video.

    The film director

    DLR (with Van Halen advisor and manager Peter Angelus) was the visionary behind VH’s visuals, its videos, and unique image. When he went solo, his videos (albeit for novelty standards like “Just A Gigolo” and “California Girls”) had a seismic influence on MTV and a kind of broad appeal that cemented Roth as a figure in pop music. Those two videos work almost like silent films—wherein the broad, easy-to-read action rolls along like a Charlie Chaplin movie. “Gigolo” even mocks the band performance-video format via pots of burning flames and leather getups. (Both were standard at the time.) Roth’s weren’t the only videos at the time to use a prelude and postscript around the song, but they were easily among the most popular. Every time Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj release a “short film,” you can blame Diamond Dave.

    The raconteur

    Roth goes off the rails in every interview, but interestingly so. He may weave equal parts bullshit and brilliance into his stream of consciousness, but DLR’s outlook and zest for life usually operates with the tap fully open. At this point, we’ve all read hundreds of rock interviews; few interviewees are as far ahead of their interviewers as Roth.

    The author
    The 1997 book Crazy From The Heat is simply one of the most beloved, most over-the-top, unfiltered rock bios ever. It begins with Diamond Dave waking up after a tryst with a dancer, only to find he and his one-night-stand lady are covered in the legal tender she earned the night before. It’s stream-of-Dave writing for hundreds of pages. In one anecdote, he paddles a groupie with a hairbrush at her request. Is this book entirely factual? Dunno. Does Roth’s ever-present need to impress make him the only star in his movie? You bet.

    The big mouth
    DLR’s mid-song ad libs (“Hot For Teacher,” “Panama”) don’t break the tunes; they make the tunes. Roth, sensing that The Clash was taking itself a bit seriously, mocked Strummer and company from stage at the 1983 U.S. Fest: “I wanna take this time to say that this is real whiskey here ... the only people who put iced tea in Jack Daniel’s bottles is The Clash, baby!” Van Halen was paid a cool $1.5 million for the gig. While The Clash’s music has certainly stood up, which band was it that soon fired its genius guitarist and let its manager into the band?

    L.A. rock’s class clown

    Van Halen in the Roth years followed no leader and threw spitballs at the paragons of good taste. Most of the L.A. hair-metal blather that followed is woefully unsophisticated in comparison to the tongue-in-cheek of a Van Halen album. Clumsy double entendres, sleazy outfits, and over-the-top testosterone were never handled as cleverly as they were in VH’s, or DLR’s, hands.

    The EMT
    Once his career had cooled off, Roth showed the kind of chutzpah that few associate with pro rockers. He updated his certificates and licenses and got to work. Licensed as an EMT in the state of New York, Roth took hundreds of calls as a paramedic in New York City around 2004.

    The adventurer

    DLR, a student of Portuguese who claims to be fluent in Spanish as well, tells the world that he’s canoed around the island of Moorea, scaled Himalayan peaks, fallen ill in the Amazon, trekked into Papua New Guinea, and kayaked around Manhattan. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Roth may have enjoyed every flavor of rock-star excess, but his wanderlust didn’t fade.

    The Midwestern boy made good

    Indiana-born Roth says he grew up “chasing muskrats” in Newcastle, Indiana. Raised in a Jewish household, he claims got into rock in part to overcome anti-Semitic stereotypes.

    The rocker

    Because Roth’s vision wasn’t exclusive to the Sunset Strip, VH soaked up everything from surf and biker-gang culture to Latino music and the stoner scene at Ridgemont High (which counts the Van Halens as alumni). From its debut album on up to 1984, the band made bold, unsubtle records of lasting influence. In a commercial and artistic sense America’s answer to Led Zeppelin, Van Halen relied less on the blues and folk traditions, opting to expand the production dynamics, guitar wizardry, and sexual bravado blazed by the Brit rockers. All would have been for naught without Roth’s vocal range and bigger-than-life persona—the leg kicks were a bonus. That this combination dominated radio for years and inspired a thousand dumb shitty rock bands the world over isn’t his fault.

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