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    NFL: Saints Defense Had 'Bounty' Fund, Roger Goodell Clearly Not Amused

    Saints D Kept Bounty Fund

    Saints maintained a bounty program during 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons.

    By Adam Schefter ESPN

    Between 22 and 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints, as well as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, maintained a "bounty" program funded primarily by players in violation of NFL rules during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, the NFL announced Friday.

    The investigation by the league's security department determined that an improper "pay for performance" program included "bounty" payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.

    In some cases, the amounts pledged were both significant and directed against a specific opposing player, according to the league's investigation.

    Saints general manager Mickey Loomis failed to stop the bounty program when directed to do so by team owner Tom Benson, while coach Sean Payton was aware of the allegations but did not pursue them or take steps to stop the "bounty" program, according to the investigation's findings.

    Saints general manager Mickey Loomis failed to stop the bounty program when directed to do so by team owner Tom Benson, while coach Sean Payton was aware of the allegations but did not pursue them or take steps to stop the "bounty" program, according to the investigation's findings.

    "I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the 'pay for performance' program while I was with the Saints," Williams said in a statement. "It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again."

    The findings, corroborated by multiple independent sources, have been presented to commissioner Roger Goodell, who will determine the appropriate discipline.

    "It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated," Goodell said in a statement. "We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent. We have more work to do and we will do it."

    Goodell has advised the Saints that he will hold proceedings to determine potential discipline against the team and the individuals involved, and confer with the players' union regarding the appropriate punishment. That discipline could include fines, suspensions and the forfeiture of draft choices.

    "I have been made aware of the NFL's findings relative to the 'Bounty Rule' and how it relates to our club. I have offered and the NFL has received our full cooperation in their investigation," Benson said in a statement. "While the findings may be troubling, we look forward to putting this behind us and winning more championships in the future for our fans."

    According to the investigation, the players regularly contributed cash into a pool and received improper cash payments of two kinds from the pool, based on their play in the previous week's game.

    Williams administered the program with the knowledge of other defensive coaches and occasionally contributed funds, according to the league investigation.

    Payments were made for plays such as interceptions and fumble recoveries. But the program also included "bounty" payments for "cart-offs," meaning that the opposing player was carried off the field, and "knockouts," meaning that the opposing player was not able to return.

    The investigation showed that the total amount of funds in the pool may have reached $50,000 or more at its height during the 2009 playoffs. The program paid players $1,500 for a "knockout" and $1,000 for a "cart-off," with payouts doubling or tripling during the playoffs.

    "The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for 'performance,' but also for injuring opposing players," Goodell said in a statement. "The bounty rule promotes two key elements of NFL football: player safety and competitive integrity."

    The NFL has a longstanding rule prohibiting "non-contract bonuses," and they violate both the league constitution and bylaws and the collective bargaining agreement with the players' union. Clubs are advised every year of this rule in a memo from the commissioner.

    "Our investigation began in early 2010 when allegations were first made that Saints players had targeted opposing players, including Kurt Warner of the Cardinals and Brett Favre of the Vikings," Goodell said in a statement. "Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals.

    "At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven," Goodell said.

    "We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season."

    According to the NFL investigation, Benson was not initially aware of the bounty program and directed Loomis to make sure it was discontinued immediately. The evidence showed Loomis did not do so, investigators found.

    "Similarly, when the initial allegations were discussed with Mr. Loomis in 2010, he denied any knowledge of a bounty program and pledged that he would ensure that no such program was in place. There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices," according to the league's findings.

    Payton "was not a direct participant in the funding or administration of the program," according to the investigation.

    However, Payton "was aware of the allegations, did not make any detailed inquiry or otherwise seek to learn the facts, and failed to stop the bounty program. He never instructed his assistant coaches or players that a bounty program was improper and could not continue," the investigation found.

    The investigation included the review of approximately 18,000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages, interviews of a wide range of individuals and the use of outside forensic experts to verify the authenticity of key documents.
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    Memo from Roger Goodell to NFL Owners

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    In the following memo from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to the league's owners, obtained by ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, Goodell advises the owners that league investigators found the Saints ran a 'bounty' program, in violation of league rules.
    As you know, league rules have long prohibited payment of non-contract bonuses -- often referred to as "bounties." These payments are prohibited whether offered generally, or in the context of a particular game or a player's performance against a particular team. Such payments are contrary to rules relating to player contracts and the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and present a serious threat to the integrity of the game.

    A particularly damaging form of bounty payment involves targeting an opposing player and offering payments for acts directed against that player.

    Our office will shortly issue a press release based on the attached confidential report setting forth the key findings of a lengthy investigation into allegations that players on the New Orleans Saints violated the bounty rule during the 2009-11 seasons, and did so with the knowledge and assistance of certain members of the coaching staff.

    These allegations first arose during the playoffs following the 2009 season. Despite a prompt response, NFL Security could not substantiate the allegations, in part because players declined to provide any information. During the latter part of the 2011 season, we received additional information that led us to reopen the investigation.

    Over the past three months, our staff has reviewed some 18,000 documents and conducted multiple interviews. The findings in the accompanying documents are corroborated by multiple independent sources.

    The investigation established that Saints defensive players regularly contributed cash into a pool, from which players received cash payments for certain achievements, including interceptions, fumble recoveries, etc. But players also received cash payments for "knock-outs" and "cart-offs" -- plays on which an opposing player was forced to leave the game. These cash awards were in the $1,000 to $1,500 range. Funds were also occasionally contributed by at least one assistant coach.

    This conduct obviously has no place in our game and I intend to take all steps necessary to make sure that it stops immediately. Each owner should promptly review this matter with his coaching staff to make sure that this or any related impermissible activity is not taking place at his club.

    Throughout this process, we have received the full cooperation of Saints owner Tom Benson. There is no information suggesting that club ownership knew of or approved these actions.

    I will hold further proceedings before imposing discipline and will, of course, advise all clubs of any disciplinary action. We will discuss this matter at the upcoming Annual Meeting.

    Any club with questions may contact Jeff Pash or me.

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    I don't know why this is surprising or alarming. The NFL is becoming a league of thugs just like the NBA. Most of these clowns would knock an opposing player out of a game bounty or no bounty, just to be "cool" and impress their bros on the sideline. I'm sure that many (if not all) of the teams in the NFL have something similar between players they probably meet up at the club and settle up after the game, buying each other meals or drinks for guys who knock out opposing players, just without coaches and team personel being involved.
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    If im James Harrison i cant wait to see what fucking happens here...
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    Colts QB Peyton Manning's injury has link to 'BountyGate'



    As "BountyGate'' swirls around Gregg Williams and the New Orleans Saints, it's appropriate to wonder whether the controversial actions of the team's longtime defensive coordinator ever had an impact on the Indianapolis Colts.

    Former Colts coach Tony Dungy votes "yes.''

    "I know they had them in Tennessee,'' Dungy told ProFootballTalk.com via text.

    "Them'' would be bounties endorsed by Williams for his defensive players, financial incentives earned for big hits or tackles that sent an opposing player from the game.

    The results of a lengthy investigation released Friday by the NFL disclosed a bounty system that was overseen by Williams, the Saints' defensive coordinator. Significant penalties are expected, including fines, suspensions and the loss of draft picks.

    Williams was the defensive coordinator with the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans from 1990 to 2000. During that stretch, the only time Manning faced the Williams-led defense was the AFC division round playoff game after the 1999 season. It was uneventful in terms of controversial hits.

    However, there's much more historical background.

    During an appearance on NBC's "Football Night in America" during the 2011 preseason, Dungy said he believed the origin of Manning's neck issues was a 2006 regular-season game against Washington. On a second-quarter pass attempt, a Redskins defender hit Manning low. Then defensive end Phillip Daniels came in high and awkwardly snapped Manning back, ripping off his helmet.

    Manning remained down for a few seconds and grabbed his right shoulder. He remained in the game, but there was no penalty on the play despite the violent contact to Manning's head.

    The Redskins' defensive coordinator: Gregg Williams.

    Prior to the Colts facing the Saints in Super Bowl XLIV after the 2009 season, Williams caused a stir with comments to a Nashville radio station. The primary objective of the Saints' defense, he said, was to hit Manning as often as possible. He referred to them as "remember me'' hits.

    "You hope he doesn't get back up and play again,'' Williams said. "You kill the head, and the body will die. You hit the quarterback, and the whole team feels it.''


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    Don't be surprised if Sean Payton is suspended for the entire season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_R View Post
    Don't be surprised if Sean Payton is suspended for the entire season.
    ** Pats self on shoulder **

    Sean Payton suspended for one year!

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    Nicely called, Bob. You sure as shit nailed that one!

    Saints' Payton suspended for season by NFL

    By HOWARD FENDRICH | Associated Press

    New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton was suspended without pay for the 2012 season by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, and former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was banned indefinitely on Wednesday because of the team's bounty program that targeted opposing players.

    Handing down sweeping and serious punishment for a system that paid out thousands of dollars when hits knocked specific opponents out of games, Goodell also suspended Saints general manager Mickey Loomis for the first eight regular-season games next season, and assistant coach Joe Vitt for the first six games.

    In addition, Goodell fined the Saints $500,000 and took away their second-round draft picks this year and next.

    After the NFL first made its investigation public on March 2, Williams admitted to — and apologized for — running the program as the Saints' defensive coordinator from 2009-11. He was hired by the St. Louis Rams this offseason.

    Goodell will review Williams' status after the upcoming season and decide whether he can return to the league.

    The Saints now must decide who will coach the team while Payton is barred, his suspension is effective April 1, and who will make roster moves while Loomis is out. After the NFL made clear that punishments were looming, Payton and Loomis took the blame for violations that they acknowledged "happened under our watch" and said Saints owner Tom Benson "had nothing to do" with the bounty pool, which reached as much as $50,000 in 2009, the season the Saints won the Super Bowl.

    The NFL said payoffs went to 22 to 27 defensive players for inflicting game-ending injuries on targeted opponents, including quarterbacks Brett Favre and Kurt Warner. "Knockouts" were worth $1,500 and "cart-offs" $1,000, with payments doubled or tripled for the playoffs.

    All payouts for specific performances in a game, including interceptions or causing fumbles, are against NFL rules. The NFL warns teams against such practices before each season, although in the aftermath of the revelations about the Saints, current and former players from various teams talked about that sort of thing happening frequently — although not on the same scale as the NFL found in New Orleans.

    Punishment for any Saints players involved will be determined later, because the league is still reviewing the case with the NFL Players Association.

    So far, though, the discipline for the Saints' involvement in the bounty scheme is more far-reaching than what Goodell did in 2007, when the NFL came down on the New England Patriots for illegally videotaping an opponent. Goodell fined the Patriots $250,000, stripped a first-round draft pick, and docked their coach, Bill Belichick, $500,000 for what was known as "Spygate."

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    wow...
    remember when the Saints were the NFL's feel good team a few years ago.
    Looks like Spags might get his second chance to prove his salt as a HC.
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    they are fucked next year..no coach and lost ( 2) 2nd round picks
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    Quote Originally Posted by chi-town324 View Post
    they are fucked next year..no coach and lost ( 2) 2nd round picks
    AND on the business end of some shitty karma. Every team they play will be gunning for retribution. They'll be next years Colts...IF they're even that lucky....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_R View Post
    ** Pats self on shoulder **

    Sean Payton suspended for one year!
    And he doesn't get paid for the period of suspension, which basically amounts to a $7.5 Million dollar fine. He lied to the league and to his owner...his suspensipn is well deserved. He has been made an example of.

    Jeremy Shockey is supposedly one of the main tell-alls here. We'll see.

    Player suspensions coming once the NFLPA looks at them. In addition to defensive players, should team captains like Brees be penalized also? You can't tell me he didn't know about this. He wants an explanation about Payton's punishment. Hell yes he does: his ass is on the barb-wire fence also.

    The one entity that probably got screwed is the Rams. They're out a DC now. Jeff Fisher says he didn't know about any of this when he hired Williams. Maybe true, maybe not.
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    Goodell continues to be inconsistent and full of hypocrisy....

    Where was the hammer when Terrell Suggs FREELY ADMITTED that the Ravens had bounties on both Rashard Mendenhall and Hines Ward in their game in 2008....

    And what happened in that game?? Well what do ya know, Mendenhall got knocked out for the year with a shoulder injury by Ray Lewis....

    No fine. No suspension. Nothing.
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    Maybe Goodell figured Menstrualhall is just a wuss and a injury is a foregone conclusion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFM_Dale View Post
    Maybe Goodell figured Menstrualhall is just a wuss and a injury is a foregone conclusion?
    Oh, I agree with that Dale. Have NEVER liked that fucker. I think Redman is a MUCH better RB.....

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    I've fucking hated Greg Williams ever since he was introduced as the Buffalo Bills' head coach, and went on-and-on about how super organzied he was and color coded his day in a big, gay planner. He always struck me as an arrogant, smarmy douche and he deserves being thrown out of football...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I've fucking hated Greg Williams ever since he was introduced as the Buffalo Bills' head coach, and went on-and-on about how super organzied he was and color coded his day in a big, gay planner. He always struck me as an arrogant, smarmy douche and he deserves being thrown out of football...
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    The NFL suspended four players Wednesday for their roles in the New Orleans Saints' bounty system, including linebacker Jonathan Vilma for the entire 2012 season.

    In addition to Vilma, defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) was suspended eight games, defensive Will Smith four games and linebacker Scott Fujita (now with the Cleveland Browns) three games.

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    I guess Vilma actually set the bounties and collected the money......thats why he got a year

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