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    Now THIS is rich!

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpa...protest-plans/

    Anonymous' Hackers Target Westboro Baptist Church After Protest Plans




    In a showdown that rivals Predator vs. Alien, the hacker group Anonymous has set its sights on bringing down the hate group Westboro Baptist Church.

    Westboro, whose members are more at home conducting despicable protests at the funeral processions of U.S. military servicemen, announced that they were going to have similar protests at the funerals of the victims of Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. In a strike to wound Westboro, the activist group Anonymous hacked the names, phone numbers, and social security numbers of numerous people it said are members of Westboro Baptist Church, which is based in Topeka, Kansas. The data dump also included the names of multiple members’ children and grandchildren. According to Information Week, the Anonymous attack was documented in a YouTube video (available here), which informed Westboro of the hit coming its way. “Your downfall is underway. Since your one-dimensional thought protocol will conform not to any modern logic, we will not debate, argue, or attempt to reason with you.” Instead, Anonymous promised to wage a sustained assault that would “progressively dismantle your institution.”

    Anonymous also claimed to have changed Westboro spokeswoman Shirley Phelps-Roper’s PC desktop wallpaper to gay porn, and filed a death certificate in her name, which would prevent her from using her social security number. Anonymous don’t play!

    Meanwhile, on Monday Phelps-Roper’s Twitter account was taken over by someone who claimed to be the hacker Cosmo The God, and who posted several tweets to the account about the takeover. Wired reported that Cosmo is a 15-year-old hacker who was arrested in June by the FBI, and who remains on probation until his 21st birthday, before which time he’s not supposed to use a computer without supervision. If it is THE COSMO, I’m saying we cut the kid a break.

    I know that the FBI has had its problems with Anonymous but our country has struggled to find ways to curb the Freedom of Speech that Westboro has, in my opinion, abused. It looks to me like Anonymous has found a way to stay off the FBI’s watch list and at the same time harass a group that deserves a bit of harassment. My hope is that the FBI looks the other way on this one.

    In other news, the KKK has announced that it will counter the protests of Westboro at military funerals at Arlington National Cemetery.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/12/18...rial-ceremony/

    I’m thinking Predator vs. Alien writers will never run out of material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeeNatra View Post
    it's not YOU asking that question in THAT thread, is it?
    Oh the irony of it all!

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    WBC claimed they were coming here to protest at the school shooting victim's funerals but they never showed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    WBC claimed they were coming here to protest at the school shooting victim's funerals but they never showed.
    Pussies.
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    It's not so much that, but they get the reaction they crave without having to travel. Like the old saying goes, "Say or print whatever you want about me, just make sure you spell my name right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    ... was deliberately trying to bring on an economic collapse so the one world communist government could be created.
    She may not be wrong with the way Obama is negotiating the fiscal cliff crap: raising taxes on the "rich" won't even take care of 8% of the annual deficit we rack up let alone cut into the $16 Trillion amassed so far. He said he wants a balanced approach yet doesn't want to cut spending...or delay spending cuts until "later." Yeah, right. We take in $5 Billion a day in revenue and spend $11 Billion. If that's not trying to deliberately crash the economy, I don't know what is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    Oh the irony of it all!
    It's ironing...

    Your mom said go finish the ironing before you get back on the computer...


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    So, the shooter was on an atypical antipsychotic called Fanapt...


    Atypical antipsychotics are better than the average gold mine - these drugs are gold mines with pearl-encrusted walls and champagne springs in which to bathe your feet. If you don’t happen to be a drug company executive, however, the mine is less comfortable and far more expensive. Branded (non-generic) versions of atypical antipsychotics can cost over $1,000 per month, according to Consumer Reports. And they’re not just for schizophrenia any more; other conditions, from depression to stuttering, now account for 40% of antipsychotic sales.


    With billions at stake for Big Pharma, it’s important to be aware that you are the focus of a marketing push. Make it your business to learn all you can. If you’re depressed, for instance, and considering Abilify, read this first. Before you ask your doctor for Seroquel for bipolar depression, read this. And whether or not you decide to take an atypical antipsychotic, don’t let your reading end there.


    But this is not a story about drug side effects or risks to consumers. To help celebrate National Drug Facts Week (Nov. 8-14), this is a story is about Pharma, and the unlikely rags-to-riches-to-rags tale of the seventh atypical antipsychotic in the U.S., a drug called Fanapt (generic name iloperidone).

    Fanapt is born


    Cooked up in the labs of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Fanapt was intended as a replacement for Clozaril, a true blockbuster with, unfortunately, an expired patent. That meant Clozaril could be sold cheaply, generically, and Novartis could no longer command the high prices they had come to count on. Enter Fanapt.

    Fanapt is dumped


    During the development process, Novartis ran into problems. Whatever they found, it wasn’t good, because they basically tossed Fanapt into the garbage.


    But another pharmaceutical company, Vanda, snatched it up and ran with it - all the way to the FDA.


    Vanda goes to the FDA - and loses


    In July 2008, the FDA issued a “not approvable” letter on the new drug. (In other words: no dice, Vanda.)


    Fanapt had performed better than placebo, but not as well as drugs already on the market, such as Risperdal and Geodon. And Fanapt was never compared to leading antipsychotic drugs like Seroquel. In addition, there were problems with irregular heart rhythms, low blood pressure and weight gain. And, as with Clozaril, patients were required to start at a small dose and gradually build up to a higher dose.


    The FDA told Vanda to run more trials and gather more safety data.

    Vanda ignores the FDA - and wins


    Vanda did none of those things. Instead, in November, they simply resubmitted the drug to the FDA, using leftover data from the original clinical trials.


    It was such a jaw-dropping long shot that Vanda’s investors couldn’t get rid of stock fast enough. Stock prices fell below $1, and the company’s worth plummeted to less than cash on hand. At Vanda, there were layoffs and cutbacks, followed by a proxy fight trying to force Vanda to shut down, sell off its assets, and give any remaining money back to the shareholders.


    Then, on May 6, 2009, stock analyst Adam Feuerstein observed something strange: “Hell froze over Wednesday night, right before a squadron of flying pigs took to the sky.”

    For reasons only clear to the FDA, the new schizophrenia drug had been approved.

    Fanapt flies high


    That evening, Vanda shares shot up 800%. And the next day, stock rose 625.9%.


    Novartis realized it might have thrown away something that, on second thought, looked mighty good. So they went to Vanda and asked if they could work something out. Vanda agreed, but there was a condition. If Novartis paid them $200 million up front, plus royalty and “milestone” payments up to $265 million, then Vanda would let them do the marketing for Fanapt.


    If it seems strange that Novartis would pay to do the marketing for a drug it had discarded, Novartis CEO Joe Jiminez tried to explain: “We have to look very hard before we give up on a compound.”


    But the partnership seemed to be working. Fanapt sales for the first quarter of 2010 came to $21 million. Not bad - except that it’s a $14-20 billion dollar market. Still, analysts called it “a solid start.”


    Fanapt falls flat


    It didn’t last long. Just three months later, Vanda reported second quarter sales of only $0.7 million. And stock that had traded for $12-15 was going for under $7.


    The fairy tale was over. On October 18, Fanapt made the list of “Pharma’s Biggest Flops,” coming in at #4. The dubious honor was bestowed by FiercePharma, an industry site.

    "Pick up some Vanda shares"

    Vanda isn't giving up, however. For one thing, they are working on an injectable form of the drug. While the patent on oral Fanapt will run out in 2016, the patent on the injectable wouldn’t expire until 2023. Moreover, Vanda has full rights for distribution overseas.

    And some investors are optimistic. One of them is Joseph Krueger, who wrote: “Right now, I feel it is a good time to pick up some Vanda shares.”


    The folks at FiercePharma probably won’t be in line for those stocks. “When it comes down to it,” they wrote, “there is too much competition in the antipsychotic industry, between highly regarded brand names and lower-priced generics.


    “Fanapt never had a chance in the market.”




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    The ONLY reason to put someone on a garbage drug like that is to try to make money...

    Who is this crazy doctor ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    So, the shooter was on an atypical antipsychotic called Fanapt...
    Link? Where did you read that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    She may not be wrong with the way Obama is negotiating the fiscal cliff crap: raising taxes on the "rich" won't even take care of 8% of the annual deficit we rack up let alone cut into the $16 Trillion amassed so far. He said he wants a balanced approach yet doesn't want to cut spending...or delay spending cuts until "later." Yeah, right. We take in $5 Billion a day in revenue and spend $11 Billion. If that's not trying to deliberately crash the economy, I don't know what is.
    This from the guy that thinks everyone should have to pay fed income taxes even if they're retirees or make less than $20K a year, something that would bring far less into Fed coffers and take even more spending out of the economy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    She may not be wrong with the way Obama is negotiating the fiscal cliff crap: raising taxes on the "rich" won't even take care of 8% of the annual deficit we rack up let alone cut into the $16 Trillion amassed so far. He said he wants a balanced approach yet doesn't want to cut spending...or delay spending cuts until "later." Yeah, right. We take in $5 Billion a day in revenue and spend $11 Billion. If that's not trying to deliberately crash the economy, I don't know what is.
    So you're still blaming Obama for 32 years of BCE "two Santa Claus" reverse Robin Hood Randtard economic policies??

    Here's the simple answer. Fuck the fiscal mole hill, simply roll the tax rates AND the "defense" spending back to where they were in 1980.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    This from the guy that thinks everyone should have to pay fed income taxes even if they're retirees or make less than $20K a year, something that would bring far less into Fed coffers and take even more spending out of the economy...
    First off, retirees already pay taxes. And no, I've said repeatedly that there should be a cut-off for taxes. $20,000 Was just one figure I threw around for debate. The fact that half of all US workers don't pay income tax (I'm not talking payroll taxes now. They are completely different.) is insane.

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    You're deranged! The Romney 46% includes retirees. Here's a pie chart to help you with your dunceness:

    Breakdown3-06-17-11.gif

    A little over one-third of workers don't pay income taxes, and most of those pay payroll taxes anyways. You're idiotic tax beliefs are what would cause real problems with the economy...

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    It's amazing how the "Bush Tax Cuts" were evil to liberals when they first came out, yet now that is what the Democratic Party, along with Republicans, is pushing for...minus cuts for those that provide jobs.

    Why is maintaining the tax cuts for every tax bracket except the top one now so important when it wasn't back then? Democrats whined when taxes were cut for the middle class back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    The ONLY reason to put someone on a garbage drug like that is to try to make money...

    Who is this crazy doctor ??
    You want to talk about crazy doctors? check this shit out....

    Dude just called into Ed Schultz's radio show. Claimed to be a psychiatrist. He seems to think that this murderer could have had Lyme Disease induced rage.

    Now there's a theory......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    Link? Where did you read that?
    Somewhere last night, but now it seems that it's not true...

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    This is interesting...





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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Somewhere last night, but now it seems that it's not true...
    Does this happen frequently..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    You want to talk about crazy doctors? check this shit out....

    Dude just called into Ed Schultz's radio show. Claimed to be a psychiatrist. He seems to think that this murderer could have had Lyme Disease induced rage.

    Now there's a theory......
    Coming from a self-professed psychiatrist this doesn't surprise me in the least.
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    On top of being ineffective, psychiatric medicine for the treatment of depression is extremely dangerous...

    The science is junk and the goal is profit...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    On top of being ineffective, psychiatric medicine for the treatment of depression is extremely dangerous...

    The science is junk and the goal is profit...


    Nutrition, exercise, and talk therapy is what's needed for depression.
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    And sunlight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    And sunlight...
    Or a sufficient substitute for those of us who live in shitty climates where it rains 10 months out of the year.

    Light boxes, Vitamin D supplements, etc.

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    I can be near death but if some girl flashes her tits it amazingly revives me and changes my attitude. Some people take Vitamin D3 but all I need is some tits every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I can be near death but if some girl flashes her tits it amazingly revives me and changes my attitude. Some people take Vitamin D3 but all I need is some tits every now and then.
    I think this thread may have served its purpose and probably should be put to rest....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoungeMachine View Post
    I think this thread may have served its purpose and probably should be put to rest....
    That's stupid. Something else will just come up with this tragedy and then someone like me will just start another thread.

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    If, "God" forbid, we can keep a thread on topic in this joint we should be fine....

    Silly me....
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    Just because a thread veers off topic doesn't mean there's no hope, or that we're not on top of it...

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    Through a child's eyes



    This small town's Christmas is forever changed.
    After this Christmas of burials,
    next Christmas will be the first Christmas with nothing to do but reflect.
    There will be many homes that will still wrap a gift that will not be opened.
    This year,
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    there are gifts wrapped that were intended to be opened,
    but never will be.
    With a mother wondering what to do with the wrapped box in the top of the closet.
    She might take years to move it.
    This town is forever changed.

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    but for a small town in the northeast
    the Christmas lights will have a tinge of mourning.
    And a sad play on words will taint the delight of children's clambering feet
    of the children left behind
    for they have learned the word mourning
    before they learned of Santa.
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    Well then, now I feel better....

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    Twin sister of girl slain in shooting writes a letter to the President:

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    I think it's rather amusing that the types that go psychotic aren't the typical gun nuts you'd think. The stars and bar types, with pickup trucks, etc.

    Granted, the "Turner Diary" reading morons of the 90's were a thing, but again, the type of guy who's drinking a beer at the end of the bar who put a nickel in for a Toby Keith song isn't that type of guy generally.

    It's always some weird looking kid with devil eyes now. Some kid who has issues with his parents, and said parents are generally don't even take time to talk to him and see what's up.

    And agreed, the mother of the victim is just as much to blame here. Why would you buy a gun for a kid who is mentally ill? It's kind of like putting matches next to a vat of gasoline, it can really only end badly.

    Bottom line, I don't want to punish someone who is responsible with their guns. That's clearly what needs to be addressed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    I think it's rather amusing that the types that go psychotic aren't the typical gun nuts you'd think.
    Exactly. But when a tragedy like this occurs all gun owners get lumped in with the militia-prepper-nuts.
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    If everyone who owned a gun bought it from a legally licensed dealer and passed a background check, then how would that be a negative impact on anyone who is legally qualified to own a gun?

    If you can't wait for the background check, then maybe you need to look at the reasons why you need a gun so damn badly, because odds are you were probably going to do something dumb with it, and those few days to cool off might actually save your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    If everyone who owned a gun bought it from a legally licensed dealer and passed a background check, then how would that be a negative impact on anyone who is legally qualified to own a gun?
    It doesn't. I had to obtain a permit for the handguns I've bought. And I don't think it would be too much of a burden to require first time purchasers to complete some sort of basic gun safety/handling course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    If everyone who owned a gun bought it from a legally licensed dealer and passed a background check, then how would that be a negative impact on anyone who is legally qualified to own a gun?

    If you can't wait for the background check, then maybe you need to look at the reasons why you need a gun so damn badly, because odds are you were probably going to do something dumb with it, and those few days to cool off might actually save your life.
    I don't see a problem with this.

    My problem is punishing the people who went and did things the right way, but could possibly be punished by owning a gun. All because some dipshits with mental problems made them seem irresponsible.

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    I don't think anybody wants to take any guns away from sane law abiding adults. I know I damn well don't.

    I do agree with the permit/license and training thing though. If it's required to drive a car - which isn't designed to kill somebody - then it certainly should be for a gun, which is.

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