Assholes Start Suing People Who Create T-Shirts With Slogan "Born To Rock"

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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21833

    Assholes Start Suing People Who Create T-Shirts With Slogan "Born To Rock"



    Guitar maker sues Web-based t-shirt vendor for shirts reading "born to rock"
    Firm's lawsuit poses a threat to user-designed merch sites like CafePress.
    by Timothy B. Lee - Sept 23 2012, 2:40pm CDT


    A guitar design firm called Born to Rock has won an initial victory over the user-generated T-shirt-printing website CafePress in a legal battle over whether CafePress users will be allowed to use the company's name as part of their T-shirt designs. While the guitar firm initially registered the phrase only for use selling guitars, it has taken the position that any use of the phrase "born to rock" by a CafePress user infringes its trademarks.

    CafePress is a popular website that allows users to create their own graphical designs and have them printed on T-shirts, mugs, and other items. It sells these items on users' behalf and splits the proceeds.

    Born to Rock Design first sent CafePress a cease and desist letter in 2009, asking it to remove all items involving the phrase "born to rock." CafePress resisted the company's demands, arguing that the use of the mark was permitted under trademark law's fair use doctrine. But Born to Rock wasn't satisfied with this response. After filing a new trademark application formally claiming the phrase "Born to Rock" for use in selling T-Shirts in addition to guitars, it sued CafePress for trademark infringement.

    Eric Goldman notes that earlier this month, the court issued a preliminary ruling rejecting CafePress's request to dismiss the lawsuit. CafePress made several arguments, the most important of which was that its users are using the phrase "born to rock" as an ordinary English phrase, not a reference to the guitar manufacturer's products. That, CafePress argued, meant that the use was excused by trademark law's fair use doctrine.

    Looking at a sample of the images at the heart of the dispute gives some plausibility to this argument:



    It seems pretty clear that, for example, a T-shirt with a picture of a rocking chair and the phrase "born to rock" is not a reference to Born to Rock guitars.

    But Judge Colleen McMahon ruled that not all of the images were so clear-cut. Some do involve guitars, and she said it would be up to a jury to decide which images were references to the guitar trademark and which were merely ornamental uses of the phrase.

    As Goldman notes, the ruling puts CafePress in a bit of a bind. It may eventually prevail in court, but not without racking up a lot of legal bills first. And the fact that its liability depends on the details of each design means the company is likely to face more lawsuits like this one—as indeed it has faced at least one such lawsuit in the past. That may force CafePress to become more trigger-happy about removing merchandise in the face of complaints by trademark requests, which could open the door to abusive takedown demands by trademark holders.

    Yet CafePress's user-generated business model and the complexity of trademark law may make it impractical for the company to pre-screen design submissions. And even if it did begin vetting designs before accepting them, that might lead to higher liability down the road, since trademark owners could argue that CafePress bore greater responsibility for designs after having specifically vetting them.

    This kind of catch-22 is why Congress established a "safe harbor" that shields online service providers from liability for copyright-infringing content submitted by users if they respond promptly to takedown notices. But there's no analogous safe harbor available in this kind of trademark case.
    Born to rock is a common phrase. Common phrases cannot be trademarked simply because some asshole motherfuckers want to sue everyone who wants to use the phrase.

    That would be like suing everyone on the Internet for using the word "the".

    Fucking idiots.
    Last edited by Hardrock69; 09-24-2012, 06:29 AM.
  • ZahZoo
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Jan 2004
    • 8961

    #2
    Just a quick web search indicates there's probably 20 or more bands that have released songs titled "Born to Rock"... that on it's own would indicate it's a common phrase with quite a few copyrighted instances that predate any trademark filings of this guitar company.
    "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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    • Hardrock69
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Feb 2005
      • 21833

      #3
      True, but "copyright" and "trademark" are legally not the same thing.

      I think, however, the t-shirt company should file a countersuit and go for it. They have a good chance of winning.

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      • Dan
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jan 2004
        • 12179

        #4
        Put "Get A hairy Dog Up You" On A T-Shirt And I Will Sue Your Ass.
        First Roth Army Kiwi To See Van Halen Live 6/16/2012 Phoenix Arizona.

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        • Angel
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7482

          #5
          Originally posted by Dan
          Put "Get A hairy Dog Up You" On A T-Shirt And I Will Sue Your Ass.
          Fine, I'll get "pants off" instead.
          "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            #6
            If it's a Sammy Hagar T-Shirt it says,"Born to Suck Cock"
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Dan
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jan 2004
              • 12179

              #7
              Originally posted by Angel
              Fine, I'll get "pants off" instead.
              How Dare You.
              First Roth Army Kiwi To See Van Halen Live 6/16/2012 Phoenix Arizona.

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              • jhale667
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 20929

                #8
                Originally posted by Angel
                Fine, I'll get "pants off" instead.
                I already avoided Dan-o's legal team by using the Asgardian variation "Off with thine pants".
                Originally posted by conmee
                If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                That is all.

                Icon.
                Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                Originally posted by Isaac R.
                Then it's really true??:eek:

                The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                Originally posted by eddie78
                I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                • Angel
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7482

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jhale667
                  "Off with thine pants".
                  LMFAO!!! I LOVE it!!!
                  "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                  • PETE'S BROTHER
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 12682

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dan
                    Put "Get A hairy Dog Up You" On A T-Shirt And I Will Sue Your Ass.
                    we already have 200 on order...
                    Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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                    • Dan
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 12179

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PETE'S BROTHER
                      we already have 200 on order...
                      I Know Where You Live.
                      First Roth Army Kiwi To See Van Halen Live 6/16/2012 Phoenix Arizona.

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                      • Angel
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7482

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dan
                        I Know Where You Live.
                        Haha, we're smarter than that. They have my shipping address
                        "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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