David Lee Roth Vents About Van Halen's Future

[VHscraps]

I read he actually fired Al during the recording of VH III. Can't remember where, but I think Fire In The Hole may be Ed playing drums.

I read it in an interview with Andy Johns - he and Ed had fallen out by then. I just googled 'Andy Johns Van Halen fired Alex' and there it was:

"Well Ed started thinking he didn't have to listen to anybody. And he fired everyone in the band. The only one left was him. Everyone else was gone. He even fired Alex."

[Seshmeister]

So... let's say Ed does get angry over this... one small problem: now he has to fire Dave AND Al...

Dave said a lot worse things about Eddie and did a hell of a lot more baiting on his radio show - not long after that he was back in the band.

This could be a deliberate move by him and Alex, maybe they chose Rolling Stone because they knew it would get back to him.

[Zing!]

I read he actually fired Al during the recording of VH III. Can't remember where, but I think Fire In The Hole may be Ed playing drums.

Jesus - I've never heard THAT one before. Holy shit...

[LoungeMachine]

Jesus - I've never heard THAT one before. Holy shit...

That's nothing....

Ed once fired ME here.....

But The Clique had my back......

[LoungeMachine]

Dave said a lot worse things about Eddie and did a hell of a lot more baiting on his radio show - not long after that he was back in the band.

This could be a deliberate move by him and Alex, maybe they chose Rolling Stone because they knew it would get back to him.

Because Ed reads RS Online.....but never listened to Dave's show.....

[DLR Bridge]

...maybe they chose Rolling Stone because they knew it would get back to him.

A strong possibility but it still confounds me. How is a phone call not the best way to speak to someone within your own band? These are truly different human beings we're dealing with.

[Nitro Express]

A strong possibility but it still confounds me. How is a phone call not the best way to speak to someone within your own band? These are truly different human beings we're dealing with.

No kidding. How hard is it to pick up the phone and call Eddie. "Hi Ed. It's Dave. Hey I was wondering about what we are going to do after we are done with this last tour leg. I have some ideas on some things we could do I just thought I would call and see what you wanted to do."

[LoungeMachine]

A strong possibility but it still confounds me. How is a phone call not the best way to speak to someone within your own band? These are truly different human beings we're dealing with.

You honestly don't think he tried every other avenue first???



c'mon

[Seshmeister]

When the Osbournes TV show was being made Ozzy was deemed 'sober' because he was mainly on prescription drugs.

Who knows what condition sober Ed is in...

[jhale667]

That's nothing....

Ed once fired ME here.....

But The Clique had my back......

I threatened to storm the compound....

[DLR Bridge]

You honestly don't think he tried every other avenue first???



c'mon

No, this is where the perpetual contact between Al an Dave throws me a curve ball. Talking to Al is ostensibly the same thing as talking to Ed. Why is there this perpetual communication breakdown after all they've been through, all they've hugged out and all of the progress they've made? It's fucking ponderous.

[fraroc]

After re-reading, I really don't think that it means VH just broke up, I do think that the interview hints at a POSSIBLE 2014 Van Halen Farewell Tour.

[Nickdfresh]

I like how main has become the one stop shopping headquarters for Monday morning psychoanalytic perspectives and criticism of all things Van Halen...

Has "become?" When hasn't it been?

[DLR Bridge]

Wow Nick, he wrote that this morning. Where ya been?

[Nickdfresh]

A...
I believe bottom line... Dave resents the hell out of being 3rd fiddle in the band. A certain Van Halen is out in the mainstream working for his dinner and that pisses Dave off because he's saddled to ....

I don't know if I agree with that when we consider that Dave and Al talk daily. I think most everything has to do with when Ed is ready, hopefully he's recovered and things will begin to kick off shortly...

[Nickdfresh]

Wow Nick, he wrote that this morning. Where ya been?

I forgot we had a forum on Roth-CVH.

[jhale667]

Dave and Al talking daily can't be anything but a good sign IMO. If it was just a daily conference to hash out business shit - c'mon, they have "people" that could do that for them. Hopefully it signals a united front in continuing the legacy of VH.

[DLR Bridge]

Dave and Al talking daily can't be anything but a good sign IMO. If it was just a daily conference to hash out business shit - c'mon, they have "people" that could do that for them. Hopefully it signals a united front in continuing the legacy of VH.

Good pernt, but don't forget, those "people" supposedly fucked everything up in 2000. United front sounds way better than Dave's two least favorite words, "band meeting."

[gbranton]

You listen to the interviews from back in the day and watch videos like the one of Dave and Alex clowning around in the Merc filming the footage for Panama and it's clear that they used to be great friends. I am happy for the two of them, I know what a great feeling it is to reunite with an old friend.

[Terry]

I tend to doubt that Ed would make some wild band decision based on this latest Roth interview...it wouldn't be a surprise to me if Ed hasn't even read it even if he has heard about it: at best, Ed would probably chalk it all up to "Roth is running off with the mouth again".

It also wouldn't be a surprise to find out that Roth did this interview as a way to make his feelings known to Eddie, and that Dave and Eddie don't communicate one-to-one in an offstage setting anymore. I mean, it seems silly to me, but these guys were (at various points) unable to deal with each other in their twenties, thirties and forties: how much of a shock would it be to find out that the same holds true now that they are all crowding 60?

[DLR Bridge]

Their definitely a volatile pair. I think in Ed's Esquire interview, he came off a bit insecure at one point when he felt he had to express that 'there was music behind the words ya know'. And now you've got Dave hemming that Stay Frosty is dumped towards the back end of the CD because it's the one song he wrote.

I still have a copy of the old Musician magazine with Dave and Ed on the cover. It says, "The oddest couple. Will it last?" As fair a question in '13 as it was in '84.

[Nitro Express]

cocksuckers and skull fuckers.

[AJW]

Was the Interscope deal a one and done?

I believe so.

[chefcraig]

I still have a copy of the old Musician magazine with Dave and Ed on the cover. It says, "The oddest couple. Will it last?" As fair a question in '13 as it was in '84.

I'm pretty sure my copy is laying around here as well. Looking back on what took place afterward, it was one hell of a prescient title for an article, not to mention astute.

cocksuckers and skull fuckers.

I loved it when VH covered that tune on the Brazil bootleg.

[Heater]

I wonder if Dave and Al speak daily or if its another Roth embellishment......
Since reuniting, is Dave anything more than a contracted employee?
Its killing him that he isnt even close to steering the boat.
He may feel the end is truly near and he has nothing to lose by talking, I get the feeling when Ed let him back in it was with the caveat of keeping his mouth shut. Things really didnt turn out the way he thought they would when he was re-hired. Took him 7 years to man up and mention Mike? Cant wait for the extended Panama dance mix.

[DLR Bridge]

Wow Chef. Busting out some SAT words. My drunk ass had to look up prescient. Agreed!

[DLR Bridge]

I wonder if Dave and Al speak daily or if its another Roth embellishment......
Since reuniting, is Dave anything more than a contracted employee?
Its killing him that he isnt even close to steering the boat.
He may feel the end is truly near and he has nothing to lose by talking, I get the feeling when Ed let him back in it was with the caveat of keeping his mouth shut. Things really didnt turn out the way he thought they would when he was re-hired. Took him 7 years to man up and mention Mike? Cant wait for the extended Panama dance mix.

You have such a way about you. You pop in once every 5 days or so and take about 3 different pot shots in one shitty little paragraph and then poof, your gone. Yay you. Such a valiant existence.

[clarathecarrot]

I though maybe chef was cruising the local spelling bee's looking for chicks and accidentally learned some new words.

[Heater]

You have such a way about you. You pop in once every 5 days or so and take about 3 different pot shots in one shitty little paragraph and then poof, your gone. Yay you. Such a valiant existence.

I rest easy knowing you re ALWAYS here. Saying the same thing....over and over.....

[DLR Bridge]

I rest easy knowing you re ALWAYS here. Saying the same thing....over and over.....

Oh gee. Y'got me. I'm a fan who shoots the shit with friends I've made around the globe.

You? Your a nobody with no friends who can't help but fire off shitty, negative comments about Dave. Bravo. Keep up the good work.

[Heater]

You do have a lot of pals that you talk to on line, thats WONDERFUL. At the same time, theres a big old world outside that basement window where you can talk to others in person, kinda cool.

[DLR Bridge]

You do have a lot of pals that you talk to on line, thats WONDERFUL. At the same time, theres a big old world outside that basement window where you can talk to others in person, kinda cool.

Nope. The 'basement' shtick doesn't apply here pal. Got a family and a job. Friends I see in person and friends I talk to here. Nice try though.

Look, no one here thinks that the VH-DLR saga isn't a bad soap opera. We all can be, and have been harsh critics, of Dave particularly, too. I just think it's apparent that your criticisms are from directly across enemy lines. You're pro-Hagar without ever mentioning him. Perhaps your on his books. Professional irritant. Hey, if you're getting paid to stir shit, hats off to you. If not, I just don't get it.

[GreenEyedMurder]

I think Ed is done with it to be honest. Vallerie Bertinelli said the only reason the last tour happened was Ed wanted to play on stage with Wolfie and that was the only reason. She said other than doing that he had no motivation to go on the road and was pretty much done with it. I don't think Ed Van Halen makes big long-term plans and kind of is in his own world. He leaves everyone hanging. I have the gut feeling Ed isn't going to go out on the road anymore. I think Val was right. He did his thing with Wolf and Wolf seems to be doing his thing with younger bands.

I fear the same. I also think that his recovery after the surgery has been quite a bit longer than usual for diverticulitis. That means he was either sicker than he let on, or he wanted out for at least a while.

[GreenEyedMurder]

I really wouldn't get overly excited one way or the other....

All we're doing is reading Dave's words, we can't see his mannerisms nor his inflections in his voice....

Meaning, we really don't know if he was speaking in a "doom and gloom" manner, as if he doubted they would EVER do anything....

So I'm just gonna take the article at face value, and nothing more....

I didn't take it as doom and gloom, but as Dave being anxious to get back into action. He also made references to realizing that age is starting to catch up to him, so I assume that he wants to live as much as possible before he has to slow down. I read it as Dave bursting at the seams to just DO SOMETHING, and that he really wants to do it with Van Halen, but in the meantime, he's going to explore different creative outlets -- from a jukebox musical (whatever that is) to The Roth Show to a bilingual Japanese radio show. The boy gets restless.

[DLR Bridge]

My friend's mother battled Diverticulitis for the better part of a year. I'm amazed she even lived the way she was so brought down by it. She can't be much older than Ed either.

[DLR Bridge]

I didn't take it as doom and gloom, but as Dave being anxious to get back into action. He also made references to realizing that age is starting to catch up to him, so I assume that he wants to live as much as possible before he has to slow down. I read it as Dave bursting at the seams to just DO SOMETHING, and that he really wants to do it with Van Halen, but in the meantime, he's going to explore different creative outlets -- from a jukebox musical (whatever that is) to The Roth Show to a bilingual Japanese radio show. The boy gets restless.

You hit the nail on the head with that one. "60 is the new 80" is Dave's way of saying he knows he ain't gonna be spritely in his sixties like Mick Jagger. Besides, Mick just has to shimmy around and croak out his tunes and his faithful are apparently fine with that. Dave is well aware that his fans judge him harshly on his mobility and vocal abilities. It shouldn't be that way. He's not Benjamin fucking Button!

[Heater]

Nope. The 'basement' shtick doesn't apply here pal. Got a family and a job. Friends I see in person and friends I talk to here. Nice try though.

Look, no one here thinks that the VH-DLR saga isn't a bad soap opera. We all can be, and have been harsh critics, of Dave particularly, too. I just think it's apparent that your criticisms are from directly across enemy lines. You're pro-Hagar without ever mentioning him. Perhaps your on his books. Professional irritant. Hey, if your getting paid to stir shit, hats off to you. If not, I just don't get it.

Sorry but youre wrong. Always been a CVH fan, playing the Hagar card is a pretty tired tactic but use what you got. I just dont blindly cheer everything Roth does nor do I idolize him. Watching him after he left just kinda got painful to me, doesnt mean his initial tenure in the band was any less stellar (we LOVE that word). When he first got back with the boys he asked that the judging be harsh, so I am taking him at his word. Many here wont do that, if being an apologist is easier, stay the course, you dont want to hurt Daves feelings? Thats cool, but why get so pissed off?

[GreenEyedMurder]

Well, I'll repeat my Michael Anthony "thesis" again for those who've graciously ignored it in the past...

I have held the belief since the very day that Mike was let go that it was NOT because he was playing gigs with Bette. Rather, I have always said that EVH's primary objective was to play onstage with his son.

The fact that Mike had been playing gigs with Bette simply created a very convenient excuse to tell the fans.

But now that Wolf is playing gigs with people closer to his age, and you cannot fault him for that, maybe this will once and for all allow Mike the opportunity to get his foot back in the Van Halen door....

And I think that Dave's statement's about Mike in RS is DLR picking the lock to that door.....

Also, bringing back Mike would totally screw over Chickenfoot.

[DLR Bridge]

I recall him saying "judge us harshly" and I have. I'm not here to kiss his ass. I expect the best of him. You say I say the same thing over and over. Really? C'mon. If I'm wrong about your Hagar-ness, you gotta admit to being wrong about that.

[GreenEyedMurder]

My friend's mother battled Diverticulitis for the better part of a year. I'm amazed she even lived the way she was so brought down by it. She can't be much older than Ed either.

I'm pretty sure that coping with an illness is quite different than recovering from surgery.