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    Quote Originally Posted by gbranton View Post
    . I called him Sparky because he really fought hard to live

    And that takes us back to the elephant killing thread where I was saying how hard it is to keep a life going no matter how hard you try....yet so easy to end it. And when you actually see an animal truly fight to continue living, it gives you a new respect before you decide to squeeze that trigger.

    And this is just with animals! I don't want to imagine the guilt I would have if I were responsible for taking a fellow human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    I don't have a dog in this fight.

    But it would be nice to wait until ALL of the evidence is presented before making judgments.....
    Agreed.

    Let ALL of the evidence surface before giving an opinion. Supposedly martin was the one who struck first. I'm sorry people, but being followed is not a crime in this case.

    However, it seems that being white is a crime according to certain people on this board.

    Reuters agrees, calling Zimmerman a "white hispanic" neighborhood watch volunteer. I didn't know there was such a thing as a "white hispanic." Most Latinos would kick your ass for using that phrase.

    Here's a LINK to that story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    that is a lot of inference ..

    why not wait for the facts instead of presume

    - if you were not there or are not a psychoanalyst

    - why psuedo-psychoanalyze like the pundits claiming white on black racism by an adult on a helpless innocent child - and also creating hoodie campaigns while race baiting by claiming it a white on black racist event right?

    why ?
    no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.
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    I gotta admit...I had never heard of the "Stand Your Ground" law prior to this incident, and generally speaking I'm not very "political."

    Essentially, it sounds like if you pick a fight then end up on the losing end, you can't use "self-defense" as your defense for killing someone. Fair enough.

    But it seems pretty stupid to have such a law in the first place. Retreat from a violent situation should always be the first option. Opening fire should be the LAST resort when the retreat option is taken off the table.

    Apparently an anonymous witness has come forward saying that Trayvon was "straddling" the other dude and beating him up. Who knows how credible that will end up being? It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

    But it's a life-altering tragedy for all involved no matter how you slice it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.
    Doesn't make him a murderer, just as Zimmerman referring to him as a "fucking coon" doesn't....

    The grand jury testimony should be very interesting....
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    So, like it's ok 'n stuff to use a derogatory term like "coon" on this website ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.
    So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

    What do you do ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So, like it's ok 'n stuff to use a derogatory term like "coon" on this website ??

    When speaking of raccoons, yeah. Plus even in it's derogatory form it isn't really considered a 'bad' word like the N-word.

    I hate saying N-word. It's like saying F-word. We all know the word. We've all heard it, said it, seen it. Just say it for F-words sake. Just seems silly that adults can't have a conversation about words & language without actually speaking the words in question. Oh well. Civilization....I'll fall in line with whatever is the norm for today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

    What do you do ??


    Oooh...I love these!


    um....throw the phone at him and tell him his dealer is on the other end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Plus even in it's derogatory form it isn't really considered a 'bad' word like the N-word.
    Yes it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

    What do you do ??
    The raging PCP head is in your house. You aren't sitting in your gas hog SUV following him around the neighborhood. Completely different situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yes it is...

    Well, yeah. I just mean it doesn't carry the same weight. Don't ask me why. Just like out of the curse words we use FUCK is considered the big whopper...yet they are all curse words. Who knows why we put more weight on 1 than the others. Man I'm tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The raging PCP head is in your house. You aren't sitting in your gas hog SUV following him around the neighborhood. Completely different situation.
    Agreed. Once somebody enters your PRIVATE residence, all bets are off.

    If it was my house, the asshole gets he his head vented...end of story.

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    So, let's say Zimmerman DID utter the racial slur...given that, would it be surprising that Martin decided to punch said slur-using douche in the nose? Seems like the normal reaction (and one Zimmerman would DESERVE at that point- fact). ESPECIALLY if the weirdo had been (rather suspiciously) following you up until that point? The kid probably thought HE was about to be assaulted by some bigot whackjob at that point, and was trying to pre-empt the anticipated attack. Regardless, lethal force should NOT have been the go-to response from Zimmerman, sorry.


    Bottom line, ZIMMERMAN f*cked up when he kept following Martin. The authorities indicated they were on their way, and did not need him to follow, and he DID.
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    OH, here we go: Now a friend is claiming Zimmerman said "goon" (riiiiiight). “I don’t know of anyone younger than 40 who uses ‘coon’ as a racial epithet anymore.” Funny, I don't know anyone that uses the word "goon"...period! Just sayin'.



    Friend: Zimmerman Thought Shooting Would “Blow Over”


    http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/..._shooting.html

    UPDATE: Friends of George Zimmerman, who shot and killed Trayvon Martin last month, are starting to come out to defend him. Joe Oliver tells ABC News that Zimerman was distraught over the shooting and has now gone into hiding, fearing for his life.

    "Up until this point, because he was there and he knows what happened, and because he's not in jail, he's been very confident—naively—that this will all blow over,”' Oliver said on Good Morning America.

    The fringe New Black Panther Party has reportedly offered a $10,000 bounty for the capture of Zimmerman, the Orlando Sentinel reported.

    Oliver, who says he has known Zimmerman for a decade, told ABC that the 28-year-old likely said “goon” on the 911 tape rather than “coon” as many people believe. “I don’t know of anyone younger than 40 who uses ‘coon’ as a racial epithet anymore.”

    The distinction is important because what he said that night could make the difference in whether authorities will be able to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime, reports the Associated Press. “If that was a racial epithet that preceded the attack on Trayvon Martin, we definitely have a hate crime,” a legal expert says.

    Meanwhile, as protests erupt across the country demanding justice for Martin, “the hoodie has emerged as an unlikely symbol,” writes the Miami Herald. Celebrities have joined ordinary citizens posting pictures of themselves wearing hoodies in a show of support for Martin.




    Wow, those two new black panther dudes get a lot of press...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The raging PCP head is in your house. You aren't sitting in your gas hog SUV following him around the neighborhood. Completely different situation.
    My point was, should the potential victim follow the advice of 911 ??

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    What relevance do 911 calls of someone rightfully shooting an intruder breaking into their HOUSE have to do with this case, where the kid was walking down the street minding his own business? Not jack sh*t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    The distinction is important because what he said that night could make the difference in whether authorities will be able to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime, reports the Associated Press.

    “If that was a racial epithet that preceded the attack on Trayvon Martin, we definitely have a hate crime,” a legal expert says.
    That's fucking bullshit!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    the kid was walking down the street minding his own business?
    Is that what he was doing ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Is that what he was doing ??
    By all accounts (save the bigot who thinks skittles are suspicious), YES....idiot.
    I'd say quit acting stupid, but we all know in your case it's not an act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    That's fucking bullshit!!!


    No it's not. It establishes the fact that Martin's skin color was the only (or at least primary) reason Zimmerman thought he was "suspicious" in the first place. As do his other comments like "THEY always get away with it". Get away with WHAT? The kid was eating Skittles, drinking ice tea and walking back to his fucking father's house. What the fuck was he "getting away with".

    Being a "fucking coon" walking through a racially pure gated community, apparently. Except his father lived there, so I guess it wasn't as "racially pure" as Zimmerman thought.

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    The A**hole from the NRA I saw the other day's name was Larry Pratt...and apparently he's still making the rounds saying Martin should have RUN from the dude yelling racial slurs at him...uh, yeah - that's NOT how it usually works, f*cktard. If you say some sh*t like that, you should EXPECT to get punched number one, and number two if you do get socked for saying something like that, you do NOT have the right to escalate to lethal force immediately! What like "I can't BELIEVE he kicked my teeth in for calling him (insert racial epithet)! Can you imagine?" At that point guess what - YOU'RE the one prokoving someone, and you're completely in the wrong!!! It infuriates me that these idiots are trying to act like somehow Martin should have acquiesced to this douche, especially if he was talking smack - or that Zimmerman DIDN'T do anything wrong (like ignoring the 911 dispatcher of yelling racial slurs).

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    No, his father's fiancé lived there...

    This guy deserves a fair trial just like anyone else...

    But the half-coon pResident and countless celebrities have already convicted this guy...

    And where's the outrage over the coon-panthers offering 10,000 for his capture ??



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    Oops...

    I meant half-goon president...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    This guy deserves a fair trial just like anyone else...
    He'd have to be ARRESTED and CHARGED first in order to get a fair trail.



    Oh, and

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    Looks like that's gonna happen...



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    Here's what I don't like about the "stand your ground" law...even in the report Elbow posted, they say if someone "feels threatened" they can shoot - uh, it's pretty well known that some people are hysterically threatened by the mere presence of blacks (or other minorities), whether there's a genuine threat or not. Let's recall Arizona nutjob Jan Brewer saying she "felt threatened" talking to the POTUS on the airport tarmac!! So by that retarded logic, she could have opened fire??

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    That would be cool...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Here's what I don't like about the "stand your ground" law...even in the report Elbow posted, they say if someone "feels threatened" they can shoot - uh, it's pretty well known that some people are hysterically threatened by the mere presence of blacks (or other minorities), whether there's a genuine threat or not. Let's recall Arizona nutjob Jan Brewer saying she "felt threatened" talking to the POTUS on the airport tarmac!! So by that retarded logic, she could have opened fire??
    I saw on the news the guy that wrote the law said he didn't think it applied to this case.

    And a black kid in a hoodie with a bag of skittles would scare the hell out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    I saw on the news the guy that wrote the law said he didn't think it applied to this case.
    And it shouldn't.

    And a black kid in a hoodie with a bag of skittles would scare the hell out of me.

    You're one of the irrational types I was just talking about, so that's not shocking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    And it shouldn't.




    You're one of the irrational types I was just talking about, so that's not shocking...
    I was joking. I don't think that kid did anything to deserve being shot. That beaner fucked up big time.

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    People just need to cool down because guys like George Soros use this sort of thing to divide and conquer. People need to realize there are paid antagonists who stir the shit and they purposefully want to keep us divided on race, class, and political issues. Many of these so called celebrities are useful idiots for the rich ruling class. I hate to say it but the 1% are winning here. They don't want us to get along, they want us at each other's throats and that way they can mop up what they don't already own. These guys love civil unrest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    I was joking. I don't think that kid did anything to deserve being shot. That dude fucked up big time.

    No Martin didn't and Zimmerman did f*ck up, but you're still no better than him for throwing in yet another racial slur.



    And a George Soros reference, FFS? Somewhere Glenn BecKKK just got a tingle in his niether region, and it's Nyquil's fault. What's next a Saul Alinsky (sp) reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    No Martin didn't and Zimmerman did f*ck up, but you're still no better than him for throwing in yet another racial slur.



    And a George Soros reference, FFS? Somewhere Glenn BecKKK just got a tingle in his niether region, and it's Nyquil's fault. What's next a Saul Alinsky (sp) reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    No Martin didn't and Zimmerman did f*ck up, but you're still no better than him for throwing in yet another racial slur.



    And a George Soros reference, FFS? Somewhere Glenn BecKKK just got a tingle in his niether region, and it's Nyquil's fault. What's next a Saul Alinsky (sp) reference?
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    http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/28727605




    George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.
    Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

    The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

    In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

    The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He was not arrested.
    Martin's girlfriend had said in a recording obtained exclusively by ABC News that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman "why are your following me, and then the man asked, what are you doing around here." She then heard a scuffle break out and the line went dead.

    Phone records obtained by ABC News show that the girl, who is 16 and asked to remain anonymous, called Martin at 7:12 p.m., five minutes before police arrived, and remained on the phone with Martin until moments before he was shot.

    ABC News has also learned that Martin was staying in Sanford at the time because he'd been suspended from Krop High School in Miami after school officials found him with a baggy that they suspected contained marijuana. He was staying at his father's fiance's house in Sanford.

    Family spokesperson Ryan Julison confirmed to ABC News that Martin was suspended for an "empty baggy that had contained pot."

    "It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be here today," Julison said.

    During Zimmerman's call to 911, the dispatcher asked him if he was following the teen. When Zimmerman replied that he was, the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that."

    Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, said at a news conference today, "All I've got to say is they killed my son, and now they're trying to kill his reputation."

    The new information threatens to heighten tensions in the emotionally charged case. Sanford's Mayor Jeff Triplett told ABC News that "the city today is a tinder box."

    "This city is a glass house, and making matters worse the civic center has a lot of glass," he said referring to a town hall meeting slated for 5 p.m. where family and residents will be airing grievances about the Martin shooting.

    In addition, the Rev. Al Sharpton said today that he and other protesters intend to "occupy" Sanford on Easter weekend and pray that the city arrests Zimmerman.

    The details of Zimmerman's early account of the confrontation could complicate pressing charges against him, which one veteran prosecutor has already said could be difficult.

    "The stand-your-ground law is one portion of justifiable use of deadly force," veteran State Attorney Angela Corey told ABC News. "And what that means is that the state must go forward and be able to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt… So it makes the case in general more difficult than a normal criminal case."

    Zimmerman shot Martin dead the night of Feb. 26 after following him for several minutes. Zimmerman told police Martin looked suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie, and when he confronted him the two fought -- ultimately resulting in a single bullet in Martin's chest.

    Trayvon Martin Case: Timeline of Events

    Zimmerman claimed self defense and this weekend the lawyer counseling him, Craig Sonner, told ABC News that he was likely to invoke Florida's controversial stand-your-ground law in his defense.

    The law affords people enormous leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.

    Corey, a veteran prosecutor known for her zealous defense of victims rights was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job. But she faces other challenges in the case.

    While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death.

    Zimmerman, 28, is 5-foot-9 and weighs well over 200 pounds.

    But with the Department of Justice and the FBI investigating this case as a possible hate crime, Corey might want to pursue that as well.

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