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    Bush Admin/Neocons Ignored Continued Warnings of 9/11 Attacks

    September 10, 2012
    The Deafness Before the Storm
    By KURT EICHENWALD

    IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

    On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

    On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

    That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

    The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

    But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

    In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

    “The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.

    And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track.

    Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in interviews. The suggestion was batted down, they said, because there would be no time to train anyone else.

    That same day in Chechnya, according to intelligence I reviewed, Ibn Al-Khattab, an extremist who was known for his brutality and his links to Al Qaeda, told his followers that there would soon be very big news. Within 48 hours, an intelligence official told me, that information was conveyed to the White House, providing more data supporting the C.I.A.’s warnings. Still, the alarm bells didn’t sound.

    On July 24, Mr. Bush was notified that the attack was still being readied, but that it had been postponed, perhaps by a few months. But the president did not feel the briefings on potential attacks were sufficient, one intelligence official told me, and instead asked for a broader analysis on Al Qaeda, its aspirations and its history. In response, the C.I.A. set to work on the Aug. 6 brief.

    In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

    Could the 9/11 attack have been stopped, had the Bush team reacted with urgency to the warnings contained in all of those daily briefs? We can’t ever know. And that may be the most agonizing reality of all.

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    Kurt Eichenwald, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair and a former reporter for The New York Times, is the author of “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars.”
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    Still trying to make us believe it was all Bin Laden's fault, even though he denied any involvement ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Still trying to make us believe it was all Bin Laden's fault, even though he denied any involvement ??
    Are you really this much of a fucktard? I think Bush also denied any involvement also...

    In the 18-minute tape, bin Laden, who appeared to be sitting or standing at a table against a neutral background, said: "Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened."

    Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.

    "We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."
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    Those fucking Bin Laden tapes are fake, fucktard...

    Go look it up!!!

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    Let get right on those "fake tapes" that discerning journalists, including a specialist on Bin Laden who met him and was the only Western journalist to have interviewed him, have all said were real...

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    A Bin Laden specialist ??

    I'm impressed !!



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    A Bin Laden specialist ??

    I'm impressed !!


    They had an entire Bin Laden Unit at the CIA for many years....

    Even though President Dingbat didn't give a shit....

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    Bin Laden himself was CIA for many years. And a family friend of the BCE even before that.

    And that being the case, the ultimate responsibility for the events of 9-11-01 comes back to the BCE, regardless of which story you choose to believe.

    And yes, the "fat Osama" video "found" in November 2001, and the animatronic Osamabot video from Halloween 2004 were complete frauds.

    PNAC got exactly what they wanted....

    "this process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

    ...pretty damn convenient, huh?
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    Regardless of the reality, it's the whole mentality of never let a crises go to waste so we can grab more power and make more money that angers me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Regardless of the reality, it's the whole mentality of never let a crises go to waste so we can grab more power and make more money that angers me.
    Sending 4,409 U.S. serviceman to their deaths in vain is what angers me to this day....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    Sending 4,409 U.S. serviceman to their deaths in vain is what angers me to this day....
    That's fucking criminal, and W. and Cheney should be rotting in GitMo for it right now.

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    It's the military industrial complex and the CIA more than it is Bush and Cheeny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    It's the military industrial complex and the CIA more than it is Bush and Cheeny...
    And the BCE started both the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Bin Laden himself was CIA for many years. And a family friend of the BCE even before that.

    And that being the case, the ultimate responsibility for the events of 9-11-01 comes back to the BCE, regardless of which story you choose to believe.

    And yes, the "fat Osama" video "found" in November 2001, and the animatronic Osamabot video from Halloween 2004 were complete frauds.

    PNAC got exactly what they wanted....

    "this process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

    ...pretty damn convenient, huh?
    Bin Laden was never CIA, he got plenty of his money from Saudi donors and the like. The CIA had long lost control of what was going to the Mujaheddin, and to whom, by that point...

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    The 11th Anniversary of 9/11 ~ Paul Craig Roberts
    September 11, 2012

    In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy.

    You only have to know two things.

    One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

    It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.

    On 9/11 Doubts Were Immediate

    On September 11, 2001, a neighbor telephoned and said, “turn on the TV.” I assumed that a hurricane, possibly a bad one from the sound of the neighbor’s voice, was headed our way, and turned on the TV to determine whether we needed to shutter the house and leave.

    What I saw was black smoke from upper floors of one of the World Trade Center towers. It didn’t seem to be much of a fire, and the reports were that the fire was under control. While I was trying to figure out why every TV network had its main news anchor covering an office fire, TV cameras showed an airplane hitting the other tower. It was then that I learned that both towers had been hit by airliners.

    Cameras showed people standing at the hole in the side of the tower looking out. This didn’t surprise me. The airliner was minute compared to the massive building. But what was going on? Two accidents, one on top of the other?

    The towers—the three-fourths or four-fifths of the buildings beneath the plane strikes–were standing, apparently largely undamaged. There were no signs of fire except in the vicinity of where the airliners had hit. Suddenly, one of the towers blew up, disintegrated, and disappeared in fine dust. Before one could make any sense of this, the same thing happened to the second tower, and it too disappeared into fine dust.



    The TV news anchors compared the disintegration of the towers to controlled demolition. There were numerous reports of explosions throughout the towers from the base or sub-basements to the top. (Once the government put out the story of terrorist attack, references to controlled demolition and explosions disappeared from the print and TV media.) This made sense to me. Someone had blown up the buildings. It was completely obvious that the towers had not fallen down from asymmetrical structural damage. They had blown up.

    The images of the airliners hitting the towers and the towers blowing up were replayed time and again. Airliners hit the top portions of the towers, and not long afterward the towers blew up. I turned off the TV wondering how it was that cameras had been ready to catch such an unusual phenomenon as an airplane flying into a skyscraper.

    I don’t remember the time line, but it wasn’t long before the story was in place that Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda gang had attacked the US. A passport had been found in the rubble. Another airliner had flown into the Pentagon, and a fourth airliner had crashed or been shot down. Four airliners had been hijacked, meaning airport security had failed four times on the same morning. Terrorists had successfully assaulted America.

    When I heard these reports, I wondered. How could a tiny undamaged passport be found in the rubble of two skyscrapers, each more than 100 stories tall, when bodies, office furniture and computers could not be found? How could airport security fail so totally that four airliners could be hijacked within the same hour? How could authorities know so conclusively and almost immediately the names of the perpetrators who pulled off such a successful attack on the world’s only superpower, when the authorities had no idea that such an attack was planned or even possible?

    These questions disturbed me, because as a former member of the congressional staff and as a presidential appointee to high office, I had high level security clearances. In addition to my duties as Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury, I had FEMA responsibilities in the event of nuclear attack. There was a mountain hideaway to which I was supposed to report in the event of a nuclear attack and from which I was supposed to take over the US government in the event no higher official survived the attack.

    The more the story of 9/11 was presented in the media, the more wondrous it became. It is not credible that not only the CIA and FBI failed to detect the plot, but also all 16 US intelligence agencies, including the National Security Agency, which spies on everyone on the planet, and the Defense Intelligence Agency, Israel’s Mossad, and the intelligence agencies of Washington’s NATO allies. There are simply too many watchmen and too much infiltration of terrorist groups for such a complex attack to be prepared undetected and carried out undeterred.

    Washington’s explanation of the attack implied a security failure too massive to be credible. Such a catastrophic failure of national security would mean that the US and Western Europe were never safe for one second during the Cold War, that the Soviet Union could have destroyed the entire West in one undetected fell swoop.

    As a person whose colleagues at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington were former secretaries of state, former national security advisors, former CIA directors, former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I was troubled by the story that a collection of individuals unsupported by a competent intelligence service had pulled off the events of 9/11.

    As a person with high level government service, I knew that any such successful operation as 9/11 would have resulted in immediate demands from the White House, Congress, and the media for accountability. There would have been an investigation of how every aspect of US security could totally fail simultaneously in one morning. Such a catastrophic and embarrassing failure of the national security state would not be left unexamined.

    NORAD failed. The US Air Force could not get jet fighters in the air. Air Traffic Control lost sight of the hijacked airliners. Yet, instead of launching an investigation, the White House resisted for one year the demands of the 9/11 families for an investigation. Neither the public, the media, nor Congress seemed to think an investigation was necessary. The focus was on revenge, which the Bush neocon regime said meant invading Afghanistan which was alleged to be sheltering the perpetrator, Osama bin Laden.

    Normally, terrorists are proud of their success and announce their responsibility. It is a way to build a movement. Often a number of terrorist groups will compete in claiming credit for a successful operation. But Osama bin Laden in the last video that is certified by independent experts said that he had no responsibility for 9/11, that he had nothing against the American people, that his opposition was limited to the US government’s colonial policies and control over Muslim governments.

    It makes no sense that the “mastermind” of the most humiliating blow in world history ever to have been delivered against a superpower would not claim credit for his accomplishment. By September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden knew that he was deathly ill. According to news reports he underwent kidney dialysis the following month. The most reliable reports that we have are that he died in December 2001. It is simply not credible that bin Laden denied responsibility because he feared Washington.

    But Osama bin Laden was too useful a bogeyman, and Washington and the presstitute media kept him alive for another decade until Obama needed to kill the dead man in order to boost his sinking standings in the polls so that Democrats would not back a challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    Numerous bin Laden videos, every one pronounced a fake by experts, were released whenever it was convenient for Washington. No one in the Western media or in the US Congress or European or UK parliaments was sufficiently intelligent to recognize that a bin Laden video always showed up on cue when Washington needed it. “Why would the ‘mastermind’ be so accommodating for Washington?” was the question that went through my mind every time one of the fake videos was released.

    The 9/11 “investigation” that finally took place was a political one run from the White House. One member of the commission resigned, declaring the investigation to be a farce, and both co-chairman and the legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission distanced themselves from their report with statements that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail,” that resources were withheld from the commission, that representatives of the US military lied to the commission and that the commission considered referring the false testimony for criminal prosecution.

    One would think that these revelations would cause a sensation, but the news media, Congress, the White House, and the public were silent.

    All of this bothered me a great deal. The US had invaded two Muslim countries based on unsubstantiated allegations linking the two countries to 9/11, which itself remained uninvestigated. The neoconservatives who staffed the George W. Bush regime were advocating more invasions of more Muslim countries. Paul O’Neill, President Bush’s first Treasury Secretary, stated publicly that the Bush regime was planning to invade Iraq prior to 9/11. O’Neill said that no one at a National Security Council meeting even asked the question, why invade Iraq? “It was all about finding a way to do it.”

    http://articles.cnn.com/2004-01-10/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

    The leaked top secret Downing Street Memo written by the head of British intelligence (MI6) confirms Paul O’Neill’s testimony. The memo, known as the “smoking gun memo” whose authenticity has been confirmed, states that “President George W. Bush wants to remove Saddam Hussein, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” In other words, the US invasion of Iraq was based on nothing but a made up lie.

    As an engineering student I had witnessed a controlled demolition. When films of the collapse of WTC building 7 emerged, it was obvious that building 7 had been brought down by controlled demolition. When physics instructor David Chandler measured the descent of the building and established that it took place at free fall acceleration, the case was closed. Buildings cannot enter free fall unless controlled demolition has removed all resistance to the collapsing floors.



    If airliners brought down two skyscrapers, why was controlled demolition used to bring down a third building?

    I assumed that structural architects, structural engineers, and physicists would blow the whistle on the obviously false story. If I could see that something was amiss, certainly more highly trained people would.

    The first physicist to make an effective and compelling argument was Steven Jones at BYU. Jones said that explosives brought down the twin towers. He made a good case. For his efforts, he was pressured to resign his tenured position. I wondered whether the federal government had threatened BYU’s research grants or whether patriotic trustees and alumni were the driving force behind Jones’ expulsion. Regardless, the message was clear to other university based experts: “Shut up or we’ll get you.”

    Steven Jones was vindicated when chemist Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen In Denmark reported unequivocally that the scientific team in which he participated found nano-thermite in the residue of the twin towers. This sensational finding was not mentioned in the US print and TV media to my knowledge.

    Several years after 9/11 architect Richard Gage formed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, an organization that has grown to include 1,700 experts. The plans of the towers have been studied. They were formidable structures. They were constructed to withstand airliner hits and fires. There is no credible explanation of their failure except intentional demolition.

    I also found disturbing the gullibility of the public, media, and Congress in the unquestioning acceptance of the official stories of the shoe-bomber, shampoo and bottled water bomber, and underwear bomber plots to blow up airliners in transit. These schemes are farcical. How can we believe that al Qaeda, capable of pulling off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history and capable of devising improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that kill and maim US troops and destroy US military vehicles would rely on something that had to be lighted with a match? The shoe and underwear bombers would simply have pushed a button on their cell phones or laptops, and the liquid bomb would not have required extended time in a lavatory to be mixed (all to no effect).

    None of this makes any sense. Moreover, experts disputed many of the government’s claims, which were never backed by anything but the government’s story line. There is no independent evidence that anything was involved other than firecracker powders.

    The case of the underwear bomber is especially difficult to accept. According to witnesses, the underwear bomber was not allowed on the airliner, because he had no passport. So an official appears who walks him onto the airliner bound for Detroit on Christmas day. What kind of official has the authority to override established rules, and what did the official think would happen to the passenger when he presented himself to US Customs without a passport? Any official with the power to override standard operating practices would know that it was pointless to send a passenger to a country where his entry would be rejected.

    The circumstantial evidence is that these were orchestrated events designed to keep fear alive, to create new intrusive powers for a new over-arching federal policy agency, to accustom US citizens to intrusive searches and a police force to conducting them, and to sell expensive porno-scanners and now more advanced devices to the Transportation Safety Administration. Apparently, this expensive collection of high-tech gadgetry is insufficient to protect us from terrorists, and in August 2012 the Department of Homeland Security put in an order for 750 million rounds of ammunition, enough to shoot every person in the US 2.5 times.

    Naive and gullible Americans claim that if some part of the US government had been involved in 9/11, “someone would have talked by now.” A comforting thought, perhaps, but nothing more. Consider, for example, the cover-up by the US government of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed or wounded most of the crew but failed to sink the ship. As the survivors have testified, they were ordered in a threatening way not to speak about the event. It was twelve years later before one of the USS Liberty’s officers, James Ennes, told the story of the attack in his book, Assault on the Liberty. I continue to wonder how the professionals at the National Institute of Standards and Technology feel about being maneuvered by the federal government into the unscientific position NIST took concerning the destruction of the WTC towers.

    What will be the outcome of the doubts about the official story raised by experts? I worry that most Americans are too mentally and emotionally weak to be able to come to grips with the truth. They are far more comfortable with the story that enemies attacked America successfully despite the massive national security state in place. The American public has proved itself to be so cowardly that it willingly, without a peep, sacrificed its civil liberty and the protections of law guaranteed by the Constitution in order to be “safe.”

    Congress is not about to expose itself for having squandered trillions of dollars on pointless wars based on an orchestrated “new Pearl Harbor.” When the neoconservatives said that a “new Pearl Harbor” was a requirement for their wars for American/Israeli hegemony, they set the stage for the 21st century wars that Washington has launched. If Syria falls, there is only Iran, and then Washington stands in direct confrontation with Russia and China.

    Unless Russia and China can be overthrown with “color revolutions,” these two nuclear powers are unlikely to submit to Washington’s hegemony. The world as we know it might be drawing to a close.

    If enough Americans or even other peoples in the world had the intelligence to realize that massive steel structures do not disintegrate into fine dust because a flimsy airliner hits them and limited short-lived fires burn on a few floors, Washington would be faced with the suspicion it deserves.

    If 9/11 was actually the result of the failure of the national security state to deter an attack, the government’s refusal to conduct a real investigation is an even greater failure. It has fallen to concerned and qualified individuals to perform the investigative role abandoned by government. The presentations at the Toronto Hearings, along with the evaluations of the Panel, are now available, as is the documentary film, “Explosive Evidence–Experts Speak Out,” provided by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

    The government’s agents and apologists try to deflect attention from disturbing facts by redefining factual evidence revealed by experts as the product of “a conspiracy culture.” If people despite their brainwashing and lack of scientific education are able to absorb the information made available to them, perhaps both the US Constitution and peace could be restored. Only informed people can restrain Washington and avert the crazed hegemonic US government from destroying the world in war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    And the BCE started both the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex.
    Bullshit. President Truman established the CIG in january 1946. Which was the direct predecessor of the CIA. The CIA was established by the national security act of 1947.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    And the BCE started both the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex.
    Bullshit story #2 The Military Industrial Complex is just a term used by Ike to describe the relationship between the goverment and those who basically produce weapons of war. That relationship has been going on long before there was even a United States of America.

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    This from the sockfucker who claims he never read a book because all books are fiction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan View Post
    This from the sockfucker who claims he never read a book because all books are fiction
    Bullshit story #3. I said books are written by people. One mans fact is another mans fiction. Sometimes a fact is a fact.
    I'm glad you always back up the members of the clique. I really don't want some nutball calling himself satan on my side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Bin Laden himself was CIA for many years. And a family friend of the BCE even before that.

    And that being the case, the ultimate responsibility for the events of 9-11-01 comes back to the BCE, regardless of which story you choose to believe.

    And yes, the "fat Osama" video "found" in November 2001, and the animatronic Osamabot video from Halloween 2004 were complete frauds.

    PNAC got exactly what they wanted....

    "this process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

    ...pretty damn convenient, huh?
    So what do you ultimately believe? I know you posted for years that OBL was dead and after 2001 - 2002 ... you think Obama got him or it's all BS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    So what do you ultimately believe? I know you posted for years that OBL was dead and after 2001 - 2002 ... you think Obama got him or it's all BS?
    I firmly believe it's all crap..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    So what do you ultimately believe? I know you posted for years that OBL was dead and after 2001 - 2002 ... you think Obama got him or it's all BS?
    FORD thinks it's all bullshit when he's in his right mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    So what do you ultimately believe? I know you posted for years that OBL was dead and after 2001 - 2002 ... you think Obama got him or it's all BS?
    Those of us who have been around since the beginning remember the days when FORD believed the WTC Towers were struck by missiles.... later, the story became that they were brought down by controlled demolition, again at the behest of the "BCE"... let's just say it's been an evolving story over the years.
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    Everything FORD suggested was more plausable than the official story where two of the hijacker's passports were found completely intact, when every fucking thing else at ground zero turned to literal dust aside from an engine part or two...

    It's fucking bullshit !!

    I'm convinced it's bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    So what do you ultimately believe? I know you posted for years that OBL was dead and after 2001 - 2002 ... you think Obama got him or it's all BS?
    Here's what I believe....

    1) No confirmed sightings of Osama Bin Laden after the Tora Bora fuckup in December 2001, including no videos or audio recordings that could be confirmed as legitimate.

    2) If you believe that little old man watching pornos on his 13 inch TV was Osama, then you're on crack.

    3) You don't kill the #1 wanted man on the planet and then dump his fucking body in the ocean before you even announce his death. And you don't excuse it as a "traditional Islamic burial" when anybody can spend 5 seconds on Google and find out that it's NOT.


    So what's my ultimate theory about how this adds up?

    I think that Osama died in 2001 or 2002, and that the BCE knew this all along. Obviously if they had admitted this at the time, they never could have sold the BULLSHIT illusion that invading Iraq was "neccessary", and Chimpy had been looking for an excuse to do that since 1999. Not only before the Supreme Court appointed him pResident, but before PNAC's fascist New Perle Harbor manifesto "Rebuilding America's Defenses" was even published.

    This of course left Obama in a tough spot. He wants to end the Iraq clusterfuck, and at least give the impression that he wants out of Afghanistan. But you can't do that with the world believing the Boogieman is still on the loose. If he announces the truth that Osama died years earlier, then all Hell would break loose, both here and abroad, and with good reason. And if Bin Laden died of kidney disease, or anything other than US bullets to the head, then people who demanded blood vengeance for what he allegedly did on 9/11/2001 would feel "cheated".

    Best available option was to create a scenario where he is allegedly "killed in battle".

    Now obviously, some people are going to look at this and accuse me of calling the SEALs liars. Well no, I'm not, because the SEALs didn't actually say anything. Or at least they didn't until this guy published a book recently. And because SEALs do operate in secrecy, how do we even know this guy is one, and if so, was even present at such an operation.

    Do I have any evidence of my theory? Fuck no. But then, there's no evidence that Osama was ever present at that house in Pakistan either. And if, by chance it WAS actually him, then dumping the body was the goddamned stupidest way they could have possibly done it.
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    The conspiracy theory is always more implausible than the official theory.

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    Verily I say unto you all, that NONE of you mortals knoweth the whole truth of what happened on that day.

    But know this - the Son of Bush and his minions hath borne much false witness, and used it as an excuse to murder many.

    He and his followers shall have their reward....in Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan View Post
    The 11th Anniversary of 9/11 ~ Paul Craig Roberts
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    In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy.
    satan, this is possibly the dumbest post in the front line. i'd go on piece by piece in why it's a completely iditoic article, but given how that's been done here by many, many times, i think that would make THIS post the dumbest in the front line. so, instead, i'll simply say, this article doesn't even have a snowball's chance in hell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    The conspiracy theory is always more implausible than the official theory.
    That's either total bullshit or you know absolutely zero about 9/11...

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    What happened happened and the fact that the times posted this as their cover is a slap in the face to those who died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redballjets88 View Post
    What happened happened and the fact that the times posted this as their cover is a slap in the face to those who died.
    And the false story about HOW they died (the rubbish about cave dwellers with box cutters and magical non burning passports) isn't??

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    It doesn't matter bc those people I'm sure have made up their minds. Just like how people say FDR knew of pearl harbor before and many conspiracy theorists believe we could have stopped the holocaust earlier, what good does it do other than create an argument with no answer. How about we focus on the unconstitutionality of things like the TSA and Patriot act and try to clean up the mess. I hate arguments that have no answer. It's argument for arguments sake and it's pointless.

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    Sure we could have stopped the holocaust. If the BCE had not funded Hitler, it wouldn't have happened.

    But you're not going to find any document with FDR's signature on it that calls for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like Pearl Harbor".

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    Yeah we could have gotten to the heart of German defense in 42 before even invading France. Get real

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    ELVIS and FORD would never have agreed this often in the old days.

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    The posting up of this bullshit so late after the game is over, is a last ditch effort to try to harm the Romney campain by proxy, plain and simple and works for the same kind of people who see Old Clittin standing up next to Obama and the, Clittin campain commercials on the TV and they think are voting again for Clittin.

    They revel in the speech making abilities of, Clittin.

    They see Clittin and vote Obama.

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    Fuck off you half brained mutant.

    I've put up with the glorification of Chimpy's mass murder of American citizens as some sort of sacred fucking holiday for 11 years now, and I will not goddamn tolerate it anymore and most certainly not from a goddamned imbecile like yourself whose IQ is smaller than his fucking shoe size.

    We're coming up on the 49th anniversary of the murder of JFK, and for fucks sake, the lies about that crime are still being repeated and tolerated.

    AND THE SAME FUCKING CRIMINALS COMMITTED BOTH CRIMES, YET THEY REMAIN FREE TO DO IT AGAIN. AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN. Because morons like you will believe the shit they tell you. Even when it violates the goddamn laws of physics, like jetfuel melting steel, yet NOT burning paper.

    THE LIES OF 9/11/2001 WILL NOT BE BELIEVED IN 2052 like the lies of 11/22/63 are today. Too much has already been lost in this country because of brainless retards like you, and I will tolerate it no longer.

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    You talk bullshit about how inpossible it is to fly a huge passenger jet with such accuracy thru buildings and the city streets at low levels, and say it had to be a cruise missle that hit the pentagon, but you seem to think these same idiots could fly the same airliners to exactly the correct pre-determined floors of two different buildings in order to cover and explain the destruction of concealed hidden explosives placed by the CIA inside the twin towers at those exact locations.

    You ar Wak dood.

    Paranoid and wak.

    You need help .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Fuck off you half brained mutant.

    I've put up with the glorification of Chimpy's mass murder of American citizens as some sort of sacred fucking holiday for 11 years now, and I will not goddamn tolerate it anymore and most certainly not from a goddamned imbecile like yourself whose IQ is smaller than his fucking shoe size..
    Again with the CIA plot to murder a certain goup of secretarys in a building.... and the secret moon landing hoax is next I am sure.

    Find someone to talk to you are loosing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Fuck off you half brained mutant.
    We're coming up on the 49th anniversary of the murder of JFK, and for fucks sake, the lies about that crime are still being repeated and tolerated.
    You are completely wrong about the assassination of JFK; I know who did it, but it doesn't fit your political agenda and you never listen to others and learn, because of your own political frigidity.
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