From VH News Desk...
http://www.vhnd.com/2012/11/20/david...n-to-his-game/
From VH News Desk...
http://www.vhnd.com/2012/11/20/david...n-to-his-game/
Last edited by Va Beach VH Fan; 11-21-2012 at 08:23 AM. Reason: Replaced text with URL
In the book that came with the KISS Boxed Set, Simmons mentions the fact that Ed and Alex played on the demos for three tracks: "Christine Sixteen", "Love For Sale" and "Tunnel Of Love”, with Frehley basically reproducing VH's guitar work on "Christine." Gene really wanted to include them on the set, but apparently the Van Halen camp refused.
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”― Stephen Hawking
Tell you what.
If it had not been for Dave, VH could have sunk at any number of places.
Not saying he was the sole reason for their business success, but this is just one instance where his instincts were right on the money.
If the Sistaz had been left to their own devices, I don't think we would still have them around....
Originally Posted by Hardrock69
Couldn't agree with you more. And whatever success they had after Dave left was based on old merits.
The heart is on the left. The blood is red.
According to Bill Aucoin, Ted Templeman wanted to get rid of Dave and replace him with Sammy Hagar. It might have been early band loyalty that didn't split Van Halen. Ironically a lack of loyalty and egos is what would split it up later.
http://youtu.be/n-pOx0G5wgg
I think Dave had to prove himself as a showman. His voice has always been his weak spot from a production point of view but wholistically in a live situation that's where Dave ruled and Aucoin was right, you had to see the band on their turf and in their element.
Last edited by Nitro Express; 11-21-2012 at 03:05 AM.
Dave was the band leader and also Dave's dad managed the band and helped them along. Not to mention providing a place to rehearse. No the Roth family were a big factor on getting Van Halen going. Once Dave survived the early weed out process at Warners and proved himself he was on his way. Ironically it was Ted Templeman that sided with Dave after he left Van Halen.
I don't think people realize how important a good manager is. Why Van Hagar worked was they got Sammy's manager Ed Leffler. He knew how to market that band. Look at the disaster it turned into when Ray Daniels came in. If Van Halen didn't get Ed Leffler I think they would have tanked and probably would be begging Dave to come back in.
A jew trying to steal another jew's guitar player. Never loan your dutchman out.I was always very fiercely protective of what we were doing as a group, as a clan, ’cause there’s always going to be pirates, there’s always going to be carpetbaggers, like Simmons. And I would show up with Ed at the studio. Simmons would look at me with horror. Horror. ’Cause I was on to his game way early.
Not sure I understand
I really love you baby, I love what you've got
Let's get together we can, Get hot
Kiss with Eddie would have been the same except with better guitar solos.
In the Simmons 'produced' demos you can hear how he managed to suck the life out of Van Halen and Eddies playing compared to their club performances and replace it with Kiss style pop mediocrity.
Not a Kiss fan Sesh?
It seems to divide people here about 50/50, I'm in the Kiss are over rated money grabbers camp, never was a big fan.
I find as I get older I like them less and it doesn't help that most days I usually have to endure 'Rock and Roll All Nite' and 'I was made for loving you' on the radio.
Insipid crap.
I can understand your view.I was made for loving you and Rock N' Roll all night (Throw Crazy Nights in there too) are played to death.Honestly I could not imagine Ed being a good fit for Kiss.I have not heard too much really early Van Halen but what I have heard his playing is very raw and full of balls.I am not great with the dates but it would be around Love Gun time right?.Ed's playing is a lot more ballsy than Ace's
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Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
Yeah, but if you really sit down and go through their catalog there are some really good songs hidden throughout their albums...It seems to divide people here about 50/50, I'm in the Kiss are over rated money grabbers camp, never was a big fan.
I find as I get older I like them less and it doesn't help that most days I usually have to endure 'Rock and Roll All Nite' and 'I was made for loving you' on the radio.
Insipid crap.
I'm not raking through a shit filled sewer trying to find a hidden lump of adequate.
I think Destroyer was their Women And Children First. A great album with an edgier approach than it's predecessors.
Thank god that never happened. KISS is like rock & roll fast food. If McDonalds started offering a rock band on its value menu, it would play shit like "Lick it Up." Throw that fluff in the trash with your Big Mac wrapper & grease-soaked napkin!
I think this qualifies as more than adequate...I'm not raking through a shit filled sewer trying to find a hidden lump of adequate.
KISS at their finest...
Sorry but that was HORRIBLE!! Guess you have to be a KISS fan to appreciate that...I think this qualifies as more than adequate...
KISS at their finest...
People harp on Daves singing, they sound like crap live hence all the pryo etc to cover it up!!
Yeah it's really not doing it for me.
It's funny because for more than 20 years I've been arguing with people where we can agree about almost every other band apart from Kiss.
I think it's one of those things whereby you had to be there at the time and invest in the whole thing because sitting back listening to the music in retrospect without that they don't seem like much at all.
I never really listened to them until the mid 80s and when I then went back and listened to their older stuff it was already dated to me.
Kiss had been around for 17 years when I was born and I have always dug them
You are not seriously saying Dave is a better singer than Paul are you?.
KISS is timeless. I bought the Destroyer album when I was in grade school. Of course at that age the makeup and the big show was very cool. Years later in 2012 I listened to that album again and I still saw it as fucking brilliant. Paul Stanley was dead on when he said all the flash of KISS would be in vain if the songs weren't good. KISS really did have good interesting songs. Unique songs. I was watching The Voice last night and had to turn it off. Christina Agulera opened the show. She was on a big stage with a lot of flash (KISS invented that) and the dancers. The problem was the song was not unique. It could be any number of female singers. Nothing stood out as being good or unique and that is why it failed. You have to have more than just a big stage, lights, dancers and that. The songs are the foundation and KISS got that.Kiss had been around for 17 years when I was born and I have always dug them
Fuck yeah! Paul is a wittle cwap.
But more importantly Roth is a much better songwriter.
HELL YA!!
Dave had the deep bluesy voice..
Also from the last video you can see clearly where Paul got his flashy style trying to jump around from...
There has been much speculation that Roth is Gay. No such speculation is needed with Paul Stanley.
He is certainly a cock smoker.
Stanley, much like Hagar, has never met a cliche he didn't like.
Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.
Song writer perhaps but a better singer not in a million years.I am not saying Dave has a bad voice,I think he is a very good singer.He just is not a better singer than Paul Stanley
So you think 'Wunnin wi the Devil' would sound good?
And instead of covering Pretty Woman a Paul Stanley led version of Van Halen could have done...
You will have to excuse me I have a cold and a fuzzy head today but I don't get it
If you haven't noticed that Stanley has a problem saying 'r' then that would explain you liking him so much...
Honestly I have never noticed him having trouble saying r's.I have Kiss on now so I will make sure to listen out
Faw gawds sake sesh, weave the paw giw awone!
(It's not just 'r's. he sounds retarded.)
That would be wetawded to you and Sephmeistaw...
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He looks so strange. Kind of deformed. Even his mouth looks strange. Almost as those people who have had cleft lip and then corrected it with surgery. His ears look strange too. Also kind of deformed. He has no neck.If you haven't noticed that Stanley has a problem saying 'r' then that would explain you liking him so much...
They all look strange.
I have never been a Kiss fan. It's really hard to see VH and Kiss mix together.
CVH always had a sort of neurotic aura over the party image. Kiss is more primitive. I like things neurotic and complicated
You anglo-people really have fucked up phonetic. Why don't you just pronounce "R" like we do?
But I am SO bothered when someone lisps. How hard is it, just try harder.
Last edited by envy_me; 11-22-2012 at 02:00 PM.
Who would have guessed that Ace and Peter would end up looking the most normal for men their age?
My karma just ran over your dogma.
Gene is the worst offender.Pretty much all his songs about sex with barely legal girls or how powerful a man he is.
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