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    Predator Drone "Kill List Rule Book" On The Way

    ‘Kill List’ rule book may be coming soon to the White House Situation Room
    By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News

    "Hi ho the witch is dead, the witch is dead!..."

    The White House "kill list"--a regularly updated chart showing the world's most wanted terrorists used by President Barack Obama during kill or capture debates--may soon be getting a rule book to go with it.

    According to the New York Times, the administration--faced with the possibility that President Obama might lose the 2012 election to Mitt Romney--"accelerated work in the weeks before the election to develop explicit rules for the targeted killing of terrorists by unmanned drones, so that a new president would inherit clear standards and procedures."

    Until now, President Obama has had the "final moral calculation" overseeing the "kill list," the existence of which was first revealed in May in the wake of a drone strike that killed an al-Qaida leader.

    But according to the paper, administration officials are looking to curb the power of the commander in chief with the rule book:

    "There was concern that the levers might no longer be in our hands," said one official, speaking on condition of anonymity. With a continuing debate about the proper limits of drone strikes, Mr. Obama did not want to leave an "amorphous" program to his successor, the official said. The effort, which would have been rushed to completion by January had Mr. Romney won, will now be finished at a more leisurely pace, the official said.

    President Obama has voiced his support for such rules.

    "Creating a legal structure, processes, with oversight checks on how we use unmanned weapons is going to be a challenge for me and my successors for some time to come," President Obama said in an interview with author Mark Bowden for "The Finish," a book on the killing of Osama bin Laden. "There's a remoteness to it that makes it tempting to think that somehow we can, without any mess on our hands, solve vexing security problems."

    [Also read: 'Secret kill list' shows president is final word on terrorist killing missions]

    The U.S. drone program, which was launched by President George W. Bush, has been expanded under the current administration. Since Obama took office in 2009, there have been more 300 drone strikes carried out by the U.S. military, according to the Times.

    Earlier this year, critics of the "kill list" launched a petition on the White House website to create a "Do Not Kill" list to protect U.S. citizens from drone strikes by their own government. The petition, though, failed to meet the 25,000-signature threshold required to get an official response from the White House.

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    Link to extensive NY Times article here.

    We need a codified set of rules and much more importantly, we need to discern between the murky world of law enforcement and counterinsurgency - and move back from counterinsurgency more towards law enforcement. I suspect these rules will not be enough sadly, but they are a start in the right direction...
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    Related: Killer robots in the sky...

    The Case Against Robots With License to Kill

    Battlefield drones and robots capable of choosing their targets and firing without any human oversight won't arrive for a few decades, experts say. But a new Human Rights Watch report calls for an international ban on fully autonomous "killer robots" before they ever become a part of military arsenals around the world.

    The thousands of drones and robots that the U.S. military already has deployed alongside troops are all controlled remotely by human operators, who can take responsibility if the machines accidentally injure or kill civilians. Fully autonomous robots capable of choosing targets and firing weapons on their own may come online within the next 20 or 30 years, if not sooner.

    "Giving machines the power to decide who lives and dies on the battlefield would take technology too far,” said Steve Goose, the Arms Division director at Human Rights Watch. “Human control of robotic warfare is essential to minimizing civilian deaths and injuries."

    "Fully autonomous weapons" operating without oversight won't have the artificial intelligence, human judgment or empathy necessary to distinguish between armed soldiers and cowering civilians in murky battlefield conditions, Human Rights Watch says. Its joint report with Harvard Law School's International Human Rights Clinic argues robots could never follow rules of international humanitarian law. [5 Reasons to Fear Robots]

    The report released on Nov. 19 suggests the following to stop the "killer robots" future:

    Ban development, production and use of fully autonomous weapons through an international agreement.
    Adopt national laws to ban the creation and use of fully autonomous weapons.
    Keep watch on technologies and components that could lead to fully autonomous weapons.
    Make a professional code of conduct to oversee research and development of autonomous robotic weapons.

    The report also highlights concerns about the possible use of fully autonomous robots by dictators to brutally suppress their civilian populations, and about the easier decision to go to war when leaders aren't worried about troop casualties.

    Robots may lack human empathy, but history already has shown that human soldiers are capable of committing the world's worst atrocities despite their supposed humanity. Ronald Arkin, a robotics researcher at Georgia Tech, even has argued that fully autonomous robots could make the battlefield safer: They wouldn't fall prey to the fatigue that can result in misidentifying targets, or to the anger that could lead to sadistic abuse of prisoners and civilians.

    The U.S. military spends about $6 billion each year on developing and deploying thousands of drones and robots. Its huge arsenal includes ground robots rolling or walking along under direct human control, Reaper drones that can fly parts of their mission without human control, and robot boats capable of firing missiles.

    Automatic defense weapons such as the U.S. Navy's Phalanx turret can fire thousands of rounds at incoming missiles without a human order and with only the barest human supervision. Israel's "Iron Dome" defense detects incoming threats and asks human operators to make a split-second decision on whether to give the command to fire missiles that can intercept enemy rockets and artillery shells.

    Both Israel and South Korea also have deployed robot sentry turrets that could, in theory, operate on automatic mode.

    This story was provided by TechNewsDaily, a sister site to LiveScience.
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    We need to rise up against the use of drones !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    We need to rise up against the use of drones !!
    ....or at least program them to hit more worthy targets....
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    The current administration was scared shitless that a new administration would shred the Constitution, meanwhile they have been shredding it with the same gleeful abandon as the prior administration. Oh, the fucking irony.
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    Why the CIA might have to dish more details on drone strikes
    By Jon Terbush | The Week – Fri, Mar 15, 2013

    An appeals court ruling says the agency can no longer keep quiet about the controversial program

    A federal appeals court on Friday struck a blow to the government's secrecy surrounding its controversial drone program, reversing a lower court ruling that allowed the CIA to remain silent on whether it had any records related to surreptitious drone attacks.

    The three-judge panel unanimously ruled that it was neither "logical nor plausible" for the CIA to refuse to confirm or deny whether it kept records on drone strikes. Top security officials, including former CIA chief Leon Panetta, new CIA director John Brennan and even President Obama himself, have all acknowledged the program's existence, rendering the CIA's defense moot, the court said.

    The lower court had dismissed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union that sought the spy agency's drone records. But the CIA, saying that compliance with that FOIA request would endanger national security, convinced the court it should not be forced to reveal if those documents even existed in the first place.

    The appeals court shot that argument down.

    "Although these statements do not acknowledge that the CIA itself operates drones, they leave no doubt that some U.S. agency does," Judge Merrick Garland wrote in the court's opinion.

    For now, the CIA doesn't have to disclose any new details about the drone program. The appeals court sent the case back down for reconsideration, where the agency can mount a different defense. But the new hearing could force the CIA to reveal the existence of those long-sought drone records, which in itself would be a victory for the ACLU. The CIA would then also need to provide an explanation for why the content of those records should remain under wraps.

    "This is an important victory," ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer said. "It requires the government to retire the absurd claim that the CIA's interest in the targeted killing program is a secret, and it will make it more difficult for the government to deflect questions about the program's scope and legal basis."

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