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    'International Permission’ Trumps Congressional Permission For Military Actions





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    Let me tell the world something...

    FUCK THESE FUCKING BASTARDS !@!!!!

    This fucking sold out country is finished !!

    It's over unless people wake up and take our country back !!!



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    FUCK PANETTA !!!!!

    Jesus EFFING Christ !!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Let me tell the world something...

    FUCK THESE FUCKING BASTARDS !@!!!!

    This fucking sold out country is finished !!

    It's over unless people wake up and take our country back !!!


    It's all about putting the US under the control of the UN. Hillary just agreed to the UN small arms ban treaty. The current batch of politicians are pretty much gonzo. Only a very small minority are upholding the supreme law of the land. The thing is everything they are doing is blatantly illegal but they are just going ahead with their agenda thinking most of us have no clue what our rights are or will do anything about it. We no longer have a functioning constitutional government so it's going to be the citizens that are going to have to stand up and tell them to shove it and refuse to cooperate. It's time to grow a pair people.

    I don't think they have enough muscle to enforce martial law. They might start harassing certain groups here and there. What they will probably do is declare a bank holiday and seize people's bank accounts. Homeland Security is set up to do exactly that. Oh well. I saw this coming down the pike and prepared for it.
    Last edited by Nitro Express; 03-08-2012 at 04:51 AM.

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    I think with all the banking scams surfacing the powers that be just have to take things over by force because their money deception games are being exposed. They have ruined their own banking system due to rampant speculation and leverage. Then the flow of foreign money has been cut off. So the FED prints funny money but that is only good in the US and Bernanke avoids hyperinflation by keeping the new money off market and only trading it between the big banks and corporations. This is why we have a rallying DOW Jones Industrial Average and huge unemployment numbers. It's just nothing more than financial hocus pocus. At the end of the day you have to grab real power and this is what they are trying to do because they are desperate.

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    Are you posting from your nuclear shelter in the woods?

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    This is ILLEGAL!!!

    This is a blatent treasonous takeover of the government and country...

    It is CLEAR grounds for impeachment...

    But none of the pussies here care...

    Nitro is the only member here that understands what is going on...

    And Dr. Love, I believe...



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    Welcome to the club, E!

    Now you know how we felt during the 8 years of Dubya!

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    No dude, you don't get it...

    This is the UN taking over the government and the military...

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    Yes, I get it and I got it years before you got a clue, bro!

    This is nothing new!

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    Yes it is!

    George Bush had CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL for what he did...

    Fast foward to two minutes and fourty seconds and pay attention!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Are you posting from your nuclear shelter in the woods?
    No. I work with organizations full of millions of people who realize what our government leaders are doing now is blatantly illegal and not as powerful as they want us to believe they are. Like I said, they have all this propaganda trying to scare people into just taking it so they won't be arrested but in reality, they have no way to completely reinforcing it.

    It's a bunch of bankers that bought a bunch of dumb politicians and they infiltrated parts of the government at high levels and they are trying to have their way. This has pretty much been going on in the US for the last 100 years ever since the Federal Reserve Bank charter was set up. It was a 100 year charter too. It expires next year. In short it's a rogue banking system with roque patsy politicians trying to keep something completely based on bullshit afloat with leaks spewing out all over the world here and there. They have saber rattled Iran for ten years. They need a big ass war. It's the only card they have left to play but people aren't buying it. The cat is out of the bag. It's OZ with a bunch of geriatric old fucks behind the curtain trying to scare everyone. We will take your money away! We will arrest you! The terrorists are coming! A flu pandemic is coming! Anything to make us think we need to quiver in fear and give them more power. It's nothing but a blatant in the open power grab now and everyone is seeing it and that is a good thing.

    Who really hold the cards in this country are the citizens themselves. We have a supreme document outlining the laws of the land. When our leaders break those laws we just need to say FUCK YOU! You are breaking the law and we aren't doing shit. It's that simple and we don't even need to elect the next so called supermen to do it. They don't have enough power to make us do shit all they can hope to do is trick us into doing what they want and that is what their media propaganda is for. They will try and stir race riots, fan the flames of class warfare, anything to keep the masses divided. They have already tried. It's not working.

    They would actually love everyone to go into a nuclear proof bunker. No opposition and they can finish taking over. Nope, we need to be in their face and off their corrupt bullshit system.
    Last edited by Nitro Express; 03-08-2012 at 01:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    Welcome to the club, E!

    Now you know how we felt during the 8 years of Dubya!
    The whole Republican vs. Democrat thing is so passe. It no longer counts. It's who sides with the US Constitution and who does not at this point my friend.

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    Exactly, Nitro...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    Yes, I get it and I got it years before you got a clue, bro!

    This is nothing new!
    Like it or not, W had Congressional permission for Afghanistan and Iraq.


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    Elvis is correct: Obama is a traitorous fuck for even thinking about getting permission from an assinine world body like the UN before deciding US policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It's all about putting the US under the control of the UN. Hillary just agreed to the UN small arms ban treaty. The current batch of politicians are pretty much gonzo. Only a very small minority are upholding the supreme law of the land. The thing is everything they are doing is blatantly illegal but they are just going ahead with their agenda thinking most of us have no clue what our rights are or will do anything about it. We no longer have a functioning constitutional government so it's going to be the citizens that are going to have to stand up and tell them to shove it and refuse to cooperate. It's time to grow a pair people.

    I don't think they have enough muscle to enforce martial law. They might start harassing certain groups here and there. What they will probably do is declare a bank holiday and seize people's bank accounts. Homeland Security is set up to do exactly that. Oh well. I saw this coming down the pike and prepared for it.
    I'm not sure about the seizing of bank accounts, but the rest of Nitro's post is dead on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    Elvis is correct: Obama is a traitorous fuck for even thinking about getting permission from an assinine world body like the UN before deciding US policy.
    You seem to forget that the entire BCE case for invading Iraq (the second time) was based on Saddam Hussein allegedly violating a UN resolution concerning WMDs.

    In reality, since it turned out he didn't have any such weapons, he probably didn't actually violate the UN resolution either. But that WAS Chimpy's argument. Based on violations of an international body.
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    That's totally different, FORD and you know it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    This is ILLEGAL!!!

    This is a blatent treasonous takeover of the government and country...

    It is CLEAR grounds for impeachment...

    But none of the pussies here care...

    Nitro is the only member here that understands what is going on...

    And Dr. Love, I believe...


    oh, the knuckleboner understands what's going on. it's just that in my understanding the sky's blue. sorry.

    and jesus christ is this a non-issue.

    he said, the U.S. acts militarily when 1) invited by another country (gulf war); 2) out of national security (afghanistan); or 3) under U.N. law (iraq war). he NEVER says that the U.S. is beholden to international law. this as an "issue" is absolutely pathetic.
    Last edited by knuckleboner; 03-09-2012 at 06:43 PM.

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    No it isn't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I don't think they have enough muscle to enforce martial law.
    Not in THIS part of the world. Nobody has that kind of muscle. We ALL have plenty of guns and know how to use them.

    I would add to this thread but Nitro has my thoughts covered in their entirety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbranton View Post
    I would add to this thread but Nitro has my thoughts covered in their entirety.
    That is truly a scary thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    No it isn't...
    you're going to need a little more than that. see, i explained what the guy actually said, and didn't say. i'm going to need a "why" from you.

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    You see, that "kinetic military action" in Libya that was supposed to take "days, not weeks", but took nearly a year, was in fact WAR in the mind of sane americans...

    So now we have Panetta basically telling congress that he and Oblama can perform another "kinetic military action" in Syria having "options" regarding where authorization might come from...

    Well, knuckleheader...

    That authorization can only legally come from the Congress of the United States...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    This is ILLEGAL!!!

    This is a blatent treasonous takeover of the government and country...

    It is CLEAR grounds for impeachment...

    But none of the pussies here care...

    Nitro is the only member here that understands what is going on...

    And Dr. Love, I believe...


    You're completely insane. Nothing will make you happy. Would you prefer we blundered into Iraqs and Vietnams without the slightest inclination that these things are not very good ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    oh, the knuckleboner understands what's going on. it's just that in my understanding the sky's blue. sorry.

    and jesus christ is this a non-issue.

    he said, the U.S. acts militarily when 1) invited by another country (gulf war); 2) out of national security (afghanistan); or 3) under U.N. law (iraq war). he NEVER says that the U.S. is beholden to international law. this as an "issue" is absolutely pathetic.
    Say that again reeeaaallllyyyy sllllooooowwwww for these mouthbreathing 'tards lookin' to nitpick at the slightest excuse so they can rationalize voting for Rummny while holding their nose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    You see, that "kinetic military action" in Libya that was supposed to take "days, not weeks", but took nearly a year, was in fact WAR in the mind of sane americans...
    Gaddafi fell seven months after declaration of the no-fly-zone with most of the heavy fighting after six...

    So now we have Panetta basically telling congress that he and Oblama can perform another "kinetic military action" in Syria having "options" regarding where authorization might come from...
    Um, no. He's just heading off the notion that any possible military action would a unilateral U.S. one...

    Well, knuckleheader...

    That authorization can only legally come from the Congress of the United States...
    Actually, the Executive branch has options for conducting limited military incursions without Congressional authorization, though that is not recommended...

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    Dude, they are marching our troops into world war three against the will of "we the people" or our representatives....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Say that again reeeaaallllyyyy sllllooooowwwww for these mouthbreathing 'tards lookin' to nitpick at the slightest excuse so they can rationalize voting for Rummny while holding their nose....
    I'm not voting for Ro-money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    You're completely insane. Nothing will make you happy. Would you prefer we blundered into Iraqs and Vietnams without the slightest inclination that these things are not very good ideas.
    Easy fix. If we want to commit acts of war, then we should declare war first.

    The reason it doesn't happen is that (outside of Afghanistan in 2001) the Congress wouldn't pass declarations of war because the majority of the people would be opposed.
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Dude, they are marching our troops into world war three against the will of "we the people" or our representatives....
    nick is right.

    whether it's right or wrong, it's nothing new. under your argument the country's been fucked since korea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    under your argument the country's been fucked since korea...
    There is an argument there...

    But the federal government is like a dog, give an inch and they take a mile...

    Time to reel some of this crap in...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    Easy fix. If we want to commit acts of war, then we should declare war first.

    The reason it doesn't happen is that (outside of Afghanistan in 2001) the Congress wouldn't pass declarations of war because the majority of the people would be opposed.
    i would strongly support a law that broadly defined what constituted military action and required any president to get congressional authorization after a very short time period. i think i'd set it at a month. as opposed to the current near-indefinite permissible actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    There is an argument there...

    But the federal government is like a dog, give an inch and they take a mile...

    Time to reel some of this crap in...


    fair enough. though i was just trying to point out that if you're really upset about the situation outlined in the original post, then you should've been really upset for your entire life, since these things have been going on since the 40s. it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't improve. but it also doesn't mean the situation is so much different than before. it's not.

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    It's getting more and more that the gederal government seems to think it can do whatever it wants...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Dude, they are marching our troops into world war three against the will of "we the people" or our representatives....
    What does that have to do with the trite statements above? The gov't has always done that! WTF does U.N. rhetoric have to do with anything? Remember a war called Korea? We even fought under the U.N. flag, and that was in the very early 1950's. I think it would be hard to argue that led to any sort of "one world gov't" conspiracy crap...

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