Republican Senate Nominee Says Women Don't Really Get Pregnant From Rape

[Hardrock69]

This guy is an obvious product of a Republican/Christian-sanctioned sex-education program.

http://gawker.com/5936050/republican-senate-nominee-explains-that-women-dont-really-get-pregnant-from-legitimate-rape

Republican Senate Nominee Explains That Women Don’t Really Get Pregnant From ‘Legitimate Rape’

Get ready for some cold, hard science facts.

Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri, doesn't think abortion in the case of rape is really an issue. That's because he has it on good authority that women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape" anyway.

First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

The nonsense term "legitimate rape" aside, this claim is based on the belief that the female body won't let itself become pregnant during a rape, I guess because the women don't want to have a baby?

That does nothing to explain all the children born from rape and incest, or any number of accidental pregnancies. Women get pregnant without willing it all the time. Perhaps Rep. Akin would argue that their bodies simply weren't working hard enough.

But seriously, thanks for your insight, legitimate contender for public office in 2012.

UPDATE:
Akin says that he "misspoke."

Yes, this is a typical statement by a typical Republican Christian. If Christians had their way, there would be NO sex education in schools, PERIOD.

Then the teen pregnancy rate would go through the roof, as would the rate of illegal abortions (you have to figure if Christians had enough power to ban sex-education, they would outlaw abortions as well).

The ignorance of the Republican Party is bad enough. This guy in particular should be awarded a medal for "Stupidity above and beyond the call of Republican duty".

[FORD]

What the fuck is a "legitimate rape" anyway?

Is this what this teabagging fuck calls his usual after church activities on Sunday? (Involving either his children or his neighbor's sheep, depending on his mood)

[Seshmeister]

God is pro rape so why wouldn't a fundamentalist be.

This is the word of God

Rape In The Bible

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".

6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

[ZahZoo]

Them good Christians from Missouri must still think pregnancy only occurs when you mix underwear in the laundry...

[FORD]

Todd Akin, Paul Ryan, and Redefining Rape

—By Nick Baumann
Sun Aug. 19, 2012 3:21 PM PDT



Rep. Paul Ryan (left), now the GOP nominee for vice-president,
introduces his 2012 budget as Rep. Todd Akin (right) and other
congressional Republicans look on.
Pete Marovich/ZUMAPRESS.com

On Sunday, Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), who is challenging Sen. Claire McCaskill in the Missouri Senate race, used an interview with a local television station to defend his belief that abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape: He claimed that women who are the victims of "legitimate rape" are unlikely to become pregnant. Akin said that the female body has "biological defenses" that prevent rape victims from getting pregnant. (That's not true.) The implication of his position is that if you were raped and became pregnant, you must have actually wanted it—it wasn't really rape.

This isn't the first time Akin has expressed fringe views about rape in the context of the abortion debate. Last year, Akin, vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and most of the House GOP co-sponsored a bill that would have narrowed the already-narrow exceptions to the laws banning federal funding for abortion—from all cases of rape to cases of "forcible rape."
Drugged, raped, and pregnant? Too bad, says the House GOP.

After I reported on the "forcible rape" language in January 2011, a wave of outcry from abortion-rights, progressive, and women's groups led the Republicans to remove it. But a few months later, in a congressional committee report, Republicans wrote that they believed the bill would continue to have the same effect despite the absence of the "forcible" language.

So why was the "forcible" language so important? Pro-life advocates believed they needed to include the word "forcible" in the law to pre-empt what National Right to Life Committee lobbyist Doug Johnson called a "brazen" effort by Planned Parenthood and other groups to obtain federal funding for abortions for any teenager by (falsely) claiming statutory rape. Abortion rights groups, Johnson warned, wanted to "federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers." Richard Doerflinger, the US Council of Catholic Bishops' top anti-abortion lobbyist, echoed Johnson in congressional testimony, arguing that the "forcible" language was "an effort on the part of the sponsors to prevent the opening of a very broad loophole for federally funded abortions for any teenager." Planned Parenthood flatly denied having a plan to open up such a loophole.

The idea that women who are "legitimate" rape victims can't get pregnant has currency in some corners of the fringe right. Akin embraces it. Does he embrace the conspiracy theory about the need for the "forcible rape" language, too?

[Nickdfresh]

To be fair Ford, the Romney ticket is denouncing this even though Doogie Munster apparently believed women should be forced to have their rapists' babies...

[envy_me]

God I hope that there aren't any women who actually believe this. But there probably are :-/
The only rape that is kinda okey, but not really, is facerape.

[FORD]

Doogie Munster

[Nickdfresh]

You heard it here first!

[Hardrock69]

Made the ABC National News tonight. Did not watch the other channels, but I am sure they probably picked it up as well.

And of course Obama took advantage of the Retardlicans fuckup to say what any rational human being would say: That what Akin said is pretty fucked up.

And yes, in response to someone else who wanted to go off on us for calling them Retardlicans, idiots, etc., it is because they fucking are.

They base their political stance on a fairy tale about an undead zombie whose mother was RAPED by God, and are stupid enough to believe it to somehow be factual history.
Not only that, they somehow think of the RAPE of Mary (wife of Joseph, mother of Jesus) to be PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.

I do not find rape to be acceptable. AT ALL!

IF GOD IS A RAPIST, HE IS EVIL AND NEEDS TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER!

Anyone who believes such idiocy is a moron.

My 2 cents.

We now return you to our regularly schedule program: "The Political Suicide Of The Retardlican Party In The 2012 Presidential Race", which is the sequel to "The Political Suicide Of The Retardlican Party In The 2008 Presidential Race".

What is interesting, is that it is becoming quite apparent that the only way the Retardlicans can win a presidential race is by outright fraud.

The 2000 race was stolen in Florida, the 2004 race was stolen in Ohio. With more stringent vote safeguards in place, the 2008 election could not have been skewed to favor the Fascists, and it is highly unlikely it can happen in 2012. But of course what helps is that you have Religious Morons running for office, and most of the voter blocks are not stupid enough to vote for idiots like that.

[binnie]

God I hope that there aren't any women who actually believe this. But there probably are :-/
The only rape that is kinda okey, but not really, is facerape.

What is 'facerape'?

[binnie]

Looks like the standard of sex ed amongst that generation was pretty woeful. It's almost like the 'a girl can't get pregnant on her first time' nonesense you still hear.

It's quite simple really:

1) If someone is so drunk they don't know where they are they can't consent. Therefore, having sex with them is rape.
2) If someone says that they don't want to have sex, even if they have been fooling around with you, and you force yourself on them then it is rape.
3) If someone is under the age of consent then they cannot - by definition - consent, and having sex with them is rape.
4) Being married to someone is not an obligation to have sex with them. Rape can - and, I'm afraid to say, does - happen in marriage and should be far, far more widely prosecuted.

It is certainly the case that whilst all versions of rape are heinous, some are even more heinous still. Obviosuly, beating someone and subjecting them to hours of ordeal is a far worse crime than taking advantage of someone who is drunk - but limiting rape to the violent/assault kind is a way of lessing other forms of non-consensaul sex. And that, I'm afraid, is just not acceptable in the 21st century.

I don't care if a girl is giving you the eye all night, bumping and grinding with you on the dance floor, comes home with you after the club, strips naked and teases you: if she then decides that she does not want to have sex with you you are a piece of shit if you force the issue. She may be foolish and downright frustrating - but you are a criminal.

Rant over.

[Seshmeister]

What is 'facerape'?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=face%20rape

[Seshmeister]

Looks like the standard of sex ed amongst that generation was pretty woeful. It's almost like the 'a girl can't get pregnant on her first time' nonesense you still hear.

It's quite simple really:

1) If someone is so drunk they don't know where they are they can't consent. Therefore, having sex with them is rape.
2) If someone says that they don't want to have sex, even if they have been fooling around with you, and you force yourself on them then it is rape.
3) If someone is under the age of consent then they cannot - by definition - consent, and having sex with them is rape.
4) Being married to someone is not an obligation to have sex with them. Rape can - and, I'm afraid to say, does - happen in marriage and should be far, far more widely prosecuted.

It is certainly the case that whilst all versions of rape are heinous, some are even more heinous still. Obviosuly, beating someone and subjecting them to hours of ordeal is a far worse crime than taking advantage of someone who is drunk - but limiting rape to the violent/assault kind is a way of lessing other forms of non-consensaul sex. And that, I'm afraid, is just not acceptable in the 21st century.

I don't care if a girl is giving you the eye all night, bumping and grinding with you on the dance floor, comes home with you after the club, strips naked and teases you: if she then decides that she does not want to have sex with you you are a piece of shit if you force the issue. She may be foolish and downright frustrating - but you are a criminal.

Rant over.

I agree with all that of course.

The Assange case is troubling though, where do you draw the line?

http://rixstep.com/1/20110204,04.shtml

It was dark when they got off the train and they passed old industry buildings where he went off to pee. She also took a pee. When they arrived at her flat she went in before him into the bedroom to clean up a bit before he saw it. They took off their shoes and the relationship between them didn't feel warm anymore. The passion and excitement had disappeared. They made out in the bedroom but she wanted to brush her teeth. It was midnight, pitch black outside, and they brushed their teeth together - it felt banal and boring.

When they want back in the bedroom Julian stood in front of Sofia and grabbed her hips and pushed her demonstratively down on the bed, as if he were a real man. He took off his clothes and they had foreplay on the bed. They were naked and he rubbed his penis against her nether regions without penetrating her but he got closer and closer to her slit. She squeezed her legs together because she didn't want sex with him without protection. They carried on for hours and Julian couldn't get a full erection. Julian had no interest in using a condom.

Suddenly Julian said he was going to go to sleep. She felt rejected and shocked. It came so suddenly, they'd had a really long foreplay and then nothing. She asked what was wrong, she didn't understand. He pulled the blanket over himself, turned away from her, and fell asleep. She went out and got her fleece blanket because she was cold. She lay awake a long time wondering what had happened and exchanged SMS messages with her friends. He lay beside her snoring. She must have fallen asleep for later she woke up and they had sex. She'd earlier got the condoms and put them on the floor by the bed. He reluctantly agreed to use a condom even if he muttered something about preferring her to latex. He no longer had an erection problem. At one point when he mounted her from behind, she turned to look at him and smiled and he asked her why she was smiling, what she had to smile about. She didn't like the tone in his voice.

They fell asleep and when they woke up they could have had sex again, she's not really sure. He ordered her to get water and orange juice. She didn't like being ordered in her own home but thought 'whatever' and got the water and juice anyway. He wanted her to go out and buy more breakfast. She didn't want to leave him alone in the flat, she didn't know him well enough, but she did it anyway. When she left the flat he lay naked in her bed and was working with his phones. Before she left she said 'be good'. He replied 'don't worry, I'm always bad'. When she returned she served him oatmeal, milk, and juice. She'd already eaten before he woke up and spoken with a friend on the phone.

The Assault

They sat on the bed and talked and he took off her clothes again. They had sex again and she discovered he'd put the condom only over the head of his penis but she let it be. They fell asleep and she woke by feeling him penetrate her. She immediately asked 'are you wearing anything' and he answered 'you'. She told him 'you better not have HIV' and he replied 'of course not'. She felt it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue. She couldn't be bothered telling him again. She'd been nagging about condoms all night long. She's never had unprotected sex. He said he wanted to come inside her, he didn't say when he'd done it but he did it. There was a lot running out of her afterwards.

She told him what happens if she gets pregnant. He replied that Sweden was a good country for raising children. She told him jokingly that if she got pregnant then he'd have to pay her student loans. On the train to Enköping he'd told her he'd slept in Anna Ardin's bed after the crayfish party. She asked if he'd had sex with Anna but he said Anna liked girls, she was lesbian. But now she knows he did the same thing with Anna. She asked him how many times he'd had sex but he said he hadn't counted. He also said he'd had a HIV test three months earlier and he'd had sex with a girl afterwards and that girl had also taken a HIV test and wasn't infected. She said sarcastic things to him in a joking tone. She thinks she got the idea of taking the drama out of what had happened, he in turn didn't seem to care. When he found out how big her student loan was he said if he paid her so much money she'd have to give birth to the baby. They joked that they'd name the baby Afghanistan. He also said that he should always carry abortion pills that actually were sugar pills.

His phone rang and he had a meeting with Aftonbladet on Tuesday at noon. She explained to him that he'd not make the meeting on time and he pushed his entire schedule forward an hour. Then they rode her bicycle to the train station. She paid his ticket to Stockholm. Before they parted he told her to keep her phone on. She asked if he'd ring her and he said he would.

Afterwards

She rode her bicycle home, showered, and washed her bed sheets. Because she hadn't made it to work she called in sick and stayed home the whole day. She wanted to clean up and wash everything. There was semen on the bed sheets, she thought it was disgusting. She went to the chemist's and bought a 'morning after' pill.

When she talked with her friends afterwards she understood she was the victim of a crime. She went into Danderyd hospital and went from there to the Söder hospital. There she was examined and they even took samples with a so-called 'rape kit'.

Seems to me it's kind of an assault but the woman has to take a big responsibility for repeatedly having sex with a total asshole...

[ELVIS]

*yawn*

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