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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Big brother to log your drinking habits and waist size...

    JACK DOYLE


    GPs are to be forced to hand over confidential records on all their patients’ drinking habits, waist sizes and illnesses.

    The files will be stored in a giant information bank that privacy campaigners say represents the ‘biggest data grab in NHS history’.

    They warned the move would end patient confidentiality and hand personal information to third parties.

    But Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, said: ‘Under these proposals, medical confidentiality is, in effect, dead and there is currently nobody standing in the way.’ Nick Pickles, of the privacy group Big Brother Watch, said NHS managers would now be in charge of our most confidential information.

    He added: ‘It is unbelievable how little the public is being told about what is going on, while GPs are being strong-armed into handing over details about their patients and to not make a fuss.

    ‘Not only have the public not been told what is going on, none of us has been asked to give our permission for this to happen.’

    The data grab is part of Everyone Counts, a programme to extend the availability of patient data across the Health Service.

    Campaigners for privacy: They warn the move would end patient confidentiality and hand personal information to third parties

    GPs will be required to send monthly updates on their patients to a central database run by the NHS’s Health and Social Care Information Centre.

    Health chiefs will be able to demand information on every patient, such as why they have been referred to a consultant. Another arm of the NHS will supply data on patient prescriptions.

    In a briefing for GPs, health chiefs admit that ‘patient identifiable components’ will be demanded, including post code and date of birth.

    NHS officials insist the information centre will be a ‘safe haven’ for personal data, which will be deleted soon after it is received.

    The information will be used to analyse demand for services and improve treatment.

    But a document outlining the scheme even raises the prospect of clinical data being passed on or sold to third parties.

    It states: ‘The patient identifiable components will not be released outside the safe haven except as permitted by the Data Protection Act.

    ‘HSCIC ... will store the data and link it only where approved and necessary, ensuring that patient confidentiality is protected.’

    Personal: The data collected includes pulse rate, weight, cholesterol levels, body mass index, family health history, alcohol and smoking status

    Patients will not be able to opt out of the system.

    Before the election the Tories condemned the creation of huge databases – including the controversial NHS IT project – and insisted it would roll back ‘Labour’s database state’.

    But last month, in the first sign of a dramatic shift away from this position, Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said he wanted millions of private medical records to be stored and shared between hospitals, GPs, care homes and even local councils. He sold the programme as part of plans for a ‘paperless NHS’ by 2018 and claimed ‘thousands of lives’ would be saved.

    But details of the changes have raised serious concerns among civil liberties and privacy campaigners, as well as health professionals. Last night GPs’ leaders said the latest proposals were too broad.

    ‘Patients must be given the option to opt out of any scheme that seeks to transfer identifiable information about them from their records to another source,’ said a BMA spokesman.

    ‘This opt-out should be widely advertised and explained in order that patients are reassured and understand the process being carried out.’

    Phil Booth of the campaign group NO2ID said an unprecedented volume of data would be ‘sucked up’.
    ‘People have to trust in the notion of medical confidentiality. They expect to be able to talk in confidence to their GP,’ he said.

    ‘They don’t expect their private conversations to be uploaded on to a national database where they will be made available for any number of purposes for the benefit of persons unknown.’

    A spokesman for the NHS said last night: ‘The NHS constitution makes clear what information can be used for by the NHS and this proposal complies exactly with that.’



  • vandeleur
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Sep 2009
    • 9865

    #2
    It's a daily mail article .... Tory racist scare monger of a tabloid
    fuck your fucking framing

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49205

      #3
      And a massive distortion of the truth akin to a "red herring." One would think some dolt who worked in the medical industry would grasp the need to modernize patient records. Drinking habits and weight are generally part of that. Some meds interact with alcohol. Some people drink from when they wake up 'til they go to bed. Doctors should probably know that when prescribing meds...

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      • envy_me
        Swedish Love Pump
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Dec 2010
        • 7180

        #4
        Big brother must have pretty pathetic life to care about my drinking habits... :-/ (cause I assume we have the same big brother )
        Last edited by envy_me; 02-02-2013, 01:35 PM.
        The heart is on the left. The blood is red.

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          Big Brother doesn't need to be armed with all of your personal information...

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58789

            #6
            If "Big Brother" wants to know what I drink, just consult the Beercyclopedia. It's right there for the whole goddamned world to see.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58789

              #7
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • envy_me
                Swedish Love Pump
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Dec 2010
                • 7180

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                If "Big Brother" wants to know what I drink, just consult the Beercyclopedia. It's right there for the whole goddamned world to see.
                LMFAO!!! Right? Who cares...
                The heart is on the left. The blood is red.

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                • DONNIEP
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 13373

                  #9
                  The last time I went to the doctor they had me fill out a sheet asking all about my drinking and smoking habits. Drug use too. I lied. They should have simply asked what websites do you frequent?
                  American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58789

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DONNIEP
                    The last time I went to the doctor they had me fill out a sheet asking all about my drinking and smoking habits. Drug use too. I lied. They should have simply asked what websites do you frequent?
                    Well, now that's different. Your doctor could have legitimate medical reasons for asking for such information. Drug interactions and all that sort of thing. Which Elvis, as an ex-nurse is well aware of, though he chose to view the story through his Alex Jones conspiracy tinted glasses.
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • envy_me
                      Swedish Love Pump
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 7180

                      #11
                      Well, the way doctors are today, I just google what ever the problem is, find out myself, go there and tell them what I need and if they think it's fair (which they always do) they just give it to me. I don't trust them, they rather not deal with me (or anybody)... Works great.
                      The heart is on the left. The blood is red.

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                      • DONNIEP
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 13373

                        #12
                        No, I understand why they were asking. Definitely legitimate reasons. It's what the gubment does with the info that's the issue. I have a routine visit coming up and if they ask about my guns I am immediately coming home and fashioning a tin foil hat!
                        American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58789

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DONNIEP
                          No, I understand why they were asking. Definitely legitimate reasons. It's what the gubment does with the info that's the issue. I have a routine visit coming up and if they ask about my guns I am immediately coming home and fashioning a tin foil hat!
                          Unless you walk in with gunshot wounds, I don't see why guns should be part of the medical discussion.

                          The only reason guns should have any connection to a medical database is when it comes to mental health issues, which should be sufficient reason to prevent someone from buying a gun.
                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • DONNIEP
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 13373

                            #14
                            And I completely agree with that - if it can keep a looney from getting a gun I'm all for it.
                            American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                            • vandeleur
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 9865

                              #15
                              UK Govt advice for alcohol intake is:
                              Men should drink no more than 21 units of alcohol per week, no more than four units in any one day, and have at least two alcohol-free days a week.

                              Thats lesss than 10 pints a week.
                              Wonder how many of us stuck to that .

                              I went to the doctors recently for some blood tests and lied about my intake and he still freaked out on me .......

                              Stopping drinking wont make you live longer but it will sure fucking feel like it
                              fuck your fucking framing

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