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SunisinuS (04-12-2012)
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I'd almost agree, but then I'd feel like I was buying into the whole fucked up "wild west/shoot 'em up" mentality that's in part responsible for this shit.
I'm all for being armed to protect your home from intruders, but that wasn't the case here. And it's a pretty safe bet getting into a public shootout with an armed pussy like Zimmerman would likely result in (more) innocent lives being lost...
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FORD (04-11-2012)
Being armed doesn't mean that you're dangerous. Everybody should be prepared to defend their home - and yes, home invasions occur on a regular basis in every part of the country. But what if you're at the Walmart, you just put your kid in the car seat and some punk comes up and tries to carjack you? Happened twice within the last two years within 20 miles of where I'm sitting. Everybody should be prepared to defend themselves. Whether it's a legally acquired handgun or pepper spray. But there's a difference between being prepared to defend yourself and going and looking for trouble.
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So, by basically summarily executing people in the streets, we're going to stop crimes? Really?
How about the kid was probably innocent and had no criminal record, and the asshole just murdered him while plenty of rapes and theft took place around his fair city. A murder did too, apparently...
Really? Examples?This scenario happens a lot.
Racist or not, he clearly makes an obvious statement tantamount to taking the law into his own hands...And if he were just a murderous racist, why did he call 911 in the first place?
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Why does everybody care about this? Why is it so important??? People get killed every day in America and nobody blinks an eye. And how important it is depends on what part of the country you live in. South Central L.A. - it would be another homicide. Period. Why is it so fucking important? Ok, I'll say it, Zimmerman saw some dude that he thought was suspicious. He called the law and he was told NOT to follow the kid. Plain and simple. Zimmerman should have LET IT GO because the kid wasn't doing anything illegal. The only reason this is EVEN on the news is because Zimmerman is half-white and he shot a black guy. That's IT. I'm just saying, if this young man had been shot by another black guy in the streets of L.A. you would never have heard about it. Plain and simple.
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ELVIS (04-12-2012)
I'm not saying that Zimmerman shot this guy legally, not at all. But I just don't understand why this case means so much to people all over the country. Why does anybody care??? And if you really, really care...then why don't you jump up and piss and moan every single time a person is killed in this country??????? Why not? Why? Where were your cries of outrage when a 7 year old little girl was gunned down in L.A.? Where were your cries of outrage when a Subway was held up at gunpoint in Charlotte, and the guy behind the counter shot the fucking shit out of the perps? What should HE have done? Laid down and took it up the fucking ass? Or took it to the back of the head, just so some lowlife piece of shit could collect 37 dollars and move on to the next easy target?
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Look I think they are doing this to save face. On the news last night the "Chief Legal Corespondent" said it would be very difficult to convict Zimmerman based on eye witness accounts etc. Unfornuatly I don't think the guy will get convicted but at least "justice" will have been served.
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I'd figure I'd blown my own chances of one by
A) Ignoring the directive NOT TO FOLLOW the "suspicious" dude munching on skittles in the rain
B) Uttered a racial epithet prior to persuing (yeah, please show me where the **** that's been debunked, haven't seen that)
C) Went into hiding after
D) Intentionally suspended contact with my lawyers
E) Started a pity-party website that had prominently posted a picture of a vandalized black community center with my name on it - after being accused of being a racist
F) Contacted Scum Hannity
Shall I go on, or does that pretty much cover it?
Completely different situation. It's not a crime to be walking back to your father's house with a bag of fucking Skittles in your hand. Nobody's going to demand "justice" for a fucking crackhead/tweaker who robbed the Subway. Whether the robber should have been executed for it or not is a whole other discussion, but at least the store employee had a valid self-defense argument, which is something racist douche Zimmerman never had.
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jhale667 (04-12-2012)
Gotta love all the false equivalencies being thrown out here... equating Martin to a robber or a crackhead is idiotic, sorry.
I'm pretty content with how the prosecutors have approached things to date. They articulated their position yesterday very well.....
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I thought so too. The arrest was loooong overdue, but knowing that the prosecutor intends to fight Zimmerman's flimsy application of the "stand your ground" defense is somewhat comforting. I also don't LIKE, but appreciate that she said that in the event the murderer walks, she wants to help the Martin family "so their son's death is not in vain" - which I would imagine means she intends to assist in an eventual challenge to that stupid law, and perhaps in the eventual civil case.
Zimmerman gets arrested and charged with second degree murder and now the kid's mom says the shooting may have been an accident.
If anything what this whole fiasco has proven is too many groups in this country and that includes the media will distort and even flat out lie to stir up the population to hopefully push some sort of agenda or reap some sort of benefit from it. All the media does is spew the latest celebrity gossip, divide the population and add fuel so we start fighting with each other, and then those who own the media continue to rob us blind.
People need to wake the fuck up and stop being played like the idiots they are on things like this. The politicians and bankers have done such a shitty job they want the attention anywhere except on themselves. They are looking for the next distraction or an emergency to save us from. All this shit is nothing more than one big fat red herring.
He's likely being charged with 2nd degree murder so he pleads down to manslaughter (no one thinks it was fully premeditated). And if the "agenda" is getting rid of these retarded "Gunfight at the OK Corral" laws I'm all for it.
I just heard on the radio that racist douchebag is going to plead "not guilty" and continue to use the ridiculous "self-defense" lie.
Dumb move, Georgie. If you had pleaded down to manslaughter, you might have got yourself into a prison where you wouldn't have a bullseye on your racist ass back. Motherfucker is guilty as Hell, and he just signed his own death warrant. Because the neonazis outside might defend his ass, but I doubt the "Aryan Brotherhood" in prison is going to feel obligated to defend a half-Latino named "Zimmerman".
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It boils down to the level of training in most cases. If you are going to pack a gun around in public you need to have some training on the do's and don'ts and the consequences. Israel has a pretty good civilian pistol carrying program and it has an excellent safety record.
What needs to be drilled into people's heads is if you shoot someone there are serious consequences and you have to really beat that into their heads in the firearm permit classes. Heck, I was told if I have a gun on my person not to even go into a bar because those are places where a confrontation is more likely to happen. It's like driving a motorcycle. You have to be a lot more aware of your surroundings and the road than in a car. Once you have a pistol on your person, you are now living in a whole new world and have a lot more to worry about. I will say the classes taught by the sheriff's department I took were excellent. You only shoot if there are no other options and your life is threatened period. For lesser trained people a big bottle of pepper spray would probably be good enough.
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It's funny how you caring liberals paint the black teen as 100% innocent of any wrongdoing but throw the Hispanic under the bus...
Unlike most of the 20+ states that have already adopted the soon-to be challenged "stand your ground/OK Corral" laws where claims of "justifiable homicide" have doubled if not tripled...
The douche had his first court appearance earlier...embed's not working so here's the link...does he have serious crazy eyes or what?
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-grio/47031723#47022899
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I'm glad we live in a country with due process. He is innocent untill proven guilty. Let's just wait and see.
chefcraig (04-12-2012)
Not according to the executive branch. Read the Patriot Act and the new Defense Authorization Act. You now can get arrested and locked up with no trial for not agreeing with the government. Of course this is not constitutional and the constitution over rides any executive order or bill signed into law. At the end of the day, the Supreme Court has a busy load thanks to our elected assholes in office.
I'm not defending anyone...
He's innocent until PROVEN guilty...
But you bleeding hearts are provoking a race war over this bullshit and personally, I think it sucks...
I'm not defending anyone...
He's innocent until PROVEN guilty...
But you bleeding hearts are provoking a race war over this bullshit and personally, I think it sucks...
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Frankly, I was not there. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty in the public trial. The constitution gives the states an enormous amount of power to govern themselves so really, the local guns laws are up to each state to decide. All the federal government legally can do is regulate the transfer of firearms over state lines.
So, it's not my place to judge or fall into the trap of taking a side. I'm not the judge or the jury. All I know is what an over sensationalized media tells me. I'm pretty much neutral on the matter. All I know is this proves why everyone needs protection under constitutional law because look how easy the public can be turned into a lynch mob by some agitators. Dangerous especially since we live in a time where the law makers and executives are ignoring constitutional law. Zimmerman is innocent until the court decides otherwise.
That's clearly the agenda. To use imagery and public opinion to stir the pot to where people forget none of that matters. All that matters is constitutional law. If they can flank the constitution then NOBODY has any rights. We become a country of mob rule and lynch mobs. Someone is trying to stir a race war and a class war (I smell George Soros). It seems to be not working very well actually. We need to stop all this separation bullshit and go back to constitutional basics that protect all of us equally under the rule of law. We need to stop being black, white, yellow, or brown. We need to stop being Democrats and Republicans. We need to stop being rich or poor. We need to go back to being Americans protected equally under the rule of constitutional law. Why can't people see all these social issues, race issues, and class issues are just something to divide us and weaken us so we can be taken over? If you buy into all of this drama you are part of the problem.
The country is probably more unified now than it ever has been. Don't buy into the bullshit. Don't let some clever media trickery undo what Martin Luther King helped undo. He stood for equal rights, not special rights. Someone with a lot of money and influence is trying to get us to scape goat each other because that is what people do in bad times. They want us to blame each other and start fighting each other. The goal is to weaken the country so it can be taken over and then everyone loses.
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