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    pRick Perry blames ME for Separation of Church and State!!

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    <p>Texas governor Rick Perry spoke today on a conference call with <a href="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-scarborough-aids-gods-judgment-immoral-act">extremist</a> <a href="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/scarborough-needs-money-stop-sodomites">pastor</a> Rick Scarborough as part of his &ldquo;<a href="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-scarborough-organizing-40-days-prayer-fasting-save-america">40 Days to Save America</a>&rdquo; campaign to motivate and organize Religious Right voters. Perry said that the separation of church and state, which he dismissed as a myth, is being used to drive &ldquo;people of faith from the public arena.&rdquo; Perry said that he believes Satan is using the &ldquo;untruth&rdquo; of the separation of church and state to remove Christians from public life: &ldquo;The idea that we should be sent to the sidelines I would suggest to you is very driven by those who are not truthful, Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there is driven&mdash;is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena.&rdquo;</p>
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    <blockquote> This separation of church and state, which has been driven by the secularists to remove those people of faith from the public arena, there is nothing farther from the truth. When you think about our founding fathers, they created this country, our Constitution, the foundation of America upon Judeo-Christian values, biblical values and this narrative that has been going on, particularly since the &rsquo;60s, that somehow or another there&rsquo;s this steel wall, this iron curtain or whatever you want to call it between the church and people of faith and this separation of church and state is just false on its face. We have a biblical responsibility to be involved in the public arena proclaiming God&rsquo;s truth. You know, are we going to get up and say &lsquo;you are going to vote for X&rsquo;? No, but we&rsquo;re going to talk about Christian values. When you think about the issue of life and protecting life, it&rsquo;s so important that we as Christians put legislation into place, that we elect women that defend life. The idea that we should be sent to the sidelines I would suggest to you is very driven by those who are not truthful, Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there is driven&mdash;is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena. </blockquote>
    <p>Perry said that America is undergoing &ldquo;spiritual warfare&rdquo; and Religious Right activists who &ldquo;truly are Christian warriors, Christian soldiers&rdquo; need to stand up to &ldquo;activist courts&rdquo; and &ldquo;President Obama and his cronies&rdquo; whom he said are making &ldquo;efforts to remove any trace of religion from American life.&rdquo; He called on listeners to use such spiritual warfare against the &ldquo;growing tide of secularism and atheism&rdquo; that &ldquo;preach[es] tolerance and diversity while they engage in oppression and bullying tactics.&rdquo;</p>
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    <blockquote> You think about what has gone here in the last few days around the world and never has there been a time that I think we need more spiritual courage, that we need more moral fiber if you will. The American family is under seize, traditional values are somehow exclusionary, a simple prayer in our public schools is the basis for these secular attacks; you think about this spiritual warfare that&rsquo;s going on and [inaudible] going strong as President Obama and his cronies in Washington continue their efforts to remove any trace of religion from American life. It falls on us, we truly are Christian warriors, Christian soldiers, and for us as Americans to stand our ground and to firmly send a message to Washington that our nation is about more than just some secular laws. Activist courts, we see them chipping away from our values and remove so much that is very special and unique about the United States. I don&rsquo;t want to get too far off course here but when you think about what&rsquo;s going on in the Middle East and the president stood up in Cairo in 09 and either incredible na&iuml;ve or very unschooled in the ways of these radical Islamists, and four American lives were lost in Libya. It is our founding fathers knew and understood the importance of the role of our Creator in public discourse and they didn&rsquo;t shy away from referencing Him, using the values he brought and the message of his son Jesus Christ to build the system that we as a society have e enjoyed for more than 200 years. Securing that system, rebuilding our nation is what these 40 Days to Save America is really all about. It&rsquo;s about saving our nation, it&rsquo;s about preserving the values that make us special, about rejecting the concept that freedom of religion means freedom from religion, about turning away from this growing tide of secularism and atheism, the way they preach tolerance and diversity while they engage in oppression and bullying tactics. </blockquote>




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    = Religion
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    He must have had the aid of some Jesus Dust for that one:

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    The religion you belong to is a church. The religion the other guy belongs to is a cult.
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    It was the founding fathers who separated church and state. You know guys like Thomas Jefferson. They even put it into the US Constitution to make the point stick. The US didn't even officially recognize the vatican until Reagan opened relations.

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    (P)Rick needs to STFU (again)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It was the founding fathers who separated church and state. You know guys like Thomas Jefferson. They even put it into the US Constitution to make the point stick. The US didn't even officially recognize the vatican until Reagan opened relations.
    "separation of church and state" isn't in the constitution. That comes from Jefferson's letters. All the constitution says is that the government can't promote one religion over another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    "separation of church and state" isn't in the constitution.

    But clearly it SHOULD be.

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    The First Amendment says the government shall not make law respecting the establishment of religion. In other words this is to avoid a state theocracy therefore a separation of church and state is inferred. Then it states the government shall allow the public the freedom to practice their choice of religion.

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    um...that is an oversimplification.

    The 1A prohibits the gov from passing or enforcing laws that would help or hurt any particular religion (or all religions).

    However, there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits religious individuals from passing religiously inspired laws in the United States, so long as they don’t infringe on any other religion’s free exercise or establishment.

    Interestingly, prohibiting passage of laws based on religious ideology would almost certainly violate both the free exercise and establishment clauses of the 1A, because it would effectively discriminate against religion.

    In that sense, the separation between church and state is a one way street more than it is a true "separation."


    good thread to read:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...ate_the_225th/

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