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    Romney "rented" Mormon Church's Tax Exemption To Dodge Paying Taxes For 15 Years

    http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt...s-for-15-years

    An earth shattering report finds that Mitt Romney used the Mormon Church as a pawn in a scheme to potentially save millions of dollars in tax payments owed the U.S. government.

    A Freedom of Information Act request yielded some of the most telling information about Mitt Romney's business holdings yet. A report by Bloomberg.com found that Mitt Romney set up a "unitrust" in 1996 which allowed him to defer paying his own taxes for at least 15 years.

    The unitrust was constructed to grant individuals the ability to defer capital gains taxes on any profit they earn from the sale of assets through charitable means. Essentially this allowed an individual to be able to receive yearly cash payments for the profit from their gains, while paying zero in taxes on said profit.

    The report indicates that the fund Romney used as a front formerly contained $750,000 in 2001, but as of 2011 only contains $421,203. As Mitt Romney is worth well over the estimated $250 million, this single trust represents only a fraction of the known financial manipulations that are used in his daily financial affairs.

    When asked for a comment the Romney campaign did not deny the holdings and instead opted to say the trust was "operated in accordance with the law."


    Earth shattering? I don't think so. But this does show Romney will do all he can to avoid paying taxes. And he has the cash to hire attorneys and accountants who are to insure that his financial dealings are just within the law....

    And I saw something vaguely related to this around here somewhere....


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...donations.html

    Romney Avoids Taxes via Loophole Cutting Mormon Donations
    By Jesse Drucker - Oct 28, 2012 11:01 PM CT

    In 1997, Congress cracked down on a popular tax shelter that allowed rich people to take advantage of the exempt status of charities without actually giving away much money.

    Individuals who had already set up these vehicles were allowed to keep them. That included Mitt Romney, then the chief executive officer of Bain Capital, who had just established such an arrangement in June 1996.

    The charitable remainder unitrust, as it is known, is one of several strategies Romney has adopted over his career to reduce his tax bill. While Romney’s tax avoidance is legal and common among high-net-worth individuals, it has become an issue in the campaign. President Barack Obama attacked him in their second debate for paying “lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less.”

    In this instance, Romney used the tax-exempt status of a charity -- the Mormon Church, according to a 2007 filing -- to defer taxes for more than 15 years. At the same time he is benefiting, the trust will probably leave the church with less than what current law requires, according to tax returns obtained by Bloomberg this month through a Freedom of Information Act request.

    In general, charities don’t owe capital gains taxes when they sell assets for a profit. Trusts like Romney’s permit funders to benefit from that tax-free treatment, said Jonathan Blattmachr, a trusts and estates lawyer who set up hundreds of such vehicles in the 1990s.

    Near Zero

    “The main benefit from a charitable remainder trust is the renting from your favorite charity of its exemption from taxation,” Blattmachr said. Despite the name, giving a gift or getting a charitable deduction “is just a throwaway,” he said. “I used to structure them so the value dedicated to charity was as close to zero as possible without being zero.”

    When individuals fund a charitable remainder unitrust, or “CRUT,” they defer capital gains taxes on any profit from the sale of the assets, and receive a small upfront charitable deduction and a stream of yearly cash payments. Like an individual retirement account, the trust allows money to grow tax deferred, while like an annuity it also pays Romney a steady income. After the funder’s death, the trust’s remaining assets go to a designated charity.

    Romney’s CRUT, which is only a small part of the $250 million that Romney’s campaign cites as his net worth, has been paying him 8 percent of its assets each year. As the Romneys have received these payments, the money that will potentially be left for charity has declined from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011.

    Tax Returns

    The Romney campaign declined to answer written questions about the trust.

    “The trust has operated in accordance with the law,” Michele Davis, a campaign spokeswoman, said in an e-mail.

    Paul Comstock, a financial adviser to LDS Philanthropies, an arm of the Mormon Church, said that while he wasn’t familiar with the trust, Romney and his trustee might arrange to compensate the church for the dwindling amount with other gifts.

    “It may be that they’ve made provisions for the charity someplace else that will make up for what this isn’t going to give them,” Comstock said.

    Bloomberg News obtained the trust’s tax returns from 2007 to 2011 from the Internal Revenue Service. Romney hasn’t disclosed the trust’s tax returns and is under no legal obligation to do so. He did make some disclosures about the trust’s investments in Massachusetts filings from 2002 to 2007 and as a presidential candidate in the current campaign.
    After Death

    Funds held by Romney’s trust are scheduled to be distributed after the death of Romney and his wife to “a charitable organization to be designated by Romney,” according to the 2007 filing, disclosing assets he held while governor of Massachusetts. “In the absence of such a designation the funds will go to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”

    Davis declined to comment on whether Romney has designated another charity since then.

    Romney has been an active member of the church, which expects members to donate 10 percent of their income. Over the years, he has donated millions of dollars of stock in Bain-owned companies to the church, securities filings show.

    The church recommends such trusts on its website as one of many options for donors.

    “Probably one of the advantages of a charitable remainder trust is that it helps with capital gains tax,” said Carl McLelland, an attorney in the planned giving office for LDS Philanthropies.
    Capital Gains

    CRUTs were more common in the 1990s when capital gains rates were higher. In 1996, when Romney set up his trust in Massachusetts, the federal rate was 28 percent, compared with 15 percent today. At the time, a Massachusetts state resident who sold shares for a gain of $1 million could have faced a combined state and federal capital gains tax of as much as 40 percent, reducing his take to $600,000.

    By contrast, if he contributed the stock to a CRUT, and it sold the shares, it typically wouldn’t owe any tax since it is a charitable trust. The CRUT could reinvest the $1 million and earn a return on the full amount.

    “The power of this is the tax deferral,” said Jay A. Friedman, a partner at accounting firm Perelson Weiner LLP in New York. “The money is all growing tax free and he only pays tax on what is distributed to him.”

    Concerned that CRUTS weren’t sufficiently philanthropic, Congress mandated in July 1997 that the present value of what was projected to be left for charity must equal at least 10 percent of the initial contribution. Existing CRUTS weren’t affected by the new law.
    Dwindling Principal

    Romney’s trust was projected to leave to charity an amount with a present value of a little less than 8 percent of the initial contribution, according to an analysis by Friedman. Thus, the specifics of Romney’s trust wouldn’t have passed legal muster if it had been set up 13 months later, he said.

    Because the trust’s investments have been earning a return far below its annual payouts to the Romneys, its principal has dwindled rapidly.

    In 2001, five years after it was established, the trust had a value of between $750,000 and $1.25 million. Since then, it has pursued a conservative investment strategy -- regardless of the ups and downs of the stock market -- buying a mix of money- market funds, federally-backed bonds and federal bond funds. Since 2007, it has moved its assets entirely into cash. By 2011, its investments earned a return of $48, down from between $60,001 and $100,000 in 2001. It paid $36,696 to the Romneys in 2011.
    Romneys Favored

    The current investing strategy favors the Romneys over the charity because they get a guaranteed payout, said Michael Arlein, a trusts and estates lawyer at Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP.

    “The Romneys get theirs off the top and the charity gets what’s left,” he said. “So by definition, if it’s not performing as well, the charity gets harmed more.”

    The trustee for Romney’s CRUT is R. Bradford Malt, chairman of the law firm Ropes & Gray LLP, and manager for Romney’s various family trusts as well as his personal attorney. Ropes & Gray has also been for years the main outside counsel for Bain Capital.

    If the CRUT maintains the same investing strategy, assets will continue to shrink, said Jerome M. Hesch, a tax and estate planning attorney at the law firm Carlton Fields. The trustee acted prudently in protecting against losses during a stock market decline, he said.

    Nevertheless, “what’s going to go to charity is probably close to nothing,” Hesch said.

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    Who doesn't try to avoid paying taxes ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Who doesn't try to avoid paying taxes ??
    That's like saying that bank-robbers are venture capitalists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    Romney will do all he can to avoid paying taxes. And ....his financial dealings are just within the law....

    It's come to this? Going after a candidate for following the law?
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    How about we just remove tax exemption from churches, so this is no longer an option for tax dodgers?
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    I agree with that...

    And churches will be able to hold political rallies...

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    They already do. The Mormons pretty much funded the homophobic Prop H8 campaign in California, for example. Which also brings up the subject of out-of state political funds, which I'm also opposed to. The "prophet" in Salt Lake City has no business influencing the laws of another state.

    And of course there's Pat Robertson's "Christian" Coalition, John Hagee's "Jews and Christians United to Give NuttyYahoo a Reach Around" (or whatever he calls it) The American Family (Censorship) Association, etc.

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    I also agree.....who doesn't try to pay less taxes? And if what you do is legal, so what?

    But then, it is a problem that he cannot be seen as a viable candidate.........speculation of his image as "not being acceptable to the average Joe" or whatever because he has hundreds of millions and does what all the other rich folks do with their money......

    But, he is an airheaded asshole with a pile of money. And in this world, that can be dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    I also agree.....who doesn't try to pay less taxes? And if what you do is legal, so what?

    But then, it is a problem that he cannot be seen as a viable candidate.........speculation of his image as "not being acceptable to the average Joe" or whatever because he has hundreds of millions and does what all the other rich folks do with their money......

    But, he is an airheaded asshole with a pile of money. And in this world, that can be dangerous.
    He's far from being an airhead. He might not put on the best Mr. Politician show because in reality, he's a businessman. Also, Romney would have made a lot more money if he stayed with Bain Capital than going to Utah to save the olympic games and then serving as governor.

    The thing is once you become president you control a shit load of money. Burning through at least $1 Trillion a year seems to be the current trend. Who cares how much money the candidate has. When they become president they are in control of trillions of dollars of assets. The power is in the office, not how much money you personally are worth as a candidate.

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    As far as income taxes go, you hire an accountant and pay as little as possible. Any loophole they can find that is legal you hit. I play this game. One game you can play if you are worth a lot is hire one of these accountants that only deals with about ten clients. They defer most your taxes until you die. I know of an accountant in New Jersey that plays this game. It's an old game.

    Frankly I could care less what loopholes in the tax code a person uses. It's the game and the government writes the rules. I'm not a fan of income tax because it gets so ridiculous. We all know if you are politically connected enough, you don't pay any taxes. Timothy Geitner falls into this category.
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    Anyways it's politics. Poly=Many and Tics=Blood Sucking Bugs. Politics is many blood sucking bugs. They have kicked the can down the road for the last 40 years. Took the dollar off the gold standard to go into deficit spending to pay for the Vietnam war and have racked up debt ever since. Now Ben Bernanke is just going to inflate the US Dollar systematically to make the resulting debt disappear. Hey when a dollar is worth zero and that becomes the multiplier guess what, you just erased the debt and broke everyone. Hopefully, in the process you have converted your paper over to real assets and have hijacked the government to have enough guns to defend your position. If the citizens get antsy, start another war.

    If done right in the end, by ruining everything for everyone else, you can gain everything. Got to love bankers. The biggest mistake people make is thinking these scumbags actually care about you or human life in general. They don't. It's all about power. Notice how the politicians build the state of the art bunkers for themselves but leave the general public unprotected. They will be nicely protected if the next war they start goes nuclear
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