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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35157

    Why some politicians are more dangerous than others

    Politicians and the political process, even in ostensibly democratic countries, can be deadly. James Gilligan’s book details how over the past century, whenever America’s conservative p…



    Why some politicians are more dangerous than others

    Amy Mollett


    Politicians and the political process, even in ostensibly democratic countries, can be deadly. James Gilligan’s book details how over the past century, whenever America’s conservative party have gained the presidency, the country has repeatedly suffered from epidemics of suicide and homicide. Daniel Sage finds the book an enlightening study, and also an important example of the increasingly powerful relationship between epidemiology and social science.



    In this new book by James Gilligan, Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at New York University, an attempt is made to solve a very particular American murder mystery. This mystery, tracked over 100 years of US data, centres upon an extremely notable pattern in longitudinal rates of homicide and suicide (‘violent death’). The pattern shows that the rate of violent death rises when a President is a Republican, and falls when a President is a Democrat.

    So for example, when the Democrat Woodrow Wilson was in office between 1913 and 1920, violent death rates fell from 23.3 per 100,000 to 17.4. Then, between 1920 and 1932 – when three Republicans were president – the death rate escalated to 26.5. In today’s terms, Gilligan points out that a one-point increase the violent death rate amounts to an extra 3,000 deaths per year. When it rises by several points – as it consistently has under Republican administrations throughout the twentieth-century – it constitutes an ‘epidemic’ of violent death.

    Gilligan’s main task in this book is to explain this trend. In other words, what is it about the Republican Party which tends to incite violence and what is it about the Democrats that tends to reduce it? Gilligan argues that economic conditions – such as unemployment, inequality and economic growth – are the prime determinants of violent behaviour. When economic conditions deteriorate, Gilligan points to a powerful body of evidence which strongly suggests a causal link with violence. The important thread to the argument is that these conditions have been far more likely to worsen during Republican administrations than they have under Democratic ones.

    However, it is the question of why economic woe induces violence which gets to the root of the murder mystery. Gilligan’s answer is that violence intensifies the presence of shame, such as that caused by unemployment, low status and an inability to make valued contributions to society. All in all, it is argued that Republican policies are more likely to culminate in ‘shaming’ significant swathes of the American population and when this occurs, rates of violent death increase to epidemic levels.

    In fact, Gilligan takes his argument one step further and argues that the social fabric of America is one which is weaved by shame. It is built upon “competition for superior status in an honour-shame hierarchy”: a “recipe for violence”. The solution is the “protect people from shame” by eliminating social inequalities and status differences within a more egalitarian system. This might be an argument which British readers of Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett’s The Spirit Level are familiar with, through its argument that the psychosocial effects of high inequality cause a wide range of health and social problems.

    But how convincing is the argument that the real issue with economic poverty and social inequality is the psychological conditions they induce? Could it not be that violence and other social problems are still a matter of material – not purely psychological – disadvantage? The necessary conclusion from Gilligan’s thesis is that a less ‘shame-driven society’ would, of its own accord, work to reduce the occurrence of violence. This is supported by his work in the American prison system where he argues that violence was reduced by changing the ‘culture’ of the prison. The obvious danger of this approach is that it side lines, or even ignores, the material and structural conditions of poverty. Perhaps as a result, Gilligan offers little in the way of how the economic structures of power which shape America’s ‘shame-driven society’ can be reformed for the better.

    Despite these limitations, Why Some Politicians Are More Dangerous Than Others is an enlightening, empirical study. It is also an important example of the increasingly powerful relationship between epidemiology and social science. By fusing together the scientific rigour of evidence-based medicine with a wealth of theoretical insights from the social sciences, Gilligan’s book and others – such as The Spirit Level – are providing new and exciting ways of understanding the social and economic determinants of health and well-being. They are also, perhaps even more importantly, providing policy-makers and politicians with answers about how we can improve health outcomes, deal with social problems and redress economic inequalities.

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    Daniel Sage is a PhD student at the University of Stirling. His PhD thesis explores how welfare-to-work reforms have affected the experiences and interactions of benefit claimants with the welfare system. Additionally, he has academic interests in income inequality and social cohesion, public attitudes towards the welfare state and the politics and philosophy of social policy. He has a BA in History from University College London and an MSc in Social Policy from the LSE. He tweets at @djsage86 and blogs at http://knowledge-is-porridge.blogspot.com. Read reviews by Daniel.
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    A less shame driven society ??

    This is an example where a firm belief in God is beneficial to your health and well being...

    Trying to put God first in your life gives you some ability to rise above the psychosocial circumstances that can control your every thought and lead to an early death...


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    • jhale667
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 20929

      #3
      Originally posted by conmee
      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

      That is all.

      Icon.
      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


      Originally posted by Isaac R.
      Then it's really true??:eek:

      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
      Originally posted by eddie78
      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #4
        Oh no! Someone mentioned God...

        Time to roll your eyes...

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35157

          #5
          Originally posted by ELVIS
          Trying to put God first in your life gives you some ability to rise above the psychosocial circumstances that can control your every thought and lead to an early death...

          So the good thing about believing in this 'God' is that it helps delay meeting it?

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          • Jesus Christ
            Veteran
            • Jan 2004
            • 2428

            #6
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            A less shame driven society ??

            This is an example where a firm belief in God is beneficial to your health and well being...

            Trying to put God first in your life gives you some ability to rise above the psychosocial circumstances that can control your every thought and lead to an early death...


            Gregory, if Dad and I are "first" in your life, then why are thy posts so often filled with hatred?

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #7
              Yeah...

              God wants us to live a long productive life...

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                Gregory, if Dad and I are "first" in your life, then why are thy posts so often filled with hatred?
                They're not...

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32794

                  #9
                  The US is a pretty diverse place. Many things drive the various people here. Some are materialistic and others are not. The US donates more money to charity than any other country in the world and that's not the government, that's the citizens. So there are a lot of charitable unselfish people here that are just fine.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32794

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                    Gregory, if Dad and I are "first" in your life, then why are thy posts so often filled with hatred?
                    It all depends on what book of the bible you want to follow. If it's the Old Testament you serve a jealous and wrathful god. Wiping out the unchosen bloodlines of Abraham was the order of the day. Or you can follow the New Testament god who wants you to treat others like how you want to be treated and turn the other cheek and render unto Ceasar which is Ceasar's. In other words be the nice guy that finishes last, gets beat up and ass fucked. At least in the Old Testament you got to take the land and the spoils and fuck everything in sight. In the New Testament you got crucified and loved the people who did it.
                    Last edited by Nitro Express; 06-26-2012, 04:14 PM.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32794

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      Yeah...

                      God wants us to live a long productive life...
                      God is too busy fucking his millions of goddess wives to worry about us.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • VHscraps
                        Veteran
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 1865

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbo...s-than-others/

                        [b]Why some politicians are more dangerous than others[/size]

                        In fact, Gilligan takes his argument one step further and argues that the social fabric of America is one which is weaved by shame. It is built upon “competition for superior status in an honour-shame hierarchy”: a “recipe for violence”. The solution is the “protect people from shame” by eliminating social inequalities and status differences within a more egalitarian system. This might be an argument which British readers of Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett’s The Spirit Level are familiar with, through its argument that the psychosocial effects of high inequality cause a wide range of health and social problems.
                        Or, indeed, readers of Martha C. Nussbaum:

                        "Disgust and shame are inherently hierarchical; they set up ranks and orders of human beings. They are also inherently connected with restrictions on liberty in areas of non-harmful conduct. For both of these reasons, I believe, anyone who cherishes the key democratic values of equality and liberty should be deeply suspicious of the appeal to those emotions in the context of law and public policy" (link)
                        Here she is, showing no shame in her fine early 70s looking outfit - pictured, unless I am mistaken, in a library. You'll find lots of cool women there, men of the Roth Army ...

                        THINK LIKE THE WAVES

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                        • Jesus Christ
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2428

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nitro Express
                          God is too busy fucking his millions of goddess wives to worry about us.
                          That little piece of Mormon doctrine always cracked Us up even more than the bit about Satan being My brother.

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35157

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            Yeah...

                            God wants us to live a long productive life...
                            So in your mythology for 50 000 years a god let people die young and then in the last 100 he 'made' people discover science and technology which means he now gets what he wanted with us having long and productive lives. Apart from the majority of people on the planet that don't due to poverty and disease.

                            Hmmm...

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58754

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seshmeister
                              So in your mythology for 50 000 years a god let people die young and then in the last 100 he 'made' people discover science and technology which means he now gets what he wanted with us having long and productive lives. Apart from the majority of people on the planet that don't due to poverty and disease.

                              Hmmm...
                              Now that's just ridiculous Sesh! Everyone knows the Earth is only 6,000 years old!
                              Eat Us And Smile

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