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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Fucking right and that is a very good thing.

    Many top that up with private income.

    Many physicians here are overpaid. In the US it's criminal how much money some of them make.

    No one should worry about physicians not making enough money...
    I think they SHOULD be paid well. Docs are crazy intelligent and have busted their ass for years to get where they are. Taking any sort of profit incentive out of the mix would have a detrimental effect on care, just as it has in the UK or Sweden or even France, where their healthcare system let over 11,000 Seniors die during the month of August several years back because of the heat. Combine that with the Euthanasia program in the UK, I guess Europeans believe the elderly should just be discarded to save a little money.
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    Exactly wrong - profit incentive is the LAST thing you want doctors to have. Are you insane? This is why you suffer so much from over prescribing in the US.

    How many people die each year in the US from over treatment?

    The figures show how even the number of Cesarean sections go up when the birth rates go down as gynecologists try and keep their income up.

    http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/i...3/freakonomics


    Our physicians are very well paid, yours are overpaid.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Exactly wrong - profit incentive is the LAST thing you want doctors to have. Are you insane? This is why you suffer so much from over prescribing in the US.
    I want a doc that has some incentive to earn my visits by excelling in his practice, not some run-of-the-mill dude working for a government check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    I want a doc that has some incentive to earn my visits by excelling in his practice, not some run-of-the-mill dude working for a government check.
    If you're gonna pay much money for the doctor you have to be rich. What about poor people? Don't they deserve good treatment? Or is human life valued on how much money you've got? Cause EVERYBODY can't be rich. In order for you to be rich, someone else has to be poor, cause the resources aren't unlimited.
    Or should we just continue feeding and eating off of Africa, so that everybody in west has it good, while they die from hunger and other misery.
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    So, in your opinion, does everybody who can't or won't take care of themselves deserve to be taken care of ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So, in your opinion, does everybody who can't or won't take care of themselves deserve to be taken care of ??
    So in your opinion EVERYBODY can be rich? What if everybody worked equaly, what would happend then?
    Don't you realize that it isn't about "taking care" of yourself, it's simple math. + - =0
    There aren't enough resources. It's impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    If you're gonna pay much money for the doctor you have to be rich.
    And thats a new phenomenon that didn't exist in the 60s...

    Big Pharma, the federal government, doctors and insurance companies in bed with each other for decades is what has caused the explosion in insurance rates...

    There was a time when people paid doctors out of pocket and it was affordable...

    The price for medical treatment has been artificially skyrocketing for our entire lives and Obamacare will do nothing rometly close to stoping it. In fact, it may make it worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    And thats a new phenomenon that didn't exist in the 60s...

    Big Pharma, the federal government, doctors and insurance companies in bed with each other for decades is what has caused the explosion in insurance rates...

    There was a time when people paid doctors out of pocket and it was affordable...

    The price for medical treatment has been artificially skyrocketing for our entire lives and Obamacare will do nothing rometly close to stoping it. In fact, it may make it worse...
    It is what it is.. you have to presuppose (I googled the word, is it right?) from that. I just have to google the word, just a sec.
    Last edited by envy_me; 08-25-2012 at 02:09 PM.

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    First of all, don't answer a question with questions, but anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    So in your opinion EVERYBODY can be rich?

    No, but a lot of people can do a hell of a lot better than they are now. but they're lazy and chose not to plan for next week, much less a serious health problem...

    What if everybody worked equaly, what would happend then?

    Not every able bodied person in the world choses to work or even get out of bed in the morning!

    I suppose you could force them to with communism, but I want freedom...


    Don't you realize that it isn't about "taking care" of yourself, it's simple math.

    Oh yes it is...

    That's how you build a successful life and community...

    it starts at the individual level, builds to family and it spreads out to the community...


    There aren't enough resources. It's impossible.

    Where did you hear that, David Rockefeller ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    First of all, don't answer a question with questions, but anyway...




    I do it just to see if there's ANY point in continuing the discussion. If you honestly can't see that the resources are limited, then there is no point in discussing...

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    Prove how the recources are limited...

    You can't just say it and make it so...

    That's what Obama does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    I do it just to see if there's ANY point in continuing the discussion.
    That's really fucking lame...

    That might work in the pub where some queer is after your adam's apple, but not with me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Prove how the recources are limited...

    You can't just say it and make it so...

    That's what Obama does...
    What? There isn't even enough food for everybody.. We are far overpopulated, and it's getting worse. If we were any kind of decent humans or christians ;-) we would not over consume in stuff and help out Africa, wich we have been milking close to death. Are you serious??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    That's really fucking lame...

    That might work in the pub where some queer is after your adam's apple, but not with me...
    It's not really about what works with you or not, it's about me wasting my energy on something that won't give any result. Why argue and argue when we know from the start that nobodys opinion will change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    It's not really about what works with you or not, it's about me wasting my energy on something that won't give any result. Why argue and argue when we know from the start that nobodys opinion will change?
    then stop
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    Quote Originally Posted by PETE'S BROTHER View Post
    then stop
    I am sobering up, and this isn't as much fun as it was after couple of glasses of wine. I am stopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So, in your opinion, does everybody who can't...take care of themselves deserve to be taken care of ??
    So basically, you would be in favor of a gov't death panel? Eh, Jesus fan?
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    Completely agree about resources. Do you have a problem with someone living at the US poverty level? Well, if you placed everyone in the world at that level, it would take about 4-5 earth's worth of resources to support the current, exploding, population.

    Prolly one of two things will happen. The earth will take care of the problem with a major disease. Aids was its 1st attempt, but we were too smart and figured out the cause. If aids would have come along 100 years ago, it would have wiped most of the human population off the planet. Id imagine the next disease wont be near as nice...it will spread, kill and mutate way too fast for our science to keep pace.

    The second scenerio is war. If you think wars over land, oil or religous disputes were bad...wait until theres one over water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    What? There isn't even enough food for everybody.. We are far overpopulated, and it's getting worse. If we were any kind of decent humans or christians ;-) we would not over consume in stuff and help out Africa, wich we have been milking close to death. Are you serious??
    Yes, I'm serious...

    You believe too much bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    It's not really about what works with you or not, it's about me wasting my energy on something that won't give any result. Why argue and argue when we know from the start that nobodys opinion will change?
    Why have the disscussion if you're already close-minded ??

    You starterd it, not me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    So basically, you would be in favor of a gov't death panel? Eh, Jesus fan?
    Why did you edit out "won't" ??

    To make your point ??

    Fuck you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yes, I'm serious...

    You believe too much bullshit...
    Believe? Don't you have eyes to see?

    I think I know what is going on.. You wanna "do right", but doing the right thing isn't that much fun. Status quo is much easier. But how are you gonna answer to the man above? When the times comes and you are at the pearly gates, you can just say "I didn't know any better"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    Believe? Don't you have eyes to see?

    I think I know what is going on..

    Based on what, what you think or feel is going on ??

    You wanna "do right", but doing the right thing isn't that much fun.

    Say's who you ??

    Status quo is much easier.

    What's "status quo", getting your government check in the mail ??

    But how are you gonna answer to the man above? When the times comes and you are at the pearly gates, you can just say "I didn't know any better"..

    I'm not gonna say anything!

    I'm gonna stand there trembling, hoping he says "well done, my good and faithful servant."




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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    You live in illusion, my friend.

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    No, you do...

    And I can say that authoritatively, by our age difference alone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Why did you edit out "won't" ??

    To make your point ??

    Fuck you!

    No, I edited out "or won't," idiot. Fuck you too you judgeMENTAL holier-than-now ignorant cunt...

    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So, in your opinion, does everybody who can't or won't take care of themselves deserve to be taken care of ??
    Bearing false witness, again? Baby Jesus is going to give you lots of demerits for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    But you can have if you wish.

    There is a crazy bullshit propaganda being fed to Americans that if you have a public healthcare system private healthcare suddenly becomes illegal.

    Bullshit. In fact anywhere outside Cuba it's encouraged because if you opt out and do your own thing it saves the government money.
    Actually Sesh, in Canada, you can't opt out of the public system, and private IS illegal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Actually Sesh, in Canada, you can't opt out of the public system, and private IS illegal...
    He knows that, it doesn't fit his argument...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    But you can have if you wish.
    Actually, no we can't.

    There is a crazy bullshit propaganda being fed to Americans that if you have a public healthcare system private healthcare suddenly becomes illegal.
    Private healthcare IS illegal in Canada...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    But you can have if you wish.

    There is a crazy bullshit propaganda being fed to Americans that if you have a public healthcare system private healthcare suddenly becomes illegal.

    Bullshit. In fact anywhere outside Cuba it's encouraged because if you opt out and do your own thing it saves the government money.
    No Sesh, we can't. Private health care IS illegal in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    No Sesh, we can't. Private health care IS illegal in Canada.

    Sesh couldn't find his ass with a GPS asslocator app, that was allready inside his ass.

    What these idiots don't understand is all citizens will be required to buy this, "free healthcare" and the money will go into a slush fund.

    Doctors and hospitals will be OWNED!!!!! by the government.

    If you do not comply with the required payments into this fund, you will be fined, ticketed, assumed a CRIMINAL!!!!

    Given a court date, furthur fined and sentenced to JAIL!!!!!

    If you do not comply.

    The forced labor camps are already built the trains are ready for transport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envy_me View Post
    You live in illusion, my friend.
    Of course he does.

    You are simply going through the process of learning it is useless to argue with an ignorant individual.
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    And still, back to the original topic, it is useless to claim "THE DEATH PANELS ARE STARTING!" because they have already been around for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    Of course he does.

    You are simply going through the process of learning it is useless to argue with an ignorant individual.
    In 95% of the cases I don't bother, but sometimes when I see an opening where I find something so simple and obvious that the person HAS GOT to get it, i say it. They never get it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Actually, no we can't.



    Private healthcare IS illegal in Canada...
    Really? Are you sure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    No, you do...

    And I can say that authoritatively, by our age difference alone...
    Not everyone develops at the same rate but I do remember when you were her age having to break the bad news about the tooth fairy to you on here.

    That was a traumatic couple of weeks for you but we got there in the end...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    No, you do...

    And I can say that authoritatively, by our age difference alone...
    Do you even know what money is? It is based on amount of gold that a country has, so instead of you going to the supermarket with a gold bar, you take a piece of paper to represent that god bar. The connections to gold are cut now, but the principle is the same.

    So if EVERYBODY is gonna be able to "take care of themselves" as you put it, and be rich you have two options:

    1. Everybody has to have high payed profession as let's say a doctor. Can your country survive with EVERYBODY being a doctor? Where is the garbage man? You are gonna drown in garbage. Society can't function without ALL professions. Wich leads us to:

    2. You have to raise the salery of let's say garbage men to the same level as a doctor, since they are both necessary, it's only fair. But where is all that money gonna come from? You can't print endless amount of money cause that makes the value go down. If all the gold in the country is representet by just one bill, it makes that bill woth a whole lot. If you print another bill, the first bill is suddenly worth just half of what it was worth to start with. You get the principle? Then you get the inflation. Where everybody gets a million dollas per month, but a loaf of bread costs two million dollars. That isn't working for a society.
    That is the problem you have now, you bought all the houses and cars on credit and when it's time to pay off there is no money. Cause there was no money to begin with.

    Everybody can't be rich, unfortunately, cause that is not how the society is built. It's only fair that the state helps out the poor people with health care.
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    That's the dumbest post you've made on these boards...



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