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    Obamacare Has Helped Seniors Save Over $6 Billion On Their Prescription Drugs

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...ion/?mobile=nc

    As the health reform law approaches its third birthday, Obama Administration officials are noting that one of its provisions has already helped seniors on Medicare save $6.1 billion on their prescription drug costs.

    Obamacare ensures that more prescription drugs are covered under Medicare by closing the “donut hole” coverage gap. Even as the cost of prescription drugs has continued to rise, the health law gives discounts to Medicare beneficiaries so seniors continue to be able to afford the medication they need — one of its most popular provisions. On Thursday, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced that more than 6.3 million Americans in the Medicare program have saved more than $6 billion on prescription drugs.

    Since the Affordable Care Act first began phasing in reforms to Medicare’s drug coverage in 2010, the recorded savings for seniors have been steadily growing. And according to new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), it won’t cost as much to close the donut hole’s coverage gap as initial estimates predicted. Ultimately, making drugs more affordable means that people will take them more regularly, ensuring seniors stay healthy and their medical costs are lower. In fact, the estimated 90 million Americans who don’t take their medications as directed represent the biggest root of wasteful health spending in the United States.

    A full 90 percent of seniors with Medicare plans are satisfied with the prescription drug coverage they can access through the program, largely because of the savings they’re now experiencing. And those savings are likely to increase. This year, Obamacare increases Medicare’s prescription drug discounts to about 52 percent of the cost of most brand name drugs and 21 percent of the cost of covered generic drugs.





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    Too bad most of the drugs are poison...

    And the one's that aren't are way, way, way overprescribed...
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    Wassamatta U?

    U no can argue wit fax?

    So U gots to go irrelevant?


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    Obamacare has also raised insurance premiums 200%. It's resulted in people losing their full time hours and benefits. It will result in a lower standard of living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Too bad most of the drugs are poison...

    And the one's that aren't are way, way, way overprescribed...
    A silly overgeneralization, as usual...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Obamacare has also raised insurance premiums 200%.
    WTF is that "statistic" from? Rates have gone up, unfortunately. But that is largely the case of individual states not giving regulators the power to deny insurance companies the right to blanket hike rates. Here in NY, rates haven't gone up because the state can simply say "fuck your rate hikes!"

    It's resulted in people losing their full time hours and benefits. It will result in a lower standard of living.
    "It's" because it's not being managed properly, it's also a disingenuous criticism from the right because they want to restrict gov't powers and "let the market decide" fundamentally, but then they strip the gov't's ability to regulate and hold down rates...

    Obamacare is a start, not an end product...

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    Insurers also have to refund unused portions of the healthcare premiums, so some people are actually paying drastically less after refunds. But yes, the system needs better regulation and a balance has to be struck between fair profit and the human right of basic healthcare...

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    It just means more people with an increasing dependence on government...exactly what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post

    Obamacare is a start, not an end product...
    And a product I do not need or want...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone888 View Post
    It just means more people with an increasing dependence on government...exactly what they want.
    Who's the government now? Corporations. They own the politicians. Obamacare will result in a healthcare monopoly with only the politically connected insurance and healthcare companies surviving the weed out.

    What the Democrats fail to realize is government regulation no longer works when the government is no longer owned by the people. By giving the government more power today, you just screw the people more. Some of these Democrats welcome government control of more industry but they fail to realize they are just empowering what they think they are fighting by doing that. No. The less we give the government at this point the better. It no longer serves us. It uses us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    And a product I do not need or want...
    The majority of Americans didn't want it. They just rammed it through over the Christmas holiday anyways. Whenever congress is working on the holiday the legislation is never good. Never. We got the Federal Reserve Act over a holiday as well.

    I can remember some people saying just pass something. I cringed. Hey asshole. Here. I have some papers for you to sign that gives me power of attorney over your estate if you feel that way. Yeah. Let's just pass something even if we don't know what it is. Pelosi knew people were just that stupid and smugly made her "We have to pass it before we know what's in it" comment. She knows her voting base are dumb as bricks and knows she can get away with saying anything. I bet if we were flys on the wall at their cocktail parties we would see and hear them laughing and bragging how they ripped the dumb ass public off some more.
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    WTF is that "statistic" from? Rates have gone up, unfortunately. But that is largely the case of individual states not giving regulators the power to deny insurance companies the right to blanket hike rates. Here in NY, rates haven't gone up because the state can simply say "fuck your rate hikes!"
    The statistic comes from a US congressional report. Here's the link.

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/site...miumReport.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The statistic comes from a US congressional report. Here's the link.

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/site...miumReport.pdf
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    So in other words, produced by a bunch of snot-nosed teabagging "College Republicans" working for KKKoch flunkies in congress.

    Yeah, sure that's a fair and honest report.

    Hell, just look at the "completely neutral" title of the thing.....

    The Price of Obamacare’s Broken Promises



    This ain't exactly a Congressional Budget Office non-partisan assessment here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The statistic comes from a US congressional report. Here's the link.

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/site...miumReport.pdf
    Oh, a pile of partisan shit by Republicans. LOL I thought you might have something a tad more objective that didn't cherry-pick facts and use selective analysis, or maybe blame Republicans for many of the laws shortcomings...

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    When Obamacare was passed, it was only supposed to cost $950B. In March of last year, the CBO (not some kook right-wing establishment) projected the actual cost to be around $1.8T, which is most likely still too low.

    So where are the savings?
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    Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...test-c/?page=1

    “Obamacare” looks increasingly inevitable, but one lawsuit making its way through the court system could pull the plug on the sweeping federal health care law.

    A challenge filed by the Pacific Legal Foundation contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House. Under the Origination Clause of the Constitution, all bills raising revenue must begin in the House.
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    Obombacarelessness®

    Get some today...

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    All of you will eventually be covered by HellCare® anyway.
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    That's bullshit too...

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    We're hiring nurses at St. Lucifer Hospital. Should I have them call you for an interview?

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    To do what, paperwork ??

    Fuck no !!

    Hire as secretary...

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    Here's a good indicator of the future success of Obamacare, and frankly, anything else Obomba touches...



    "yes we can!"



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    what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    "yes we can!"


    Well, you have to remember what he meant by that.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    what?
    Exactly...

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    Walgreen clinics to begin treating chronic illnesses

    Walgreen Co. has expanded the reach of its drugstore clinics beyond treating ankle sprains and sinus infections to handling chronic diseases such as diabetes, asthma and high blood pressure.

    The company, based in Deerfield, Ill., said Thursday that most of its 370 in-store Take Care Clinics now will diagnosis, treat and monitor patients with some chronic conditions that are typically handled by doctors.

    Drugstore clinics, which are run by nurse practitioners or physician assistants, have grown popular in recent years as a convenient way for patients to get immunizations, physicals and treatment for relatively minor illnesses when their regular doctor is unavailable. But the clinics have been broadening their scope of care: Walgreen's decision follows a move by CVS Caremark Corp. a few years ago to handle chronic conditions at most of its 640 MinuteClinics.

    Drugstores say they don't aim to replace doctors, but rather to provide more people with access to health care and work with physicians as part of a team treating patients. But the move to provide more complex care has drawn concern from doctors who say that can disrupt their relationships with patients and lead to fragmented care.

    Dr. Jeffrey J. Cain is president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, one of the nation's largest medical organizations. He said doctors know their patients, and that makes them better suited for doing things like helping a patient with diabetes develop an exercise plan or learn how to eat better.

    He also said that transferring records or test results between health care providers can be difficult if computer systems don't communicate well. That can lead to test duplications.

    "It's not about telling somebody what they have to do, it's helping them make choices in their life to move toward a healthier lifestyle," he said.

    Dr. Alan E. London, chief medical officer for the Take Care Clinics, said that the clinics can help coordinate a patient's care. If a patient has a doctor and a treatment plan for a condition such as high cholesterol, the patient can use the clinics for blood tests and then have the results sent back to the doctor.

    But nearly half of the patients who receive treatment at Walgreen clinics don't have a primary care doctor, London said. In those cases, the clinics will diagnose a chronic illness, get the patient started on some medication and then help them connect with a doctor.

    "We're filling a niche for patients who need access," London said. "When we uncover gaps in care and we're capable of closing those gaps, it's the right thing to do."




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    The Democrats rammed Obamacare through Congress and it's shit and now they are trying to ram through Obamamnesty and it'll be shit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warham View Post
    The Democrats rammed Obamacare through Congress and it's shit and now they are trying to ram through Obamamnesty and it'll be shit too.
    I'll bet you were OK with amnesty in 1986, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I'll bet you were OK with amnesty in 1986, right?
    To be honest, FORD, I was 13 in 1986 and was more interested in comic books and other things a 13 year old boy in the 1980s was interested in than politics. I liked Reagan at that age, about as much as a young teen could like a president. But if I had been 39 in 1986, I would have said "no way".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warham View Post
    The Democrats rammed Obamacare through Congress and it's shit and now they are trying to ram through Obamamnesty and it'll be shit too.
    *

    It's main components have not happened as yet. So your proof that it is shit?

    I have degrees and 10+ experience in Insurance. I have lived (not "stationed") in other countries that have very similar plans....they work. This current "Health Care" thing in duh US, does no one any favors. It needs to be changed or it will bankrupt you and everyone you know.

    Your resume to make your case based upon your experience?

    Last edited by SunisinuS; 04-04-2013 at 11:27 PM. Reason: * Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity telling you it is shit is NOT "your" experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunisinuS View Post
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    It's main components have not happened as yet. So your proof that it is shit?

    I have degrees and 10+ experience in Insurance.

    Your resume to make your case based upon your experience?

    It's shit. Period.

    I don't give a fuck if you got "degrees". People that work at McDonald's have degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warham View Post
    It's shit. Period.

    I don't give a fuck if you got "degrees". People that work at McDonald's have degrees.
    Ahhh...gotcha....great logic!

    You win based upon your superior intellect...Well Played Sir! Your experience is a shining beacon lighting us to the way to glory and success! And in defense of those that work at Mcdickie D's...at least people with degrees had to provide a reasoned argument to graduate with one...for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warham View Post
    It's shit. Period.

    I don't give a fuck if you got "degrees". People that work at McDonald's have degrees.
    People that work at McDonalds also have healthcare.


    ....in every country but the US.

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    OK, let's just talk about the basics first if you want "logic".

    The program hasn't even been implemented yet and it's already going to cost the federal government 1.8 Trillion dollars, almost twice the initial estimate. That doesn't even factor in other things that haven't been accounted for. This might cost two, three or four times that amount by the time it really is in full gear.

    Who is going to pay for that, using your "degrees" and "10+ years in Insurance"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    People that work at McDonalds also have healthcare.


    ....in every country but the US.
    FORD, McDonald's was one of the many companies who were initially given a waiver from Obamacare a couple years ago.

    If they hadn't, they would already be cutting full-time employees to part-time like many other companies are doing to side-step the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    People that work at McDonalds also have healthcare.

    Some do...

    McDonalds is also an Obamacare waiver recipient...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warham View Post
    OK, let's just talk about the basics first if you want "logic".

    The program hasn't even been implemented yet and it's already going to cost the federal government 1.8 Trillion dollars, almost twice the initial estimate. That doesn't even factor in other things that haven't been accounted for. This might cost two, three or four times that amount by the time it really is in full gear.

    Who is going to pay for that, using your "degrees" and "10+ years in Insurance"?
    In Insurance we have Actuaries, the more people the better the tables look, look at any Life Insurance Premium....how can they offer that at "Dime a Day"?

    I am sorry if my experience is a joke to you, I can only tell you what a successful person has done educating themselves and the experience gained by living on 4 of the 7.

    /shrug

    You just keep fearing change, that is normal, but I can tell you from experience...having everyone covered by healthcare is not scary.

    Sorry. Just True.

    I hope you get what you want....less people covered and more people around you sick....do you have a bed in your home for family members not covered if we go back?
    You will be their own personal hero!

    If you not are concerned about the cost...you will not care will you? Or should they just die...and decrease the surplus population? But Damn, that first hospital emergency room visit that just bankrupted your kid's education and ruined your credit trying to help....see you on the bowery curb! Or should you just cook grandma up for beef (stringy) stew make it quicker and easier?

    Don't get me wrong...I admire your ability to care about nobody but yourself and that immediate circle that sucks your dick and tells you that you are great....it seems the other people are someone you will get to later....Invite me to your Thanksgiving Dinner....I am a big guy...and we will use your "survival of the fittest" mantra that Rush Limbaugh gave you. Lol I will eat the food off your plate, fuck your wife, and throw you off the roof...after all, I am bigger stronger and faster than you Warham. Wanna Bet how your philosophy will play out before the big game? Gimme an Invite.

    GL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunisinuS View Post
    In Insurance we have Actuaries, the more people the better the tables look, look at any Life Insurance Premium....how can they offer that at "Dime a Day"?

    I am sorry if my experience is a joke to you, I can only tell you what a successful person has done educating themselves and the experience gained by living on 4 of the 7.

    /shrug

    You just keep fearing change, that is normal, but I can tell you from experience...having everyone covered by healthcare is not scary.

    Sorry. Just True.

    I hope you get what you want....less people covered and more people around you sick....do you have a bed in your home for family members not covered if we go back?

    You will be their own personal hero!

    GL!

    No, I don't fear change, unless it's Obama's change.

    I can ask the question again because you didn't answer it the first time. If Obamacare costs keep increasing like the CBO says it will (from 900B to 1.8T and beyond) and the government is forced to make hard cuts, what will happen?

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