The Gun Control Thread

[Nickdfresh]

AMENDMENT II to the US Constitution

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

So basically only National Guardsmen should have weapons?

[Nickdfresh]

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Stewart Rhodes,
Founder of Oath Keepers

Stewart Rhodes should go fuck a duck and his premise is so infantile and idiotic....

[Nickdfresh]

More guns = more gun violence.

Or at least a much higher body count...

[Nickdfresh]

Man with knife injures 22 kids at school in China
1:35a.m. EST December 15, 2012
USA Today

Security guards are across China after a spate of school attacks in recent years
Min Yingjun, 36, attacked the students, according to police
An elderly woman and 22 children were injured by knife

BEIJING (AP) — A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in police custody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then students, before being subdued by security guards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted, although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.

A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured.

Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give his name.

It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally 6-11 years old.

A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's website confirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the attacks.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.

Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system's ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.

[ELVIS]

Ban Chinese knives !!

[envy_me]

Ban Chinese knives !!

22 injured to 26 killed... What would happend if he had a gun?

[ELVIS]

People would be shot...

[Fairwrning]

Hey peeps..Hug your kids and watch some football with em today if ya can..take a day off from this shit

[envy_me]

People would be shot...

...and shooting them would lead them not to be injured, but....? Come on, you can say it.

[ELVIS]

I'm not concerned with what happens in communist China...

[BigBadBrian]

So basically only National Guardsmen should have weapons?

I see two subjects and two verbs in separate phrases in the 2nd Amendment. In your statement above, you only account for one of each.

[DONNIEP]

I honestly don't see why every school doesn't have an armed cop on staff. My daughter's middle school does and so does our high school. And I live in a little town out in the country and even we can afford it. The dude is there every day, in uniform and armed with a pistol and a taser and he's got his shotgun in his patrol car. Same at the high school.

[sadaist]

I honestly don't see why every school doesn't have an armed cop on staff.

Can you believe we are in times where you actually just said that? How fucked up is that?

I think an armed guard might be much. but what about training & carry/conceal permits for principals? Like 2 jobs in one. I don't know. I don't want principals carrying guns nor do I want armed guards at our schools. But it is all of our duties to protect children.

[envy_me]

Here, only police officers are allowed to carry a gun, not guards.

What if the armed school guard loses it one day?

[DONNIEP]

Here, only police officers are allowed to carry a gun, not guards.

What if the armed school guard loses it one day?

What if the sky falls tomorrow?

[Nickdfresh]

People would be shot...

And not breathing anymore...

[Nickdfresh]

Here, only police officers are allowed to carry a gun, not guards.

What if the armed school guard loses it one day?

Many schools here have armed guards. Didn't Columbine have armed guards?

[envy_me]

Many schools here have armed guards. Didn't Columbine have armed guards?

But, how come we don't need any armed guards? How did it get to that? :-(

[Nickdfresh]

But, how come we don't need any armed guards? How did it get to that? :-(

I don't know. But actually a lot of schools have police stationed in them I should have said...

[Nitro Express]

Our high school and middle school has a city police officer right in the school and they have their own office so they are there full time. The grade schools don't.

[Nitro Express]

In Israel the teachers are armed. The thing is everyone has to do a mandatory two years in the Israel Defense Forces so they are trained with weapons. Then you go in the reserve for I believe two years. When I was there they issued the reservists an Uzi sub machine gun and you had to take that with you everywhere and if you lost it and had to be reissued another one, it was another mandatory two years in the military. People hung onto them.

Everyone carried chamber empty including the handguns and they came up with a way to rack the slide or bolt carrier real quick and get some aimed shots off. By carrying chamber empty they eliminated a lot of accidents. It seemed to work well for them. For having that many citizens armed their safety record is good.

[BigBadBrian]

In Israel the teachers are armed. The thing is everyone has to do a mandatory two years in the Israel Defense Forces so they are trained with weapons.

I remember getting on buses in Israel and it was nothing seeing people carrying an Uzi or a Galil.

[Nitro Express]

But, how come we don't need any armed guards? How did it get to that? :-(

Degradation of society. We have some screwed up kids because the family situation in this country has gone to pot over the last 40 years. We have really high teen suicide rates. The guns have always been around in this country. I owned guns and my high school friends had them. Our high school even had a skeet shooting club and you took your shotgun to school and the principal locked them up in his office. After school you picked up your gun. The school rule is it had to be in a case with a lock on it.

The thought of shooting someone let alone shoot up the school was so beyond reality and so absurd it was like a dark fantasy. I can't think of one public shooting that ever took place in our town. I don't even think our bank got held up ever.

What happened is mom ditched her responsibility to her children and made chasing a career more important. Married couples who probably could work things out got divorces because they were egoed out and selfish. Kids are often stuck in the middle of feuding parents using the kids to get back at each other. Then you have nobody home to supervise anyone with video games, movies, and even television shows full of some real twisted and violent stuff. Expose children to that you desensitize them and when your family situation is bad and depressing and you are shooting things in a video game everyday for hours. That's what you know. Then when the other screwed up kids bully you it's not get in a fist fight, it's shoot the bastards because thats what you do in the game.

Also I see parents taking young kids to movies that they shouldn't even be at. When I was a kid the world was defined as adult and then safe for children. Las Vegas was for adults, they didn't let kids in most places there and the city was not for kids. Now you have guys advertising the strip club next to a roller coaster with kids on it. There was adult entertainment or parental advisories to let parents know there was violence that might affect kids. Now parents take their kids to see Saw movies.

This new way of parenting isn't working and once the rot sets in it gets into everything and once a society gets full of corruption it's takes whole institutions down and even governments down. History is full of such scenarios. Another problem in the US was the vast wealth. There is a cycle, once a country becomes wealthy the next generations become lazy and ill behaved. Usually it destroys the country.

This isn't an overnight problem. It took 40 years to get here and now everyone is going holy shit the kids are mass murderers. Well, look at what you exposed them to. They are only acting out what they grew up on.

In short, a lot of parents made other things in life more important than their own children and the children are rebelling and lashing out. Some in very violent ways.

[DONNIEP]

Society is fucked. When your 12 year old kid can point out all the kids at school that cut themselves there's a problem.

[POJO_Risin]

In all honesty...fund a public school teacher and ask them what happens to the smart kids who have clear, erratic mental issues...

Public schools get jackhammered for letting these kids slip through the cracks, but find out the truth.

Before we talk about gun control with regards to this issue...start there.

Yes, gun control should be discussed in some form, but the root is more serious...

[DONNIEP]

In all honesty...fund a public school teacher and ask them what happens to the smart kids who have clear, erratic mental issues

Good point. I have no idea what happens to them.

[DavidLeeNatra]

so glad that your more than 200 years old constitution doesn't hold more totally outdated shit like the 2nd amendment...you gun wankers would justify burning red haired women as witches too, I guess...

hello? wake up...times have changed a bit like these days:

[DavidLeeNatra]

and just to give you a clue what we are talking about here:

[DavidLeeNatra]

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[DavidLeeNatra]

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[BigBadBrian]

DavidLeeNatra...You sick, demented MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

[envy_me]

[SIZE=]DavidLeeNatra...You sick, demented MOTHERFUCKER!!!![/SIZE]

Take a look at your avatar before calling people sick.

[Little Texan]

What the hell?

We could do without the images of dead children in this thread, which is highly inappropriate regarding the circumstances.

[Kristy]

I'm of the opinion that something rather than nothing must be done. I'm not anti gun, but arming everyone everywhere only ensures a big step backwards in time will occur. Every dispute will end in someone being the quicker draw. That's insanity.

Did you ever see the movie the Incredibles? There's a great scene where the villain, Syndrome, who's powers are artificial (basically he's armed to the teeth with inventive weaponry) tells a shackled Mr. Incredible that he's going to sell all of his inventions to everybody so that everyone can be super. He closes with this truthful line, "and when everybody's super... no one will be."

You can't shun the concept of at least entertaining the notion of how passing legislation may do something rather than nothing. What's the harm in a conversation being had?

Reminds of the Star Trek episode where Kirk and Spock (when not being gay with each other) find themselves some planet that is run by 1930's style gangsters. The premise of the plot was that these gangs who lived in a culture of turf mentality, paranoia and violence (sound familiar). Anyhoo, theses gangs wanted more and more guns in order to kill off the other gangs. They escalated their love of murder for each other in the logic that the more high-powered and deadly the weapon the more right they had to them to "protect" themselves until the government er, the Federation came in and put a stop to it. That is what I see is gong to happen not too long from now.

[DLR Bridge]

Seriously Natra. Post #75 good. #77 & #78 wtf's the matter with you?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I removed the pics, Natra....

We do not need to see pics of dead children....

[Kristy]

Incorrect.

More mental illness = more gun violence.

Saying a gun causes violence is like saying a fork causes you to be fat.

Bullshit you fucking moron. The more guns there are the more accessible they are to the likes of the mentally ill. I mean, how else could one explain why you have one? Allegedly.

[Little Texan]

I removed the pics, Natra....

We do not need to see pics of dead children....

Thank you, Va!

[BigBadBrian]

Take a look at your avatar before calling people sick.

Do you know what a movie is? Do you know what a police officer is? Congratulations, you've just seen a police officer being portrayed in a movie. You even said cops in your insignificant country are allowed to carry guns. And that avatar was up for at least 2 months before the recent tragedy.

[BigBadBrian]

I removed the pics, Natra....

We do not need to see pics of dead children....

Thanks!