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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    Most Americans say the rich don't pay enough taxes

    By HOPE YEN | Associated Press – 19 hrs ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — As the income gap between rich and poor widens, a majority of Americans say the growing divide is bad for the country and believe that wealthy people are paying too little in taxes, according to a new survey.

    The poll released Monday by the Pew Research Center points to a particular challenge for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, whose party's policies are viewed by a wide majority as favoring the rich over the middle class and poor.

    The poll found that many Americans believe rich people to be intelligent and hardworking but also greedy and less honest than the average American. Nearly six in 10, or 58 percent, say the rich don't pay enough in taxes, while 26 percent believe the rich pay their fair share and 8 percent say they pay too much.

    Even among those who describe themselves as "upper class" or "upper middle class," more than half — or 52 percent — said upper-income Americans don't pay enough in taxes; only 10 percent said they paid too much. This upper tier was more likely to say they are more financially secure now than 10 years ago — 62 percent, compared to 44 percent for those who identified themselves as middle class and 29 percent for the lower class. They are less likely to report problems in paying rent or mortgage, losing a job, paying for medical care or other bills and cutting back on household expenses.

    The findings come at the start of this week's Republican National Convention and as both Romney and President Barack Obama seek to appeal to a broad swath of financially struggling voters who identify as middle class. Romney supports an extension of Bush-era tax cuts for everyone including the wealthiest 2 percent, and says his policies will benefit the middle class by boosting the economy and creating jobs.

    "The fact that Romney may be viewed as wealthy doesn't necessarily pose problems for his candidacy," said Kim Parker, associate director of Pew Social & Demographic Trends, noting that people see the wealthy as having both positive and negative attributes. "The challenge for Romney lies more in the fact that large majorities say if he is elected president, his policies would likely benefit the wealthy."

    The results reinforce a tide of recent economic data showing a widening economic divide. America's middle class has been shrinking in the stagnant economy and poverty is now approaching 1960s highs, while wealth concentrates at the top. A separate Pew survey earlier this year found that tensions between the rich and poor were increasing and at their most intense level in nearly a quarter-century.

    In fact, well-off people do shoulder a big share of the tax burden. Though households earning over $1 million annually comprise just 0.3 percent of all taxpayers, they pay 20 percent of all federal taxes the government is projected to collect this year, according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan group that studies tax policy. The figures included income, payroll and estate taxes. In contrast, households earning $50,000 to $75,000 a year accounted for 12 percent of taxpayers and contributed 9 percent of federal taxes, the center's data showed. Some 46 percent of households pay no federal income tax at all, although they do pay payroll, excise and other taxes.

    The American income tax system has long been designed to be progressive, meaning higher earners are expected to pay a greater share of their income than those making less.

    In this year's tax battle in Washington, Obama wants to let the current top rate of 35 percent for high earners rise to 39.6 percent next year. Congressional Republicans would reduce the top rate to 25 percent, while Romney would reduce it to 28 percent. Romney and GOP lawmakers have said they would eliminate some deductions to pay for the rate reductions, but have not specified which ones.

    According to Pew's latest findings, about 63 percent of Americans say the GOP favors the rich over the middle class and poor, and 71 percent say Romney's election would be good for wealthy people. A smaller share, 20 percent, says the same about the Democratic Party. More Americans — 60 percent — say if Obama is re-elected his policies will benefit the poor, while half say they'll help the middle class and 37 percent say they'll boost the wealthy.

    "The Great Recession was not an equal opportunity disemployer," said Sheldon Danziger, a public policy professor at the University of Michigan who describes the gap between rich and poor as the widest in decades. "College graduates, whites and middle-aged workers had fewer and shorter layoffs than high school graduates, blacks, Hispanics and younger workers. And, only a small percentage of the rich work in the hardest-hit industries, like construction and manufacturing."

    About 65 percent of Americans say the gap between rich and poor has gotten wider in the past decade, while 20 percent believe it has stayed the same and 7 percent say the gap has gotten smaller. Separately, 57 percent say a widening income gap is a bad thing for society; just 3 percent say it is a good thing.

    Asked to estimate how much a family of four would need to earn to be considered wealthy in their area, the median amount given by survey respondents was $150,000. For middle class, the median amount was $70,000.

    Many Americans see rich people as more likely to be intelligent (43 percent) and hardworking (42 percent) than average Americans. But the rich are also seen as more likely to be greedy (55 percent). Thirty-four percent of those surveyed say the rich are less likely to be honest than the average person; just 12 percent say the rich are more likely to be honest.

    The Pew survey involved telephone interviews with 2,508 adults conducted from July 16 to 26. It has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points.

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    AP Deputy Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta and reporter Alan Fram contributed to this report.

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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    #2
    Many Americans see rich people as more likely to be intelligent (43 percent) and hardworking (42 percent) than average Americans.
    What about the ones who've inherited it?

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      Most Americans say the rich don't pay enough taxes
      Because the corporate media propaganda machine, or CMPM© brainwashed them into thinking that...


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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        #4
        Originally posted by ELVIS
        Because the corporate media propaganda machine, or CMPM© brainwashed them into thinking that...


        Like Rupert Murdoch? Why would the "corporate media", owned primarily by the rich, want to brainwash anybody into forcing them to pay more taxes? Do you ever actually think about how stupid you sound when you type nonsensical bullshit?

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
          Why would the "corporate media", owned primarily by the rich, want to brainwash anybody into forcing them to pay more taxes?
          That's going into my signature you stupid fuck...


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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49125

            #6
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            That's going into my signature you stupid fuck...


            Good. Now you can be reminded about how continually retarded you sound with your dumb theories. Incidentally, Alex Jones also qualifies and "corporate media", you sister-diddler. He's making plenty of bank on dolts like you, and the Star™...

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58754

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              What about the ones who've inherited it?
              Exactly....

              Paris Hilton & Chimpy Bush are certainly rich. But nobody would mistake either one for intelligent.

              And both are walking advertisements for the need of an inheritance tax.
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              • ELVIS
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                • Dec 2003
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                #8
                Originally posted by nickdfresh
                alex jones also qualifies and "corporate media"
                lmao !!

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                • Redballjets88
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                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4453

                  #9
                  I understand the idea of millionaires and billionaires paying more than 1% (which in reality is rare, unless crime is involved in which case the gov is failing us by not finding/prosecuting the crime) but when a family combines to make 250k an they pay 80k in taxes please don't expect them to find it fair and vote for the guy who wants to raise their taxes
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                  • motherchicken
                    Registered User
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1017

                    #10
                    I'm poor. Poor as shit. Got back more than I paid every year for years now. But I don't that that rich people should pay a higher percentage of their earnings just because they have more to give. A flat tax rate with no loopholes is the only truly fair way to tax people. Figuring out how to do this probably not so easy.

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                    • Redballjets88
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                      • Mar 2005
                      • 4453

                      #11
                      I am also poor as shit and I'd rather give to taxes than give money to those who choose not to work hard enough to make their own way
                      R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                      hopefully God will ressurect you

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                      • ZahZoo
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 8966

                        #12
                        Originally posted by motherchicken
                        I'm poor. Poor as shit. Got back more than I paid every year for years now. But I don't that that rich people should pay a higher percentage of their earnings just because they have more to give. A flat tax rate with no loopholes is the only truly fair way to tax people. Figuring out how to do this probably not so easy.
                        I understand paying any tax on a low income hurts deeply... but I also do not believe anyone should ever get back more than they paid... ever. If that's really the case then get over here and mow my damn lawn!! You owe me and lot of other people...

                        A simple flat tax is really the way I think is fair. Just to make it real simple... income is income whether it's earned working or earned from investments. Also doesn't matter where it's earned here or abroad.
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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          But c'mon Zah...

                          Quite a few, or even most people don't know enough about the tax code and their own income to accurately determine whether or not they got back more than they paid in...

                          People are stupid...

                          Take asshale for example...

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                          • Angel
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7481

                            #14
                            Most Americans say the rich don't pay enough taxes

                            Originally posted by ZahZoo
                            I understand paying any tax on a low income hurts deeply... but I also do not believe anyone should ever get back more than they paid... ever.
                            I agree with you on that one. You can't get back a penny more than you pay in here, and your income has to be ridiculously low to be able to get it all back. Unless you're rich, then there's more loopholes. But even then I don't think anyone above the poverty line gets it all back because the higher your income, the higher your tax bracket.
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                            • motherchicken
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1017

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Angel
                              I agree with you on that one. You can't get back a penny more than you pay in here, and your income has to be ridiculously low to be able to get it all back. Unless you're rich, then there's more loopholes. But even then I don't think anyone above the poverty line gets it all back because the higher your income, the higher your tax bracket.
                              I cleary said I was poor as shit. I didn't cheat on my taxes to get more back than I paid. They just gave it to me. But I don't feel bad in the least. Before I wised up and started claiming zero dependants I owed every year. No refund. Just another bill.

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