Black Sabbath Album "13" due in June

[ELVIS]

They're not getting my money this time around...

[Monkeeman]

Yup. I always though the album got a bum rap. There's a lot of good tunes.

Hard Road is my favourite track on Never Say Die!

[Seshmeister]

They're not getting my money this time around...

To be fair not many people do...

[ELVIS]

Money is overrated anyway...

[Von Halen]

They're not getting my money this time around...

When I got home last night, my big deluxe box set was there.

I forgot to bring the CD's on the road with me today...

[ELVIS]

The Ozzy box set ??

[Von Halen]

The Ozzy box set ??

The "13" box set. The CD's, DVD, Vinyl...

I ordered it so long ago, I forgot I had ordered it. I don't even have a fucking record player anymore, so I don't know wtf I was thinking...

[Seshmeister]

I don't either, WTF?

[DLR Bridge]

Schoolboy error, he should have at least have been smart enough to keep it to himself.

Now everyone knows if a line looks simple or a bit lame that's all there is to it, they are less likely to look for a deeper subtle meaning.

You ain't kidding. What a shame. It shouldn't say bassist/lyricist. It should say bassist/guy who got stuck with the job of penning drivel for Ozzy to "sing".

I've heard the one song so far, and from what I've read here, I'm thinking of preserving the band's legacy in my mind by never listening to the rest.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Just to keep track of the scorecard here, we have reports that the lyrics suck, the production is bad, and the music itself is not good. Anything else?

[ELVIS]

And Ozzy imitates Dave's deep talking voice...

[ELVIS]

The "13" box set. The CD's, DVD, Vinyl...

I ordered it so long ago, I forgot I had ordered it. I don't even have a fucking record player anymore, so I don't know wtf I was thinking...

I feel sorry for you...

[ELVIS]

This blows the new Sabbath away by far...



They should have let the guy who wrote and produced Scream handle Sabbath...

What's his name ??

At least he knows how to make Ozzy sound good...

[ELVIS]

Kevin Churko...

[Von Halen]

I feel sorry for you...

Thank you.

[ELVIS]

Just kidding...

I'll give you ten bucks for it...

[sonrisa salvaje]

And Ozzy imitates Dave's deep talking voice...

This just in. The cover art has been deemed too simple and the liner note font is not inspiring.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Oh, anyone else make the connection with the thunderstorm at the end of the album? Full circle kind of thing, I guess?

We must spin this negatively. This is actually Ozzy farting.

[kwame k]

Listened to the free sampling the other day and only made it halfway through........Ward is sorely missed and this doesn't have half the energy as any of the stuff they did with Dio!

[Mr. Vengeance]

I'm going out in my car and I'm going to put it on, nice volume and see how it sounds there. It will be my second listen. I figure I'll still say afterwards that it's not bad.

Honestly....why people get so worked up over a fucking record? Don't like it? Don't listen. Why bitch endlessly about it? From what I can tell, those upset didn't even shell out the $12 to buy the thing.

[Von Halen]

I'm going out in my car and I'm going to put it on, nice volume and see how it sounds there. It will be my second listen. I figure I'll still say afterwards that it's not bad.

Honestly....why people get so worked up over a fucking record? Don't like it? Don't listen. Why bitch endlessly about it? From what I can tell, those upset didn't even shell out the $12 to buy the thing.

Yeah, fuck 'em! They must not remember Black Sabbath. I think they were hoping for a U2 record instead!


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[binnie]

It's certainly not as bad as some of you guys are making out. The problem is it's not instantaeous, largely because the songs are too long/jammy....

[kwame k]

Some of Sabbath's greatest songs were long and jammy.........this record didn't even peak my interest on any level!
It just laid there and if an established band I've liked for decades can't grab my attention a few songs in.......there's no point and trying to like it for nostalgia's sake!

Plus, without Ward on what's billed as an original line-up recording, it's got to be amazing from the get go!

[ThrillsNSpills]

wasn't Iommi challenged from cancer when they did this album?

his creative filter may not have been where it usually is....

[Mr. Vengeance]

Some of Sabbath's greatest songs were long and jammy.........this record didn't even peak my interest on any level!
It just laid there and if an established band I've liked for decades can't grab my attention a few songs in.......there's no point and trying to like it for nostalgia's sake!

Plus, without Ward on what's billed as an original line-up recording, it's got to be amazing from the get go!

So? Who's asking you to like it.

[kwame k]

So? Who's asking you to like it.

About the same amount of people asking you to comment on my comments

[kwame k]

wasn't Iommi challenged from cancer when they did this album?

his creative filter may not have been where it usually is....

Yeah, he was!

[Mr. Vengeance]

I went into this album trying to keep and open mind. The early comments didn't lead me to expect much, but it isn't bad. But I did keep an open mind. I see too much of this from fans- they get attached to a band, and then expect that same initial "pop" that they got when they first discovered the band. Never going to happen. Especially when you discover a band as a kid and then follow them into your adulthood. People change. Bands change. Styles change.

Nothing drives me nuts more than the fan of a band who says, "Everything they've done since (insert album here) sucks." Everyone knows this guy- "Aerosmith hasn't done anything good since Draw the Line"..."The Stones haven't put out anything good since Tattoo You"..."Ozzy's sucked since Bark at the Moon", etc....

If you were looking to put 13 on and hear Sabotage, you were stupid in expecting it in the first place. If you wanted Master of Reality, go put on MOR!!!!

[Mr. Vengeance]

About the same amount of people asking you to comment on my comments

Well, commenting on what others say is what we do here...what did you expect? That's why it's a discussion forum.

[ThrillsNSpills]

If you were looking to put 13 on and hear Sabotage, you were stupid in expecting it in the first place. If you wanted Master of Reality, go put on MOR!!!!

It's an excellent idea actually, especially if you're a fan and haven't heard them in a while.
I heard Looking for Today yesterday after not hearing it in years and was knocked out by it.


I thought there was some great stuff on Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, but everyone knows they took a beating from critics.
I haven't heard the new one yet, or Scream for that matter but I'll get around to it.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Listening to MOR always reminds me of High school religion class. The teacher was ranting about satanic rock music, and singling out BS. Someone brought in MOR and asked him to listen to "After Forever".

Oh yeah, in Canada, religion in school is prefectly legal...

[ThrillsNSpills]

Yeah, I guess it doesn't help that the original first album came out with an inverted cross on the inside cover and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has 666 on the front cover.
After Forever seems to be a pro God song, not that lyrics are the first thing I listen to, but the Pope on a rope is a more distinguishable line than most of the song.

[Satan]

I was really pissed off when they wrote "After Forever".....

After all I had done for them, it looked like they were switching teams.

[jhale667]

Listening to MOR always reminds me of High school religion class. The teacher was ranting about satanic rock music, and singling out BS. Someone brought in MOR and asked him to listen to "After Forever".

Oh yeah, in Canada, religion in school is prefectly legal...

Your post reminded me of a big presentation a girl did at my parochial school, pretty much aimed at me and my two best friends, who were the "3 amigos of metal" in our class of mostly preppy douchebags. It was called "Expose on Rock Music" by Rev. Marty Tinglehoff or some shit. She'd sent away for the series to "save us" because she thought if we heard "Stairway to Heaven" and "Black Sabbath" backwards we'd hear the supposed backwards satanic messages. We didn't, and proceeded to make a joke of the entire thing, much to the chagrin of our would-be "savior" and the idiot teacher that wasted an entire class on it. In hindsight the teacher probably could've gotten into trouble as the tape was a Baptist preacher, not exactly approved listening. Even as teens we could debunk every stupid assertion made by the zealotard on the tape.

Finally, getting beyond frustrated, the girl looks at me and tries to go all condescending: "Now, Jay - YOU KNOW Ozzy worships Satan."

Told her "No, I know no such thing - it'd be kind of weird for a guy that screams 'God bless you all' after every song to be a satanist, don't you thnk?"

Suddenly she became FURIOUS - "He does NOT say that!" (she said as if she knew)


"Really? Ever been to one of his shows? We have." At that point my friends confirmed he did, as did a couple of other kids that had seen a live vid on MTV or something... I thought her head was going to explode...

[Mr. Vengeance]

I was really pissed off when they wrote "After Forever".....

After all I had done for them, it looked like they were switching teams.

Ahh yes, Satan, but they were Born Again on this classic album!

[ELVIS]

wasn't Iommi challenged from cancer when they did this album?

his creative filter may not have been where it usually is....

Then why make an album ??

This bullshit is nothing more than a cash grab...

[lesfunk]

It's not as bad as I initially thought. it's a grower but not a classic

[lesfunk]

Then why make an album ??

This bullshit is nothing more than a cash grab...

that's bullshit. It's the best album they could make. Unfortunately, like many classic artists, they are no longer capable of equaling their best work.

[Von Halen]

"Peace Of Mind" is my favorite song!


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[ELVIS]

Yeah, about the only good song is a bonus track...



That sounds like a totally different animal than the rest of the boring crap...

An album like that would be just fine...