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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #16
    No, He just heals you...

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    • Hardrock69
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Feb 2005
      • 21838

      #17
      Well, technically (according to many Christians) Jesus is God, so theoretically he should be able to heal everyone on the planet at once.

      But since he does not do this, he must not exist.

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #18
        Yeah, Jesus doesn't exist and "CORPORATIONS" only control the republican party...

        Whatever dude...

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        • Dr. Love
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7825

          #19
          I think some things shouldn't be "for profit", but at the same time, I don't want our nation's health system to become like our nation's education system, which I'm convinced would happen if the government took control of it.
          I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

          http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49136

            #20
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            Hahahahaha....

            Dude, the government is not going to take care of you, as much as you want to believe they will...

            F U C K T H E S Y S T E M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            IT'S CORRUPT !!

            They do not give a fuck about you !!!!!
            As opposed to HMO's?

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49136

              #21
              Originally posted by Dr. Love
              I think some things shouldn't be "for profit", but at the same time, I don't want our nation's health system to become like our nation's education system, which I'm convinced would happen if the government took control of it.
              Local gov'ts control the edu'macational system the most, along with states...

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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35160

                #22
                Originally posted by ELVIS
                Yeah, Jesus doesn't exist and "CORPORATIONS" only control the republican party...
                You're half right...

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35160

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ELVIS
                  it's like Nitro said recently. Something like People will vote in another Hitler if you promise them a free hotdog...
                  You would or some new Christian Taliban version but fortunately the majority people wouldn't despite the fear mongering you promote.

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10620

                    #24
                    Here is an example of government death panels in action to patients under government care
                    - Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year
                    - Professor says doctors use 'death pathway' to euthenasia of the elderly
                    - Treatment on average brings a patient to death in 33 hours
                    - Around 29 per cent of patients that die in hospital are on controversial 'care pathway'
                    - Pensioner admitted to hospital given treatment by doctor on weekend shift


                    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz24T7ip7L0
                    NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
                    Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
                    He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.
                    It is designed to come into force when doctors believe it is impossible for a patient to recover and death is imminent.
                    It can include withdrawal of treatment – including the provision of water and nourishment by tube – and on average brings a patient to death in 33 hours.
                    There are around 450,000 deaths in Britain each year of people who are in hospital or under NHS care. Around 29 per cent – 130,000 – are of patients who were on the LCP.
                    Professor Pullicino claimed that far too often elderly patients who could live longer are placed on the LCP and it had now become an ‘assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway’.
                    He cited ‘pressure on beds and difficulty with nursing confused or difficult-to-manage elderly patients’ as factors.
                    Professor Pullicino revealed he had personally intervened to take a patient off the LCP who went on to be successfully treated.
                    He said this showed that claims they had hours or days left are ‘palpably false’.
                    In the example he revealed a 71-year-old who was admitted to hospital suffering from pneumonia and epilepsy was put on the LCP by a covering doctor on a weekend shift.

                    Professor Pullicino said he had returned to work after a weekend to find the patient unresponsive and his family upset because they had not agreed to place him on the LCP.
                    ‘I removed the patient from the LCP despite significant resistance,’ he said.
                    ‘His seizures came under control and four weeks later he was discharged home to his family,’ he said.
                    Professor Pullicino, a consultant neurologist for East Kent Hospitals and Professor of Clinical Neurosciences at the University of Kent, was speaking to the Royal Society of Medicine in London.

                    Distressing: The professor has claimed an approved technique of looking after the terminally ill is not being used in all hospitals
                    He said: ‘The lack of evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway makes it an assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway.
                    ‘Very likely many elderly patients who could live substantially longer are being killed by the LCP.
                    ‘Patients are frequently put on the pathway without a proper analysis of their condition.
                    ‘Predicting death in a time frame of three to four days, or even at any other specific time, is not possible scientifically.
                    This determination in the LCP leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy. The personal views of the physician or other medical team members of perceived quality of life or low likelihood of a good outcome are probably central in putting a patient on the LCP.’
                    He added: ‘If we accept the Liverpool Care Pathway we accept that euthanasia is part of the standard way of dying as it is now associated with 29 per cent of NHS deaths.’
                    The LCP was developed in the North West during the 1990s and recommended to hospitals by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence in 2004.
                    Medical criticisms of the Liverpool Care Pathway were voiced nearly three years ago.
                    Experts including Peter Millard, emeritus professor of geriatrics at the University of London, and Dr Peter Hargreaves, palliative care consultant at St Luke’s cancer centre in Guildford, Surrey, warned of ‘backdoor euthanasia’ and the risk that economic factors were being brought into the treatment of vulnerable patients.
                    In the example of the 71-year-old, Professor Pullicino revealed he had given the patient another 14 months of life by demanding the man be removed from the LCP.


                    Professor Pullicino said the patient was an Italian who spoke poor English, but was living with a ‘supportive wife and daughter’. He had a history of cerebral haemorrhage and subsequent seizures.
                    Professor Pullicino said: ‘I found him deeply unresponsive on a Monday morning and was told he had been put on the LCP. He was on morphine via a syringe driver.’ He added: ‘I removed the patient from the LCP despite significant resistance.’
                    The patient’s extra 14 months of life came at considerable cost to the NHS and the taxpayer, Professor Pullicino indicated.
                    He said he needed extensive support with wheelchair, ramps and nursing.
                    After 14 months the patient was admitted to a different hospital with pneumonia and put on the LCP. The man died five hours later.
                    A Department of Health spokesman said: ‘The Liverpool Care Pathway is not euthanasia and we do not recognise these figures. The pathway is recommended by NICE and has overwhelming support from clinicians – at home and abroad – including the Royal College of Physicians.
                    ‘A patient’s condition is monitored at least every four hours and, if a patient improves, they are taken off the Liverpool Care Pathway and given whatever treatments best suit their new needs.’

                    Professor Patrick Pullicino is concerned that doctors are using the controversial 'death' care pathway as a form of euthanasia for the elderly.
                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35160

                      #25
                      Did you even read that?

                      What a fucking idiotic headline.

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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10620

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        Did you even read that?

                        What a fucking idiotic headline.
                        Sesh, you can find this same story from The Guardian and most other British news sources. This guy's colleague's have verified his statements.

                        The case of patient neglect also runs rampant throughout your NHS.
                        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58754

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Local gov'ts control the edu'macational system the most, along with states...
                          And look at how well they're doing with it in Doc's state.
                          Eat Us And Smile

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                          • Dr. Love
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7825

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Local gov'ts control the edu'macational system the most, along with states...
                            I know, I wasn't advocating that the state government takes over healthcare ... that's just as scary. My point was that government is terrible at some things, but corporations are bad in a completely different way about it. I don't know what the right solution is.
                            I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                            http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                            • Jesus Christ
                              Veteran
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2428

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Hardrock69
                              So does Jesus have the ability to issue executive orders or pass congressional legislation?
                              My Kingdom is not of this world

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                              • Seshmeister
                                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                                • Oct 2003
                                • 35160

                                #30
                                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                                Sesh, you can find this same story from The Guardian and most other British news sources. This guy's colleague's have verified his statements.

                                The case of patient neglect also runs rampant throughout your NHS.
                                No fucking sane person would want to swap our system for yours.

                                Idiot conservatives in the US set up this straw man bullshit all the fucking time. It's not fucking complicated but whatever.

                                IN THE UK, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, FRANCE and everywhere fucking else you can take out private insurance and get healthcare as 'good' as the private healthcare in the US whenever the fuck you want.

                                The difference is our safety net is so vastly much higher than yours that most people don't feel the need to, yet our tax burden is almost the same.

                                YOU ARE BEING SCREWED. 30% of your healthcare spending goes to fund private insurers. They skim that off the top and bribe your politicians to keep it that way.

                                How anyone can possibly get to the fuckwit level of paranoia whereby they trust a fucking insurance company over a government administrator who doesn't give a shit either way is beyond me.

                                Follow the money, follow the motivation.

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