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    Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, It’s About Tyranny

    Kurt Nimmo

    July 26, 2012

    Now that Obama has tested the water on government gun control with a speech delivered before the National Urban League, we can expect the divisive issue to play a role in his re-election campaign.

    Obama and his globalist handlers – who ultimately want every gun confiscated – understand that the American people by and large support the Second Amendment. This is why the president patronized hunters and shooters with an oily sleight of hand.
    “I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals,” Obama said. “That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities.”

    In fact, according to the founders, guns – including AK47s in the modern context – belong in the hands of the citizens and their state militias, as plainly and eloquently spelled out in the Second Amendment. Thomas Jefferson and the founders did not craft the Second Amendment to protect the right of hunters and target shooters. It was included – right after the First Amendment guareenting political speech – to ensure the right of citizens to violently oppose a tyrannical federal government if need be.

    AK47s and other “assault” weapons are the sort of tools that will be used if push comes to shove and the people must violently oppose the government.

    Obama supporters and other lovers of the state recoil at the prospect of armed resistance to a tyrannical centralized federal government and refuse to accept that this is what the Second Amendment is all about.

    “The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people,” wrote Fisher Ames, a member of the Massachusetts convention that ratified the Constitution in 1788. This concept is antithetical to the modern liberal who believes government to be a force of good.

    “The Second Amendment was to protect the ability of the people to violently overthrow the government,” writes Richard Schrade, an attorney from Georgia and member of the Libertarian National Committee. “Let’s remember that this country was formed in a violent revolution. Let’s remember that at Lexington and Concord citizen fired on and killed government soldiers sent by the central government to confiscate their weapons and arms….

    When viewed in this light, it is apparent that a limitation on automatic weapons would be an infringement on the purposes of the Second Amendment.”

    If Obama supporters, Democrats, “progressives” and others demanding the government take our firearms in a misplaced effort to stop maniacs from killing people were honest, they would work to repeal the Second Amendment instead of chipping away at it piecemeal. “If we are going to have gun control then let’s not dicker around the fringes. Let those who would limit the law-abiding citizen’s access to arms first repeal the Second Amendment. That would be the intellectually honest way to address the issue."

    Such a debate is only possible today because formerly free men no longer have a grasp of history and have been brainwashed by decades of government mandated public education and propaganda.

    Early on in America, both the Federalists and the anti-Federalists agreed that arms and liberty are inextricably linked. George Mason and others knew reflexively that the most effective way to enslave a people is to disarm them. Mason, in particular, argued that divine providence had given every individual the right of self-defense – including the right to defend against a tyrannical government. Today, we have forgotten all of this.

    Obama can easily get away with making an outrageous speech about hunting and target shooting and almost completely ignore criticism and not be called to task. We are told that he is a constitutional scholar. How could a constitutional scholar be completely ignorant of the Second Amendment’s true purpose and the admonitions of the founders? What constitutional scholar would be ignorant of Jefferson’s famous assertion, made in a letter to William Smith in 1787, that the “tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants”?

    Obama is not a constitutional scholar. It is a phony title like just about everything else about the man. He is a teleprompter reader for a shadow global elite determined to debar access to weapons and take away those already in our possession. Not because of maniacs in theaters or classrooms, but in order to render us helpless against the violence of the state.


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    I don't really think this a left / right issue...

    Playing the paradigm game is part of the problem...



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    Dear Mother Fuckers in the Liberal Socialist Mind Set,... this is the only reason China hasn't slammed into our west coast, and we have never been attacked on this continent in the last 200 years and never will be, when all the candy asses surrender themselves, you better hope these guys are still standing.



    God Bless the Hunters, Gun Owners, who keep thier trigger, exersized.
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    1941 pearl harbour
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    911, San Juan Harbor..,, yeah etc... I,... know.

    And I also mean these exact 4 guys and the guy who took the pics, as long as they are standing we sleep in peace...lol

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    1941 pearl harbour
    The Japanese did that one, not the Chinese. Then of course that resulted in a bunch of yanks coming over there where the overpaid, oversexed, and over here bit started.
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    The only way they can legally get rid of the 2nd Amendment is to follow the amendment process as outlined in the US Constitution. Put it up to a vote and see how far it gets. Not very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The Japanese did that one, not the Chinese. Then of course that resulted in a bunch of yanks coming over there where the overpaid, oversexed, and over here bit started.
    Yeah I knew who started it , thought he meant 200 years in general not 200 years by china ...

    As for the over here bit .... Man we were getting tired of keeping them nazi up and were looking share the glory about

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    We're being attacked from within, and our wonderful imposter president answers to the UN and not the Constitution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The only way they can legally get rid of the 2nd Amendment is to follow the amendment process as outlined in the US Constitution. Put it up to a vote and see how far it gets. Not very far.
    They will do it by small City while no-one is looking, then County, then State.

    Just like I have always posted around here, do you all even know who is on your local city council, the Napoleon Complex, these little egoists have, they won the debate team in highschool and college, but couldn't get thier movie career going, failed at their state senate aspirations, and now they think thier legacy needs to be as though they were the framers of, The Constitution.


    They will start in the local townships and no-one reads the things they are doing,.. no-one shows up for the votes, they aren't even published in your local fish wrap.

    From within is correct!!! Small and tiny like a church mouse with a pen and ink.

    Like a thief in the night, they will!!

    The only thing crazy about the wino on the corner is, his sign.. it shouldn't read, "the end is near"
    it should read, "the end is right over there in your city council meeting, so close you cannot see it".

    EDIT: It may read can't intead of cannot, winos are know slackers and probably use contractions!!!

    Keep The Faith Bitches!!!

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    Hey carrot...

    This may help you:

    Get some acetone and wipe the letters off of your keyboard and relabel them however seems best to you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarathecarrot View Post
    They will do it by small City while no-one is looking, then County, then State.

    Just like I have always posted around here, do you all even know who is on your local city council, the Napoleon Complex, these little egoists have, they won the debate team in highschool and college, but couldn't get thier movie career going, failed at their state senate aspirations, and now they think thier legacy needs to be as though they were the framers of, The Constitution.


    They will start in the local townships and no-one reads the things they are doing,.. no-one shows up for the votes, they aren't even published in your local fish wrap.

    From within is correct!!! Small and tiny like a church mouse with a pen and ink.

    Like a thief in the night, they will!!

    The only thing crazy about the wino on the corner is, his sign.. it shouldn't read, "the end is near"
    it should read, "the end is right over there in your city council meeting, so close you cannot see it".

    EDIT: It may read can't intead of cannot, winos are know slackers and probably use contractions!!!

    Keep The Faith Bitches!!!
    Things always rot from the inside out. That's how Rome fell and that's how we are falling. Once too many politicians buy too many votes with other people's money you are on the slippery slope. I get tired of hearing people say they got this for free. Nothing is for free and some things you sell your soul to politicians to get. If they are powerful enough to give it to you, they are powerful enough to take it away from you. Most people today would elect another Hitler for a free hot dog.

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    In that sense, Romney would be a more stable president...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    In that sense, Romney would be a more stable president...

    Yeah, just look at all the "stability" that 30 years of BCE/Randtard economic destruction has accomplished so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Things always rot from the inside out. That's how Rome fell and that's how we are falling. Once too many politicians buy too many votes with other people's money you are on the slippery slope. I get tired of hearing people say they got this for free. Nothing is for free and some things you sell your soul to politicians to get. If they are powerful enough to give it to you, they are powerful enough to take it away from you. Most people today would elect another Hitler for a free hot dog.
    You are correct most also say when Rome reached the point that 51% of the people were supported by thee taxes of the 49% that labored for a income....( employed on the backs of the working class).

    Obama care will increase the employment of government workers by the millions, I am sure.

    More stress on the working people and the tax base...some say that is why we are where we are now..it will only get worse, if the Democrats have thier way.

    They will create a socialist state and we will crumble into a no win scenario, of overburdened the overtaxed, unable to support the majority by the minority, just as Rome did.

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    Obamacare is right out of the communist manifesto if you look at it. It will destroy what's left of the middle class through taxation and it allows the government to take over more of the economy. Of course by saying "The Government" you say the banks because they have printed enough funny money to buy off most the politicians. They just have a Marxist puppet at the moment instead of a Skull and Bonehead fascist.

    It's the banks people and they are playing us like fools. As long as we are divided and focus our attention on red herrings like gay marriage and all that other garbage they got us. These guys are cocky and laughing. Occupy Wall Street? I guess when the congress and president said you can be arrested indefinately with no due process for protesting that kind of ended that idea. It's getting whittled away folks. They are taking it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Hey carrot...

    This may help you:

    Get some acetone and wipe the letters off of your keyboard and relabel them however seems best to you...
    Those were the days huh Elvis..? line cameras, picas, t-squares and actuall hand done paste-up I miss my rubber eraser smell more.

    But the acetone was good for a lunch hour escape..huh?

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    They're not whittling anymore though...

    It's full steam ahead...

    Just wait for Obama's next term, he might even tell us his real name...

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    Historically when a superpower is this far gone, they usually just thrash around a bit before they break apart. I wouldn't be suprised to see the US split into sepparate countries. Either we have a constitutional convention that settles it or certain states just say fuck this and that ends up in another war and the end result of that settles it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Obamacare is right out of the communist manifesto if you look at it. It will destroy what's left of the middle class through taxation and it allows the government to take over more of the economy. Of course by saying "The Government" you say the banks because they have printed enough funny money to buy off most the politicians. They just have a Marxist puppet at the moment instead of a Skull and Bonehead fascist..
    Right..... because nothing says "Marxism" like mandatory payments to private corporations

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    They're not whittling anymore though...

    It's full steam ahead...

    Just wait for Obama's next term, he might even tell us his real name...
    I see is as a failed banking system desperately trying to just take everything over before their funny money ponzi scheme stops working. Obama is their main tool in this country right now to do that with. Look at his exective orders. It's going to hit the fan one way or another. The sitution is not sustainable. As soon as they are done with Obama they will toss him to the dogs. He's expendable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Right..... because nothing says "Marxism" like mandatory payments to private corporations
    Call it fascism if you want. But the corporations bought the government so it can be marxism as well. Bush duped the conservatives and Obama duped the liberals. Nobody got what they were hoping to get and the bankers laugh. They have more power than ever if they can hold it. If someone doesn't blow their heads off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELBOW View Post
    Just wait for Obama's next term...

    Never mind the Alex Jones ass-puppetry, are you already conceding the election?






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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I don't really think this a left / right issue...

    Playing the paradigm game is part of the problem...


    PART of the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Never mind the Alex Jones ass-puppetry, are you already conceding the election?






    Pretty much, people vote by what they see on TV, by looks, by color, by everything under the sun except what matters...

    People are stupid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Pretty much, people vote by what they see on TV, by looks, by color, by everything under the sun except what matters...

    People are stupid...

    But you're saying the majority aren't stupid enough to vote for WRONGney.







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    I've had enough of Obama and his lies...

    He lied to get elected, trying someone else is a safer bet than more lies...

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    That's the same idiot logic that got us W. "Lied to get elected"? Elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    But you're saying the majority aren't stupid enough to vote for WRONGney.


    The majority didn't vote for Chimpy either, but that didn't stop them.

    They're already stealing this election, and Diebold isn't even involved..... yet.

    But this shouldn't surprise anyone. All these voter suppression bills are coming from the KKKoch funded "American Legislative Exchange Council" (who apparently want to exchange the American legislative process for unrestrained corporate fascism)

    ALEC's original founder was a douchetube named Paul Weyrich, who made his feelings about voting clear, back in 1980....


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    We already have unrestrained corporate fascism...

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    Weyrich's statement is so - fucking Un-American...geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I've had enough of Obama and his lies...

    He lied to get elected, trying someone else is a safer bet than more lies...
    I know you aren't voting for Mittens then, because he's a serial liar.

    As well as a serial bully, and serial tax cheat. And based on his own insistence that "corporations are people, my friends", that would make him a serial killer as well.

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    You need to find some other website to spew Obama campaign commercial bullshit...

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    The 4 Most Meaningless Arguments Against Gun Control


    http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-mo...t-gun-control/

    With 12 dead and 58 injured, the recent The Dark Knight Rises midnight massacre is currently the largest mass shooting in American history. With it comes the familiar conversation of whether or not to have an actual conversation about gun control. Even when a congresswoman gets shot, Congress doesn't seem interested in discussing the issue past "This was a terrible and violent crime. Our prayers are with-" and I don't know the rest, because I stopped listening, because prayers don't actually do anything. Except of course in Forrest Gump, when Jenny turns into a bird and flies far, far away from there.
    But I'm not here to argue how many times prayers have been answered (according to Wikipedia, as many as but not exceeding 404 times!). Nor am I here to give concrete solutions about the gun problem our country and planet faces. NOR am I saying that gun control is the ONLY problem in these cases. As some have pointed out, a better mental health system would likely reduce the amount and frequency of these tragic events. NOR am I here to offend gun nuts by referring to them as "gun nuts." I've shot guns a few times, and I have guns to thank for helping me look the coolest I will ever look.

    But guns are still a part of the core problem. If everything goes as expected this time around, not much will happen. But if nothing goes as expected, maybe we'll finally end up in a real conversation about guns and safety. And if we want that conversation to move beyond a simple "Well, that was tragic, here's hoping something like it doesn't happen again, and again, and again," then we need to stop saying the following four things, because they lead to nowhere. And as we all know, nothing gets done nowhere.

    #4. "Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People"


    I almost didn't include this, because it's such a silly and empty dodge of the real conversation behind it. I hear and read it so often, though, that I decided to include it. You can tell by you reading this now. Here I am, including it.

    Now, people DO kill people. That much is true. It has always been true, before we even had tools. Before we were even people. And that killing truth is indeed part of the problem. Humanity is persistently inconsistent and complex, even in the reasons we kill: desperation, survival, anger or accident, to name a few of the big ones. Insanity, to name the currently most relevant one. Bottom line, though, is that many of us are killers. It's what half of the above saying means: Human nature is deeply intertwined with violence and killing, and we as a species need to evolve past that in order to move forward into the vast playground of the Universe.
    Yes, people kill people, and that is terrible. But guns? Guns also kill people. The first gunpowder weapon to exist is the fire lance, and it was created by the Chinese around the 12th century. The first description of their use was in the Shou Cheng Lu, an account of the siege of De An in 1132. It describes the Song forces using fire lances against the Jurchens, presumably because they were such jerk-ens. Since the beginning, guns were invented by the people, for the people, to kill the people. They puncture your flesh until you die. That's what they're for. Yes, guns can also be used for hunting, or maybe for nope just hunting. Killing people, and killing animals. Guns don't do anything other than kill. Guns kill. That's, like, the fucking point.

    So the true saying here isn't "Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People." That's, I'm sorry, fucking stupid. It should actually read "Guns Kill, and People Kill People." If the problem is really "people kill," then the solution shouldn't be "Here, people. Have this instrument that makes it super easy to kill." If we perpetuate the thought that killstruments are OK, we will never be able to evolve past our violent roots. "People Kill People" will always be true as long as we create and nourish a culture where killing is an option.

    One could say, though, that killing is always an option, even without guns. There are countless tools at our disposal that could double as instruments of death. So ...

    #3. "Fire and Drugs Kill People, Too. You Wanna Outlaw Matches and Drugs?"

    As far as that first bit is concerned, I couldn't agree more. Fire and drugs kill people. I am so agreeing with that right now. But in this article by Scott L. Bach, president of guns and stuff, he puts forth an argument in favor of guns and stuff that takes it too far. It is a very common yet very broken argument, so I'll just copy/paste it for you right here:

    "When an arsonist lights a match that burns a building, is the match at fault? Are match manufacturers responsible for the fire? Should laws be passed prohibiting you from having and using matches, or restricting which types you can have, and in what quantities?

    "The obvious answer to these questions is no. The same match that is misused by the arsonist lights the fireplace that warms us, and the stove that feeds us. The match has no mind of its own. It is not an evil invention. Its purpose is to ignite, nothing more. If it is misused, the solution is to punish the individual wrongdoer. Everyone else should be left alone.

    "The same is true of firearms."

    OK. Simply put, "Nuh-uh."

    A match has many uses completely unrelated to causing death. A match is not manufactured or intended for death. And the same goes for drugs (unless of course you're talking about the death of the walls confining us to our limited understanding of perception, man). In fact, the same goes for basically anything other than a firearm. Tools are misused to kill people, it's true. But tools are meant for something else entirely. Tools build and fix and aid and improve. Firearms do not. If used correctly, a firearm is meant to, in an instant, kill or destroy something. If a gun is used incorrectly, it would actually mean that something doesn't get shot.



    Again, I'm not saying we should outlaw guns. But the conversation can't progress if people keep using arguments that ignore what guns actually are, and what they are used for. Likening a gun to a match or recreational drugs or an icicle or [anything else that can cause death] is an attempt to lighten the weight of a firearm's actual purpose. Guns and [anything else] are not the same. They should not be discussed as though they are.



    OK, then how do you propose I get my goddamn kids back?




    Oh, right, what of me and my situation with my kids? What of the people who use guns to stand in the way of those who would use them for killing? "What of those people?" I am forcing you to ask right now. Because guns don't only kill. There's hunting (read: killing), target practice (read: practicing killing) and defense! Forgot about defense! Yeah! That's the one! Defense! Because as we all know ...

    #2. "Guns Save Lives."

    After last week's shooting, some are saying that the tragedy could have been avoided if someone in that audience had been holding a gun. Ignoring the intense panic and huge crowd, the tear gas filling the theater and the body armor the shooter was wearing, sure, maybe someone could have gotten a good shot off. After all, there are many success stories of defensive gun uses, or DGUs. Around the Internet, many people toss around the number "2.5 million," as in "There are 2.5 million DGUs a year." That's quite a lot of lives possibly saved. Now compare it to, say, the 75,684 gun-related injuries back in 2000, or the 31,224 gun-related deaths in 2007. Two and a half million! Wowzers!

    Except "2.5 million" comes from a single study back in 1993. A study that involved calling 4,977 people across the country, asking them a few gun questions and then adjusting the number to fit the population of the whole country. The number is both highly cited and highly disputed. Not only are the figures not enough to make an accurate estimate (other studies range from 50,000 to 2 million), but the results don't actually translate to "lives saved thanks to gun use." They refer to a gun being involved in the presumed protection of a person or thing. This could be a life-threatening situation or a situation where a gun wasn't needed at all. DGUs include people who were in actual danger of losing their lives, as well as people who were George Zimmerman. Regardless, the general consensus is that 2.5 million is a gross exaggeration.

    So we have a mixed bag of "guns saving lives" scenarios. In some cases, guns will stop a crime. In others, guns will kill a maybe criminal. In others still, they will be a part of a terrible accident. It's quite a gamble. Like Russian roulette, only no one knows they're playing it. And now, since the Dark Knight shooting, gun sales have gone up thanks to a healthy dose of fear. More potential to save a life, and just as much more potential to end one. I of course don't want to belittle the success stories, though. A life saved is fantastic, and however many lives saved is however many fantastics.

    But the real problem with a "guns save lives" argument is the language used. People talk about "defensive gun uses" and their right to defend themselves and their property. But there's actually nothing defensive about a gun. They are all ATTACK. They are made and used for offense. "Defense," on the other hand, is resistance against an attack. Defense is protection, something that STOPS an attack. Wearing a condom is defense, whereas punching yourself in the balls is offense. Protection is a bullet-proof vest, or mace, or a security system. A gun is not defense. The widespread use of an actual defensive weapon would potentially save more lives than a gun because, again, guns are for killing, not protecting. The sooner we are all provided a weapon LIKE a gun that merely incapacitates a person, the sooner we can safely defend ourselves, instead of defending ourselves by killing each other.



    OK, that poster isn't super relevant. I just felt like lightening the mood. Because I don't want to say that "Guns Save Lives" is absolutely meaningless. But it is muddy. It's just not all there, which makes it not have true meaning in the context of the larger conversation. The truth is, "Guns Have Saved Lives. Guns Have Ended Lives. Guns Are Meant to Kill." The issue isn't whether or not we have the right to protect ourselves and others, it's whether or not guns are the best instrument to do the protecting.

    Speaking of rights, none of this actually matters, because ...

    #1. "Well, the Second Amendment Says ..."

    Stop it. Technically yes, the Second Amendment says what you were going to say before I cut you off, but stop it. I'll tell you what the Second Amendment says.

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    There's quite a lot of debate over what this actually means, and many will argue that the amendment only refers to people in a militia. So if you're not in a militia, then you should not have a gun. Except in 2008, the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment protects the right of an individual to possess a firearm. So there. The Second Amendment wins. You can grab your gat and go get your kids back now.

    Except that court ruling doesn't have as much meaning as you think, in the long run. The very nature of the Constitution is not permanent. We're talking about the Second Amendment, after all. The Constitution is supposed to be amended. Not only that, it's supposed to be completely rewritten. Take it from Thomas Jefferson:

    "Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right."

    Our Constitution, of course, has not been rewritten in more than 200 years (read: ever). But people change, and nations change. Ideals and rights change. Life was, ya know, totally way different 230 years ago. It's quite possible that the people no longer require or even want every citizen to have the ability of point-and-shoot death. We should also consider what "bear arms" meant when it was written. Back then, guns were muskets, and muskets could fire about three incredibly inaccurate rounds per minute. Today, an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle can shoot off more than 60 rounds per minute with extreme accuracy, and reload in seconds. Perhaps it's time to reevaluate our needs and freedoms. In fact, regardless of the gun control issue, perhaps we're about 200 years late on reevaluating our needs and freedoms.



    All I'm really asking is that when the conversation starts, let's actually have it. These basically meaningless phrases always seem to stop the conversation from even beginning. Let's move past that, and really look at ourselves and our country and our planet and our future. Let's consider who we are on a larger scale, and who we want to be, and where we are headed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    You need to find some other website to spew Obama campaign commercial bullshit...
    Quoth the guy posting Alex Jones conspiracy horseshit...

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    That's some real UN-American bullshit right there...

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    So assfail, where do you think the next CIA shooting will be ??

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    you guys are at it day in day out, have you agreed to disagree yet
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    Fuck no!!!

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