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Good for you Joe. I didn't think much of you but you are saying the right things here.
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Good for you Joe. I didn't think much of you but you are saying the right things here.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar! -
Good for Joe......A+ on rhetoric!
I love how some of the Neocons are all up in arms about Libya, yet were the biggest cheerleaders here about going to war with Iraq. I believe several members here were saying, "Fuck the Sand Ni*****!', "Nuke 'em", and the like.
Sure, Bush got Congressional approval but he blatantly lied to Congress to get it. Fact!
This brings up the War Powers Resolution again!
The War Powers Resolution came about because Presidents were skirting Congress to war in Korea and Vietnam.....Nixon actually vetoed it but Congress overruled that veto and passed it.
Presidents have tried to challenge the Resolution numerous times and have failed.......it's a cluster fuck of a Resolution and Congress itself uses it when it's advantageous to it's agenda.
Lebanon, The Gulf War I, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti and Yugoslavia have all fallen under certain provisions in War Powers Resolution.
Clinton even tried to use a loophole saying that by Congress approving a budget for bombing Kosovo they had in fact given consent by budget approval.
I'm all for checks and balances but the War Powers Resolution has done little, if anything, to curtail Presidents who want to bomb/invade someone.
Do we honor our international agreements with NATO like we did in Libya?
Do we allow a President to blatantly lie to us like in Iraq, to get Congressional approval and when verifiable evidence proves he did lie..... do we let him off the hook?
So far the answer seems to be yes on all accounts, most Presidents in the last 40 years have used it and or abused it.
I personally believe the course we took in Libya was the right course and should be continued in other places around the world. Too bad we have a Congress who's stated goal is to make Obama a one term President at the expense of us and the world. We could solve a ton of problems easily with a little cooperation but that doesn't seem to be the goal right now.
The criteria seems very simple, when the masses rise up against it's leaders and they are being massacred/tortured by a Dictator using overwhelming military force.....why not throw a few bombs at their military and give the people a fighting chance. Whether they choose a Western style Democracy or decide something completely different isn't the issue or our business. Wouldn't the people look at us as a friend if we helped? We give the people a fighting chance for freedom.....you know, like France did for us.
Invading and occupying countries doesn't seem to work.......rarely has it ever. Our role in the world is different now than even 15 years ago. We can't be Isolationists because that doesn't work. We can't be Imperialist because that doesn't work, either. We need a foreign policy that works. We have the technology to bomb anyone, anywhere back to the stone age if we so desire. It's a relatively cheaper solution in terms of costs and American lives.
We haven't followed the Constitution for certain wars, we've abused the War Powers Resolution for others. It seems to me a different solution is needed. We'll never get it, though
Originally posted by vandeleurE- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
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How lovely, splicing a 2007 video and editing it to make it sound like he's talking about Obama, when in fact he was talking about Bush.....
Here's the original video....
Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee RothComment
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Yep. I remember Biden specifically mentioning Chimpeachment if he started a third PNAC war.
Considering that even Mossad officials have recently gone on record and admitted that Iran is no threat to Israel (let alone the United States) I don't know why those guys don't just do themselves a favor and take out that paranoid Likudist bitch NuttyYahoo and put an end to this hysterical bullshit.Last edited by FORD; 03-13-2012, 03:24 PM.Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
Justice Democrats
"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992Comment
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I really can't think of a war since World War II we really needed to get involved in. It all seems to revolve around the opium trade, oil, and feeding the military contractors who needed to justify their existence. Syria and Iran seems to be the jumping off point to changing our program here or World War III. All this waring has done nothing but drain the resources of our country over the last half century. A few benefit most of us lose. Honestly, go around the world and other than a few little spats here and there most the world is tired of war. I just see it at NATO Gone Wild. Since the cold war ended it's been trying to justify it's existence.
Libya was just another oil grab. The so called arab spring has turned out to be a disaster. As I said the Islamic Brotherhood are now in control. Nobody in their right mind would go to Egypt on a vacation now.
It used to be the US and NATO could throw it's weight around but we are at the point now that if we continue to do it, other super powers will be militarily drawn in. It could snowball into a nuclear war. Right now what's at stake is a lot more than bombing some brown people and then claiming we are trying to help them in the process.Last edited by Nitro Express; 03-13-2012, 04:25 PM.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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Either way, fuck Osamabama...Comment
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Nice try Forrest.......
If you're too stupid to go back and read the 100's of posts here with links and you know, those pesky things called facts, just proves how much of a complete idiot your are.......I'll use one out of your playbook, prove me wrong.
Here I'll make it easy for you.....let's start with yellow cake!
Your turn, Forrest!
How in the fuck can you get from Iraq to Libya or Syria?
Libya was on the news showing the protests, with witnesses being interviewed, same as Syria.
You've had massive head trauma at one point, haven't you?Last edited by kwame k; 03-13-2012, 06:04 PM.Originally posted by vandeleurE- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first placeComment
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