The Gun Control Thread

[DONNIEP]

Have a seven day waiting period and in those seven days you get a class on gun safety and how to properly use the thing. Failure to complete the class means you don't get your gun.

That's what I'm saying! But neither side will even consider it!!

[Nitro Express]

That's what I'm saying! But neither side will even consider it!!

The problem is distrust. Neither side trusts the other and you can't make deals or negotiate anything in that kind of situation. Why even have a government if it's this useless?

My senior year in high school I had to do a big report on gun control. That was in 1984. I just stayed middle of the road and reported on the pros and cons. Nothing has changed. The other big topics were abortion and nuclear power. Nothing changes. We just have iphones now.

[Nitro Express]

Only the police and the military should have guns. Period, end of story. And then see what happens.

That's Mexico. They have a higher gun fatality rate than we do. Of course our government is supplying the bad guys with guns. The thing is those drug cartels have so much money they will get the guns somewhere. If not from us from the Russians or the Chinese.

[Nitro Express]

He said Bilbray is concerned because the China Ocean Shipping Co.,
(COSCO) which was granted the naval station lease, is not only linked
closely to the Chinese government, but one of its ships was used last
year to smuggle 2,000 AK-47s into San Francisco.

For years the Chinese have been smuggling full automatic weapons and ammunition into the US. If people really knew what was really out there in this country they would freak. They worry about what the licensed gun shops are selling. I will tell you the number of guns in this country is far larger than what people think. The question is why are these weapons coming in and who is going to use them?

[Nitro Express]

I still think the best policy with guns in the home is to lock them up and not even let the kids know you have them. Treat them like porn.

[DONNIEP]

I want to know where I can go to legally buy a "machine gun" without a class 2 license.

[Nitro Express]

You mean a class 3 license. Heres the scoop on the legal ones.

http://www.westernfirearms.com

Class III Weapon Sales

Western Firearms Company (WFC) is a Texas-based Class 3 business located just north of the Dallas/Fort Worth airport. Not only have we been dealing in machine guns for 24 years, but our association with the weapons business in general stretches back to 1971. As specialists in Class 3 weapons and military weapons of all types, WFC boasts one of the largest inventories of collector-grade arms in the state of Texas.

In 1986, the United States government banned the future importation and domestic manufacture of machine guns for civilian consumption, and the already limited inventory of Class 3 weapons has since diminished substantially. At a rate now more accelerated than ever, these weapons are ending up in the hands of collectors who have no intention of ever selling them. The effect is twofold: Class 3 arms are growing increasingly scarce, and their prices are rising accordingly. Further Federal bans in 1989 and 1994 relating to semiautomatic clones of military weapons have spurred similar trends in that arena as well. Thus, the price of a quality, collector-grade Class 3 or semiautomatic weapon has spiraled beyond the comprehension of the average buyer.

We have found, though, that high-end collectors' appetites for the best are rarely fulfilled, and it is to them that we cater. These people are often first-time owners whose efforts to find and acquire a particular arm of choice have been frustrated by their inability to locate that weapon or by a lack of information on what is involved in a legally- conducted Class 3 transfer. The images that you are viewing on the Web pages are photographs of the actual weapons, not representative examples. These will include right, left and detailed views in most cases. If you see something that interests you, please call us. WFC excels at finding whatever we do not already have, and we can make it yours "right and proper".

Be prepared to faint when you see the prices.

Model: AK47 (Type 56) Chi-Com
Cash Price: $48,995.00
50/50 Payments: $49,995.00
Status: In Stock

[Nitro Express]

If you want full automatic arms with no license I suggest you get ahold of Eric Holder at the US Justice Department. He seems to have no problem giving them to just about anybody drug cartels included.

[DONNIEP]

No, you can buy a fully automatic weapon with a class 2 license as well.

[LoungeMachine]

No, you can buy a fully automatic weapon with a class 2 license as well.

Well good then.....



I was so afraid of that kenyan taking away all of our rights.....

[DONNIEP]

No, you can buy a fully automatic weapon with a class 2 license as well.

Nope - I was mixing Class 3 with Class 2. Nitro was right.

[Nitro Express]

No, you can buy a fully automatic weapon with a class 2 license as well.

I don't follow the licensing laws anymore but it used to be you could convert a semi-auto to full-auto with a class 2 license but your ability to transfer ownership of the gun was limited. You also had to license it with the ATF. I believe on guns like the AR-15 they have made this more difficult due to changing parts like the bolt carrier and maybe the upper receiver. On an AK it's just the trigger group that is different but even if you have a hole drilled for the auto sear the ATF will consider it a machine gun and you are in trouble.

They have gotten very strict. You pretty much want to leave things factory original unless you know the law or you can get in trouble even for drilling a hole.

My dad made a .22 caliber machine gun when he was a kid. The sheriff took it away from him. Today they would throw you in Gitmo or something.

[DONNIEP]

Nitro was right - I was wrong. But fully automatic weapons are readily available. To criminals. They are extremely hard to legally purchase and supremely expensive.

[Nitro Express]

Nitro was right - I was wrong. But fully automatic weapons are readily available. To criminals. They are extremely hard to legally purchase and supremely expensive.

Pretty much. The Utah Fish and Game put up a fake deer to catch poachers. People were shooting at the deer from their cars on the road. They nailed more than one person firing full auto. Apparently some of the guns were illegally modified or were contraband probably smuggled in from Mexico. They used to smuggle drugs into our local airport and they busted a load of full auto Vietnam era M-16's. Where you have drugs you also have guns. There is a whole underground economy going on that's huge that most people don't see.

[Nitro Express]

That's what I'm getting at. My neighbor - perfect example. Last year he bought a decent AR, dropped about a grand on it. Basic model. He was all excited to show it to me so I says "how's it shoot?" To this day he's never shot it and I guarantee you he doesn't know the first thing about it. I'd be surprised if he could actually charge the weapon. And at the very least that's an accidental discharge waiting to happen.

I never got the AR thing. I used to work on them. You pick them up they rattle and they basically are cheap guns. They should be $300-400 for a basic one. I can remember when Colt made them and people would spend crazy money way back then. We would just shake our heads. You could buy this wedge thing that camed the upper and lower receiver together so they wouldn't rattle. One that came in was really loosy goosey. Then you had that cast aluminum receiver that could crack or the hole would stretch.

I never liked that gun.

The problem with semi-autos is unfamiliar people take the magazine out thinking it's unloaded and there is one in the pipe still. Some guns like the Browning High Power have a magazine safety that as soon as the magazine is out the trigger mechanism locks and won't fire. It avoids accidental shootings. John Browning himself came up with that. The only thing is it does add drag to the trigger pull. Some people want to take it out but I have found if you just put some CLP on it and break it in it smooths up pretty good. That CLP is amazing stuff. You can smooth up a trigger pull by using it without having to stone any of the contact surfaces.