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    Led Zeppelin was the dregs that were left after everything good left the Yardbirds. Pagie made it the New Yardbirds and then it became Lead Blimp. A mobster managed criminal enterprise that duped the public and got rich off of stolen music who quickly sold the catalog and ran off with the money leaving the suckers who bought it with the legal troubles that would later surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    And they were all influenced by Delta Blues players...
    Oh, hell yeah. Here are two related versions of the same tune, both featuring Ron Wood and Stewart. Coincidentally, either version would have fit perfectly on Led Zeppelin III.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Oh, hell yeah. Here are two related versions of the same tune, both featuring Ron Wood and Stewart. Coincidentally, either version would have fit perfectly on Led Zeppelin III.



    Yeah no shit. Page was a robber.
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    Have heard something similar as the "Immigrant Song" before? 1970. This riff is unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    Yeah no shit. Page was a robber.
    lolololol
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    And they were all influenced by Delta Blues players...
    There is really three types of (American) blues: Delta, Chicago (i.e., electric) and Texas blues. Most limey musicians who were "influenced" by the blues opted for the Chicago citing the likes of John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Elmore James, and a lot of the Chess Label (Chicago) musicians such as Chuck Berry, and Bo Diddley simply because, again, they were electrified. That Jeff Beck record plays homage to a lot of the Chicago style of the late 50's to mid 60's even if his playing was a bit haphazard in trying to understand what made these musicians tick. Even Clapton himself said when he first heard 'Key To The Highway' by Big Bill Broonzy(sp?) that he had absolutely no idea he was black. Clapton stated he childhood was sheltered and he had never seen a black person in his life prior to listening to Broonzy.

    I don't quite agree with Chef's statement that Beck record was a high influence on Page other than say, the commercial appeal of it. Obviously there was a market and money to be made for playing American black music to the white middle class America as long as it was being done by white musicians themselves. And that is where my bitch with Zeppelin lies. Nothing they did was original or "groundbreaking." It was plagiarism in the most pejorative, disrespectful sense. I have no doubt Zeppy was influential on many a band to follow in terms of blueprinting riff-bashing incorporated rock with blues scales as the structure. Problem was it sucked. It was boring. It was ridiculous. 'Loudness,' anybody?


    Now nobody has a patent on the blues in terms of singing about "wimmin' doing you wrong, etc. My bitch is are you doing these songs from personal experience as in you lived them or was it for the commercialism that many a person has been rejected by somebody as some juncture in their life? Was Page the son of slave owners, did he work in the cotton fields of Mississippi? No, and it doesn't matter, and is highly irrelevant. What does matter is how he stole from the roots of blues by some vicarious bullshit means. And he was genius at it, too. I'll give him credit for that.

    Many a musician Page stole from died penniless, unmentioned and uncredited. Only until Page was sued in who knows how many out-of-court settlements did he bother his management at SuperHype music to change songwriting credits to avoid further embarrassment. To me, the guy will always be an embarrassment on the pages of rock history. He built an empire on the backs of those who lived miserable lives but had the original creativity of musical expression that was crucial to their plight of survival in the human condition. This is something Page will never understand and therefore, neither do his fanbase. If for one second you think you know something about "da blooz" from Jimmy Page apart from a pentatonic scale, then your life is very sad indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Led Zeppelin was the dregs that were left after everything good left the Yardbirds.
    Yeah. I'll just sit here at work and hum some of my favorite Yardbirds songs. Come on. This is preposterous. The Yardbirds!? Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etienne View Post
    Have heard something similar as the "Immigrant Song" before? 1970. This riff is unique.
    Paraphrasing form Roth's Crazy From The Heat book: "Valerie Bertinelli was hanging backstage during a VH tour, and I had the soundtrack to South Pacific blasting. She had a curious look on her face, so I explained that the singer in Zeppelin used the vocal line from 'Bali Hai' for 'The Immigrant Song.' To this day, I'm convinced she believes Led Zeppelin wrote South Pacific."


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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Yeah. I'll just sit here at work and hum some of my favorite Yardbirds songs. Come on. This is preposterous. The Yardbirds!? Good grief.
    That last Yardbirds album that was all Page played is awful. It was in all terms, heavily psychedelic with a lot of fuzz guitar and inane lyrics sung by a burnt out Relf. I just find it odd how he went from that to "da blooz" literally overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Paraphrasing form Roth's Crazy From The Heat book: "Valerie Bertinelli was hanging backstage during a VH tour, and I had the soundtrack to South Pacific blasting. She had a curious look on her face, so I explained that the singer in Zeppelin used the vocal line from 'Bali Hai' for 'The Immigrant Song.' To this day, I'm convinced she believes Led Zeppelin wrote South Pacific."
    And the guitar riff is stolen from who? The vocal phrase is, indeed, the same. Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    That last Yardbirds album that was all Page played is awful. It was in all terms, heavily psychedelic with a lot of fuzz guitar and inane lyrics sung by a burnt out Relf. I just find it odd how he went from that to "da blooz" literally overnight.
    I hear you. I don't personally think Page was the start of anything original. A blues movement was in full effect already. I liked his take on it, but more his non-blues playing that followed. As far as the lack of giving credit where credit is due goes, Page and about a zillion other performing artists are guilty as charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    I hear you. I don't personally think Page was the start of anything original. A blues movement was in full effect already. I liked his take on it, but more his non-blues playing that followed. As far as the lack of giving credit where credit is due goes, Page and about a zillion other performing artists are guilty as charged.
    Not as blatant as Page did. Getting back to Eddie for a second, I hear, if anything, a lot of power chord struture in his early playing much in the same way Pete Townshend did but there is nothing as far as I can tell from that debut VH album that sounds way too similar to any Who record. Of course, everyone steals from everybody else, even Eddie has stated that. The trick is of course, not to get caught.

    Oh, and I'll put up the production of 'Fair Warning' to any shitty Zep recording any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Not as blatant as Page did. Getting back to Eddie for a second, I hear, if anything, a lot of power chord struture in his early playing much in the same way Pete Townshend did but there is nothing as far as I can tell from that debut VH album that sounds way too similar to any Who record. Of course, everyone steals from everybody else, even Eddie has stated that. The trick is of course, not to get caught.

    Oh, and I'll put up the production of 'Fair Warning' to any shitty Zep recording any day.
    So EVH isn't influenced by Jimmy Page? "Mean Street" riffs after the intro?

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    Means Street sounds more like a Sabbath riff than Zeppy.


    Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Means Street sounds more like a Sabbath riff than Zeppy.


    Sorry.
    And I disagree. The rhythm together with the drums is typical Zep.

    Like the "Immigrant Song" riff.

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    Stealing, borrowing, paying homage, many blurry lines. Have you seen the VH early years documentary? Dave literally stood out in the crowd of Black Oak Arkansas shows with his trusty 8mm movie camera and filmed Jim "Dandy" Mangrum's moves. By '81, Dave looked and acted an aweful lot like the guy. I never saw or read of Dave giving much credit to the guy prior to seeing this video. Is this something Dave "got away with"? He developed his own identity based on an amalgam of other identities. Not unlike Mr. Page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Yeah. I'll just sit here at work and hum some of my favorite Yardbirds songs. Come on. This is preposterous. The Yardbirds!? Good grief.
    Dude. It's only rock and roll. It's not meant to be taken that seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Dude. It's only rock and roll. It's not meant to be taken that seriously.
    Understood. Connotation lines get hazy 'round here. I don't care as much as I lead on! Can we all agree that it's time for a drink?

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    Cheers everybody! For me a coffee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Understood. Connotation lines get hazy 'round here. I don't care as much as I lead on! Can we all agree that it's time for a drink?
    hmmm not yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Understood. Connotation lines get hazy 'round here. I don't care as much as I lead on! Can we all agree that it's time for a drink?
    I raise my Corona to you sir!

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    As for musical stealing and borrowing, Zappa said it best "There's only 12 notes in the Western scale. It's ALL BEEN DONE."








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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Stealing, borrowing, paying homage, many blurry lines. Have you seen the VH early years documentary? Dave literally stood out in the crowd of Black Oak Arkansas shows with his trusty 8mm movie camera and filmed Jim "Dandy" Mangrum's moves. By '81, Dave looked and acted an aweful lot like the guy. I never saw or read of Dave giving much credit to the guy prior to seeing this video. Is this something Dave "got away with"? He developed his own identity based on an amalgam of other identities. Not unlike Mr. Page.
    I thought later Dave did give Jim Dandy props.....in a little tune called Top Jimmy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    I thought later Dave did give Jim Dandy props.....in a little tune called Top Jimmy!
    A different kind of Jim. The Rhythm Pigs came about near the same time as Los Lobos, X and The Blasters, and were arguably the best of all of 'em. Live, they could wipe the floor with just about anyone, including most so-called hard rock acts of the era.



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    Well, there you have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    I thought later Dave did give Jim Dandy props.....in a little tune called Top Jimmy!
    Different Jimmy. That song is about James "Top Jimmy" Koncek from the band Top Jimmy & The Rhythm Pigs.

    Oops - Chef beat me to it. But there you go.
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    Okay.............enough of this horeshit "I hate him, he's not "original" or for fucks sake "Hes not BLACK so he can't play the blues" retarded arguement..............

    LED ZEPPELIN KICKED ASS...............if you don't get it you're musically retarded....end of story, go listen to Van Haggis & fuck off

    And enought of the hijaking of this thread....its called GEAR STREET for a reason....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    Okay.............enough of this horeshit "I hate him, he's not "original" or for fucks sake "Hes not BLACK so he can't play the blues" retarded arguement..............

    LED ZEPPELIN KICKED ASS...............if you don't get it you're musically retarded....end of story, go listen to Van Haggis & fuck off

    And enought of the hijaking of this thread....its called GEAR STREET for a reason.
    Agreed about the LZ kicking ass and sorry for my involvement in the hijacking. Cool pedals. I really need a drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    Okay.............enough of this horeshit "I hate him, he's not "original" or for fucks sake "Hes not BLACK so he can't play the blues" retarded arguement..............

    LED ZEPPELIN KICKED ASS...............if you don't get it you're musically retarded....end of story, go listen to Van Haggis & fuck off
    Dat dere's fightun wurds.

    You can fuck off too, Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    Okay.............enough of this horeshit "I hate him, he's not "original" or for fucks sake "Hes not BLACK so he can't play the blues" retarded arguement..............
    Yeah, apparently SRV never got that memo...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    The Pog2 or the Ravish Sitar???

    I'm getting something soon.............

    Which would I use more?!?
    Both are One-Trick-Ponies. I would go with the Ravish Sitar first.

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    Next to my beyond repair Crybaby wah pedal, my favorite box of all time was a Boss ODB 3 Bass Overdrive, purchased sometime in the late nineties, along with a Danelectro retro power pack. (Naturally, both were stolen from me at a gig one evening.) For one thing, at that time (and currently, as well) it was dirt cheap, yet highly dependable and versatile. It also featured the then rare feature of a built-in adjustable EQ, pretty much unheard of in a low grade distortion unit. It even worked effectively when paired with an electric guitar, bring out a devastatingly beastly low end sludge reminiscent of Mountain or Sabbath.

    I can not recommend this little pedal enough. If you see one in a music store, by all means give it a try. You'll be glad you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Dat dere's fightun wurds.

    You can fuck off too, Matt.
    I have Fucked off....for ages....now be a good Kid & put on some Sisters of Mercy and relax......

    At this rate I'm starting to think you're Scarlet Page!

    HA!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etienne View Post
    Both are One-Trick-Ponies. I would go with the Ravish Sitar first.
    That's what my Bro, a drummer, said upon hearing that Danelectro Back-talk pedal....."Where are you EVER going to use that?"

    I find a way to use it....works great for PEPPER by the Butthole Surfers!

    I am leaning towards the Ravish......I've listened to the Pog2.....I could do the RAIN SONG with it....I mean Jimmy Page probably ripped that off from some struggling Indian Guitarist noone has ever heard of..........

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    And...I have to say I dig the EVH phase 90.....................really cops the VH 1 solo vibe................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt White View Post
    And...I have to say I dig the EVH phase 90.....................really cops the VH 1 solo vibe................
    With the script mode button. Which mode do you use more often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etienne View Post
    With the script mode button. Which mode do you use more often?
    With thee button engaged.............."engaged......UH uhH UhuUH huHUh huHUH HUHhhuuh

    Yup....really makes those notes sing

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