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    It's unfortunate that kid lost his life but we don't have all the evidence in this case. I find it very odd that they have not arrested this guy. What are all these protesters going to do if they find out the guy acted in self defense?
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    So then we're to believe that if THIS witness saw Zimmerman "on the ground, moaning, crying for help" and Martin WASN'T on top of him beating the sh*t out of him as the other supposed witness claims? Even more fishy, then ...so Martin stopped punching him, got off him, took a step back, and THEN Zimmerman produced his weapoon and shot (to kill rather than wound)?? Any way they try to spin this, Zimmerman still f***ed up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    So then we're to believe that if THIS witness saw Zimmerman "on the ground, moaning, crying for help" and Martin WASN'T on top of him beating the sh*t out of him as the other supposed witness claims? Even more fishy, then ...so Martin stopped punching him, got off him, took a step back, and THEN Zimmerman produced his weapoon and shot (to kill rather than wound)?? Any way they try to spin this, Zimmerman still f***ed up!
    Don't know. We'll have to wait and see.

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    Shit. They can't even get his race right. He's not a cracker.
    An Unfortunate T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing

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    That's pretty fucked up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    I find it very odd that they have not arrested this guy.
    Seriously? After all the fucked up things that have happened in Florida since the BCE took over the state, THIS is the one you find odd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.
    may I politely point out why that statement is idiotic - no police officer told him anything - it was a dispatcher - if you believe a dispatcher is a LEO you are an idiot

    if you believe a dispatcher can protect you or give you proper advice for any reason when calling 911 best of luck to you in your endeavors
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    Quote Originally Posted by fryingdutchman View Post
    Agreed. Once somebody enters your PRIVATE residence, all bets are off.

    If it was my house, the asshole gets he his head vented...end of story.
    in a gated community if there is no private police force - there is no police patrol - if you are driving down the private street - and ask a thug looking person what they are doing in the gated community - if they say I live at 123 west lane - ok, have a nice night

    ..or they put a hood up and walk away - you say excuse me -( in my private community) where r u going ? and then get attacked and end up shooting a 6' 'kid' who was on suspension from school for 'good' behavior - you may shoot in defense - it is on private gated community property

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    may I politely point out why that statement is idiotic - no police officer told him anything - it was a dispatcher - if you believe a dispatcher is a LEO you are an idiot

    if you believe a dispatcher can protect you or give you proper advice for any reason when calling 911 best of luck to you in your endeavors
    Exactly. Many times they advise people in a manner designed to eliminate any liabilty on the part of the police department. If they advised someone pointing a gun at an intruder to pull the trigger and the bullet killed the neighbor's kid then the entire planet would have a field day. Riots (IF the child was a minority), lawsuits, negative publicity, outrage....the works. So of course they are going to tell you to run curl up in the closet and hide, then if you get killed at least nobody will sue them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    Shit. They can't even get his race right. He's not a cracker.
    An Unfortunate T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing
    Are they sure that's in Florida? He looks like and seems to have the attitude of a typical Mobile, AL resident.

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    I was hoping having a black president would help race relations - but, having bho step on his dick and make the dumbass comments he did only fueled the flames imho

    nice way to divide the country jackazz

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    oh this is good ..

    The mother of slain teen Trayvon Martin wants to trademark her son's name in the slogans, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon," according to two petitions filed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

    Federal documents show Sybrina Fulton, the teen's mother, is the owner of the trademark petitions, which were filed online March 21 by her attorneys Kimra Major-Morris and Natalie Jackson of the Women's Trial Group.

    Trayvon's mother says authorities are trying to demonize her son by leaking information to the news media that marijuana was the reason for his suspension from school.

    Sybrina Fulton said Monday that unnamed investigators were trying to destroy her 17-year-old son's reputation. Sanford police say it's possible the information was leaked to the media, but it was not authorized.

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    Justice for Trayvon Martin means more than arresting and trying George Zimmerman for his death ("License to kill," March 23). It means building communities where our black sons are free to walk the streets and be children, safe from the perception of neighbors and community members who believe that to be a young, black manchild is to be bad and to desire to bring harm to others. To focus on our black sons is not to say that our other sons and daughters are less important and less valuable. It is to be honest and to recognize the treacherous plight of young, black males from infancy through adulthood. We must stand our ground for our black sons and agree to engage with one another and to have the hard conversations about race, fairness, equity, justice, civility and the meaning of community. For these are all our children; and we will pay or profit for whatever they become.


    -so the low graduation rates and gang membership violence that threatens many communities is now about justice and not the social responsibilities of parents ?

    this kid was from a family with means - he was not poor - why he dint have better manners / courtesy towards a home owner in his father's g/f gated / private neighborhood is a ? too ..
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    LMAO !!!

    I'm starting to like Headly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    I was hoping having a black president would help race relations - but, having bho step on his dick and make the dumbass comments he did only fueled the flames imho

    nice way to divide the country jackazz






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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

    What do you do ??
    My. What a fine strawman argument...
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    Pretty ironic shit from a deranged druggie and coke monger whose gone insane--Patrick Dollard....

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    It's pretty funny that we're on a Van Halen board, and people are insinuating that maybe a kid deserved to die because he might have smoked pot and had a problem with some Barney Fife-vigilante asshole following him...

    But I guess "Stand Your Ground" only counts if you have a gun....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

    What do you do ??
    move to a better fucking neighborhood.


    but HUUUUGGGGGEEEE difference. this potential threat wasn't causing zimmerman ANY personal danger before zimmerman got involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    Doesn't make him a murderer, just as Zimmerman referring to him as a "fucking coon" doesn't....

    The grand jury testimony should be very interesting....
    i totally agree. i was pointing out on that particular speculation. nothing talked about thus far would put him as a murderer. it's either manslaughter or justifiable self defense. personally, i think a self-defense claim is a bit weak when you're obviously the instigator. but that's where the legalities come in.

    so i'll simply say that, it goes without saying that zimmerman should've listened to the police. but that, in and of itself, is not the determining factor. it's one a a number for the police/prosecutor/grand jury/judge/jury to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Oops...

    I meant half-goon president...


    you're a sad man, elvis. pathetic.

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    or maybe we are older, home owners who want peace in our neighborhoods

    as kids we never messed around on the streets - we had bonfires out in the woods and no one was the wiser - or drove around blasting VH and having a beer or smoke -

    ... and now, when I go visit a gated private neighborhood in florida - which I do once year for the last few yrs - I get stopped and questioned some nights - but I say hey, and say who I am visiting and all is well - unlike putting my hoodoe up - and then whacking someone in the nose - but I am polite - even if I am buzzed - why would I punch someone in the nose for asking me why I am there - it is a private community I am visiting & I was told if anyone asks who you are visiting to tell them

    - they know who lives there fwiw- hence gated community /private - everyone knows everyone & if I were a dick it would reflect poorly on my host and I would lose my visitation more than likely
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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    i totally agree.

    so i'll simply say that, it goes without saying that zimmerman should've listened to the police.(he never spoke to the police - it was a dispatcher)
    is a dispatcher now a LEO - not around here they are not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    may I politely point out why that statement is idiotic - no police officer told him anything - it was a dispatcher - if you believe a dispatcher is a LEO you are an idiot

    if you believe a dispatcher can protect you or give you proper advice for any reason when calling 911 best of luck to you in your endeavors
    actually, some are sworn officers. but does it matter? zimmerman did NOT need protection from this kid when he called 911, nor did he ask for it. he was reporting a suspicious person and was told by the authorities (if that word suits you better) that the police would handle it and he should not. it's not as if the kid was on his property, possibly heading for his house. the kid was walking on a sidewalk.

    and if you don't believe that dispatchers have never saved anybody's life, then you've never met any police officers or dispatchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    oh this is good ..

    The mother of slain teen Trayvon Martin wants to trademark her son's name in the slogans, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon," according to two petitions filed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

    Federal documents show Sybrina Fulton, the teen's mother, is the owner of the trademark petitions, which were filed online March 21 by her attorneys Kimra Major-Morris and Natalie Jackson of the Women's Trial Group.

    Trayvon's mother says authorities are trying to demonize her son by leaking information to the news media that marijuana was the reason for his suspension from school.

    Sybrina Fulton said Monday that unnamed investigators were trying to destroy her 17-year-old son's reputation. Sanford police say it's possible the information was leaked to the media, but it was not authorized.

    ----------------------------------

    Justice for Trayvon Martin means more than arresting and trying George Zimmerman for his death ("License to kill," March 23). It means building communities where our black sons are free to walk the streets and be children, safe from the perception of neighbors and community members who believe that to be a young, black manchild is to be bad and to desire to bring harm to others. To focus on our black sons is not to say that our other sons and daughters are less important and less valuable. It is to be honest and to recognize the treacherous plight of young, black males from infancy through adulthood. We must stand our ground for our black sons and agree to engage with one another and to have the hard conversations about race, fairness, equity, justice, civility and the meaning of community. For these are all our children; and we will pay or profit for whatever they become.


    -so the low graduation rates and gang membership violence that threatens many communities is now about justice and not the social responsibilities of parents ?

    this kid was from a family with means - he was not poor - why he dint have better manners / courtesy towards a home owner in his father's g/f gated / private neighborhood is a ? too ..
    yeah, god forbid the mom is worried that somebody else uses her dead son's name for their own, selfish purposes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    and then whacking someone in the nose
    How dare you suggest some black young punk would hit someone...

    You're a sad man, Headly...



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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    yeah, god forbid the mom is worried that somebody else uses her dead son's name for their own, selfish purposes...
    C'mon dude...

    Getting a trademark for your recently dead son ??

    That's lame...

    Hey maybe that asshole Obama can pull some strings and get it done for her...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    or maybe we are older, home owners who want peace in our neighborhoods

    as kids we never messed around on the streets - we had bonfires out in the woods and no one was the wiser - or drove around blasting VH and having a beer or smoke -

    ... and now, when I go visit a gated private neighborhood in florida - which I do once year for the last few yrs - I get stopped and questioned some nights - but I say hey, and say who I am visiting and all is well - unlike putting my hoodoe up - and then whacking someone in the nose - but I am polite - even if I am buzzed - why would I punch someone in the nose for asking me why I am there - it is a private community I am visiting & I was told if anyone asks who you are visiting to tell them

    - they know who lives there fwiw- hence gated community /private - everyone knows everyone & if I were a dick it would reflect poorly on my host and I would lose my visitation more than likely
    waiting for knuckleboner to insult me for being polite in a private community - or for following the rules of a private community to prevent negative attention and trouble

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    .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    yeah, god forbid the mom is worried that somebody else uses her dead son's name for their own, selfish purposes...
    the selfish purpose of promoting hate or justice - which is it ?

    or is it the $$$

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    I've probably missed it..but has the 911 call been released? Or an official transcript?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    I've probably missed it..but has the 911 call been released? Or an official transcript?
    Which 9-1-1 call would you be referring to? Because in the last 12 months prior to this incident, he made no less than 49 calls.....I'll repeat that...49 MOTHERFUCKING 9-1-1 CALLS IN TWELVE MONTHS!!

    There's a line between mere overzealousness and batshit insane, which Zimmerman clearly crosses.

    His 50th call proved to be the charm for him...he finally got what he wanted.
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    Vedy intedesting...

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    Ok, either this "gated community" looks like Beirut on a bad night or there's something seriously wrong here. 49 calls??? Really??? Jesus, you'd think he would have been kicked off the community watch by this point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Jesus, you'd think he would have been kicked off the community watch by this point...
    Or his 911 activity investigated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Or his 911 activity investigated...
    Exactly. This is why Andy only let Barney have one bullet - he was too damned excitable. If this guy called 911 every damn week, and I don't doubt Hambon, somebody should have put the brakes on him a long time ago. That's not a comment on what happened here, since I don't know what happened. But where I live, if you call the police every fucking week you better have a damn good reason.

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    Records show Zimmerman, 28, called the cops 46 times between January 2011 and Feb. 26.

    Many of the calls appear related to his crime-watch volunteer role. The most frequent reason for his calls — nine times — was to report a suspicious person, according to Sanford Police Department records released last week.

    over a 14 month period - he called 9 times about a suspicious person - whoo.... bad man ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Ok, either this "gated community" looks like Beirut on a bad night or there's something seriously wrong here. 49 calls??? Really??? Jesus, you'd think he would have been kicked off the community watch by this point...
    It will turn out to be another case of some kid on medication. His meds either made him do it or he got off his meds and that made him do it. At least with a gun even a crazy ass usually thinks before pulling the trigger. If this dude had a tazer he probably would have tazed everyone in the gated community by now. Once these paranoid renta cops hear it's non lethal they go ape shit tazing everything that moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    C'mon dude...

    Getting a trademark for your recently dead son ??

    That's lame...

    Hey maybe that asshole Obama can pull some strings and get it done for her...
    hysterical. you don't want to judge the guy that shot the kid before you know all of the facts, but you're more than willing to judge the mom.

    like i said, it's at least possible that she doesn't want OTHER people controlling her son's name. because, if you copyrighted, "justice for trayvon" then you could make shirts and profits and license it to video games and strip clubs, and everything this mom would hate to see her son's name attached to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headly1984 View Post
    I was hoping having a black president would help race relations - but, having bho step on his dick and make the dumbass comments he did only fueled the flames imho

    nice way to divide the country jackazz
    I think Barrack Obama has been a complete failure at everything most people who voted for him hoped he would do.

    That being said I think the country would elect another black president. It's the small minded shit heads who get stired up over this sort of thing. The people Al Sharpton can easily manipulate or the white people listening to their snack handling minister. The people who are more sophisticated and think for themselves instead of having to have some cheerleader think for them aren't buying into it.

    Like most things, I think the reality is not as bad as the media is making us believe it is. We no longer have neutral news, we have propaganda and the banking fucks want a red herring to distract us from their crimes. Worse stuff than this happens on a daily basis in this coutnry. For some reason this story has been chosen to antagonize the public with.

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