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    Dolan is reportedly willing to spend more money next season. we'll see how that pans out...
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    Talking Browns Most Loyal Fans..

    Cleveland is No. 1 in rankings of NFL fan loyalty
    Kansas City and Philadelphia are second and third, Oakland is last

    By G. Scott Thomas
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    Updated: 6:13 p.m. ET Sept. 8, 2006

    The Cleveland Browns stumbled to a 6-10 record last year, their third straight losing season. Browns Stadium was sold out for every game.

    The Kansas City Chiefs entered the season with high hopes, but missed the playoffs for the second year in a row. Arrowhead Stadium was sold out for every game.

    The Philadelphia Eagles plummeted to a 6-10 mark, their worst since 1999. Lincoln Financial Field was sold out for every game.



    Cleveland fans earned first place by routinely packing their 73,000-seat stadium despite the dismal play of the Browns — who have won only 36 of 112 games since 1999 — and a climate that is among the coldest in the league.

    Such steadfast support is the reason why Cleveland, Kansas City and Philadelphia are 1-2-3 in Bizjournals's new rankings of National Football League fan loyalty. (Click here for the top-to-bottom standings of all 32 teams.)

    The study set out to identify the NFL's best fans. Not the ones who turn out in strong numbers for a winning team, but the ones who stay loyal even if their team is losing, the weather is frightful or their local market is small.

    Cleveland fans earned first place by routinely packing their 73,000-seat stadium despite the dismal play of the Browns — who have won only 36 of 112 games since 1999 — and a climate that is among the coldest in the league.

    Kansas City and Philadelphia received high marks for consistently drawing capacity crowds in both good seasons and bad. K.C. has averaged 77,300 fans per game since 1996, while Philly has filled 99.8 percent of available seats. Both figures rank second in the NFL over the 10-year span.

    Rounding out the top 10 in the fan rankings are the Green Bay Packers, Dallas Cowboys, Buffalo Bills, Houston Texans, Denver Broncos, Baltimore Ravens and Washington Redskins. (Click here for detailed profiles of all 32 teams.)

    Each NFL team's performance was analyzed in seven categories for the period of 1996-2005, including average attendance, percentage of seats filled, fluctuation in attendance between good and bad seasons, on-field record, market population, local income levels and weather.

    The study analyzed each team in two ways — first for its level of fan support and then for the difficulty it poses to long-term supporters. Cleveland is No. 1 on both lists, clinching first place in the overall rankings of fan loyalty.

    Sixty percent of each team's final score is based on the quality of its support, while 40 percent depends on the difficulties its fans face. The tougher the conditions become — a losing record, a small market or harsh weather — the higher a team's difficulty score will be.

    Right behind the Browns on the support list are Philadelphia, Kansas City, Denver and Green Bay. All attract capacity crowds game after game, year after year.

    The runners-up to Cleveland in the difficulty standings are Buffalo, Cincinnati, New Orleans and Arizona. All are small to medium-sized markets whose teams have posted losing records during the past decade.

    At the bottom of the overall fan loyalty rankings are the Oakland Raiders, whose average attendance is second-worst in the NFL since 1996, even though they play in one of the league's largest, most affluent markets.

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    I'm sorry...but Pittsburgh not in the top 10 is ridiculous...

    game after game...year after year...period...

    there's something like a 10 year waiting list just to get a SEASON ticket...
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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    I'm sorry...but Pittsburgh not in the top 10 is ridiculous...

    game after game...year after year...period...

    there's something like a 10 year waiting list just to get a SEASON ticket...

    You guys do pick up a lot of bandwagoners though..

    Something the (new?) browns could never say..lol.

    It's funny seeing the tools wearing terrible towels and Polamalu jersey's thinking they're cool. When You Know for a Fact that 2 years back they were Browns fans

    Today is the big game, I got WMMS cranked so I can listen to Jimmy Donovan call the game and the game on Fox.

    Braylon and KW2 playing together for the first time..


    Should be great.

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    I agree, the bandwagon did get a little heavy last year....

    But you have to agree at the same time, Steeler Nation is fucking massive bro....
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    Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
    I agree, the bandwagon did get a little heavy last year....

    But you have to agree at the same time, Steeler Nation is fucking massive bro....
    I'm defintly not questioning that...In fact I do agree you guys should be top 5 at least..

    I just still don't like the tools that decide to be fans..Just because you guys are winning.

    I like the fans that stick with their teams through thick and thin.

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    KW2 FINALLY Scores his First Touchdown...Wow...Saints still lead us 9-7 though..

    Frye looks good..scrambled and made some big plays last drive.

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    I believe it when I see it...

    and it remains to be seen if anyone worthwhile is available...

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    Browns winning 14-3...Wow..It's looking we are auctually not sucking...

    Braylon hasn't dropped a lot..

    KW2 looking good as well...

    Frye looking like the best quarterback since the rebirth of the Browns..

    Things thus far are looking up..

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    you know better than to be so optomistic so soon.

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    lmfao...

    I didn't read all that conversation unchainme...

    but are you essentially saying that Steeler Nation is smaller than the Browns?

    Did you see the Monday Night game last night? There had to be 20,000 Steeler fans there...

    watch them on the road...

    There are 5 Steeler Bars here in Raleigh (that have been here for the past 5 years...except for one that opened up 3 years ago)

    There is a Brown Backer Bar here as well...1...

    The Steeler fans may not be #1...but they are certainly top 5...and they are fucking everywhere...always have been...

    and I agree...

    the Browns look awesome today...so far...

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    You look at steps to the improvement of a team...

    and this first half...win or lose...may be the first step...

    especially with Droughns out...they had to depend...more or less...on the pass...

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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    The Steeler fans may not be #1...but they are certainly top 5...and they are fucking everywhere...always have been...
    They're no lower than #2, the only team's fans that can even remotely claim to travel better than Steeler fans is fucking Dallas...

    Five years ago, I'd say Dallas was definitely on top, I'm not too sure at all now....

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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    lmfao...

    I didn't read all that conversation unchainme...

    but are you essentially saying that Steeler Nation is smaller than the Browns?

    Did you see the Monday Night game last night? There had to be 20,000 Steeler fans there...

    watch them on the road...

    There are 5 Steeler Bars here in Raleigh (that have been here for the past 5 years...except for one that opened up 3 years ago)

    There is a Brown Backer Bar here as well...1...

    The Steeler fans may not be #1...but they are certainly top 5...and they are fucking everywhere...always have been...

    and I agree...

    the Browns look awesome today...so far...

    Nein..I was saying they were equal..I said they were Top 5...No doubt their Die-hards are great fans..there is no questioning that..I was just simply stating that I have a distaste for those guys in my home state who are just rooting for them because the browns aren't on top..

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    Thing is though Va...it's not traveling for Pittsburgh...although that's part of it...

    I know this town here...is perhaps a Steeler town more than any other not named Panthers...

    And if you watch their away games...you'll see the same thing in many other cities...

    and you are right...probably the only other team that can lay claim to that kind of fannage in other cities are the Cowboys...even now...

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    Yo unchainme...wouldn't that very statement make Steeler fans better?

    Cleveland fans...and I'm from Cleveland remember...jump the bandwagon often...not the core...but the fringe...

    the fringe Steeler fans (and there are more core than fringe) wouldn't jump that wagon...

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    And if we were to go inhouse...

    just in state fans...RIGHT NOW...I'd go with Seattle...that homefield is incredible...

    if they sucked, they'd be damn near impossible to beat at home...

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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    And if we were to go inhouse...

    just in state fans...RIGHT NOW...I'd go with Seattle...that homefield is incredible...

    if they sucked, they'd be damn near impossible to beat at home...

    Lounge keeps telling me about this..Said they were so loud..Elway bitched and had to have the rules changed..

    They wouldn't seem like they would be that big of football fans..Being that they're mainly known for music and coffee..

    But they're like the hardest place to play now..

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    I don't get it either...

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    Maybe it's because it's so fucking dreary there...most want to kill themselves...

    and it's their only bright light...

    and what the fuck color are their jerseys...

    baby shit grey?

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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    Thing is though Va...it's not traveling for Pittsburgh...although that's part of it...

    I know this town here...is perhaps a Steeler town more than any other not named Panthers...

    And if you watch their away games...you'll see the same thing in many other cities...

    and you are right...probably the only other team that can lay claim to that kind of fannage in other cities are the Cowboys...even now...
    Yeah I know, the commentators at the games called it teams who "travel well", although we know most of those fans haven't actually travelled from Pittsburgh....

    The military has a lot to do with that, schmucks like me who didn't feel like shampooing carpets in Western Pennsylvania Pizza Huts for a living, end up living in other cities when they get out....

    Lots of people moved out of that area because of the economy, or lack thereof...

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    Originally posted by Unchainme
    Lounge keeps telling me about this..Said they were so loud..Elway bitched and had to have the rules changed..

    They wouldn't seem like they would be that big of football fans..Being that they're mainly known for music and coffee..

    But they're like the hardest place to play now..
    **cough** microphones **cough**

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    LMFAO...the Steeler fan base IS GOOD because the town IS SHITTY economy wise...

    no doubt about it...

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    Originally posted by twonabomber
    you know better than to be so optomistic so soon.

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    Manning TD...to Tyree...

    Burress and his suckiness on the bench...he's lost his job...Tyree is playing well...

    don't you love these guys...saying he should fucking run the 2 minute all game long...

    um...

    so does that guarantee the Seattle D run the prevent all game too?

    morons...

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    God..The Browns are the fucking LA Clippers of the NFL now..

    When the fuck are we going to make it back to the playoffs..

    Is that to much to ask for..After 6 years of this shit...

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    Maurice Carthon fired as offensive coordinator...but is it enough?

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    BUMP...

    Amazing..within a span of less than 24 hours, Me and Poj. go from being fans of the same team, to being rivals.

    Anyways I really want this win...If the Brownies some how miracusly pull out a Win..All the loser bandwagon fans around here, will drop off the face of the earth..

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    7-0 Cleveland...

    Browns going for it on 4th and 1 inside the 10 yd line...

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    Got the first down..

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    10-Zip Brownies..

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    Poj., VA? You guys watching the game as well?

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    Originally posted by isthatTHUNDER?!
    please unchainme, no more posts today. Thank you. I will be opening a Minto thread soon that you may read. T.
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    LOSING TO A BLACK CLEVELAND COACH GETTING TO YA?

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    Originally posted by isthatTHUNDER?!
    trust me, the ****** will find a way to give this game away. You know it, i know it. Please stop posting.

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    Man, I don't care if the Steelers are 1-15. I still love them!! The fact that the Brownies are beating them gets to me, of course, but the Steelers have been having it rough all year so far. You can't continue to turn over the ball and win games!! Look, 3 turnovers today gave the Browns 10 points. Don't get me wrong, the Browns are playing good ball but it does help when the other team just turns the ball over to you three times as well!! It friggin sucks getting beat not only by the Raiders but probably now by the Browns. O well, we'll get ya back at home!!!
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    Steelers win, and all is good...

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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    Steelers win, and all is good...
    There is no Joy in Cleveland...

    Charlie has struck out..

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    God the Browns SUCK...

    They're not even trying anymore.

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    management is supposedly behind Crennel...c'mon, they can't fire coaches every two years and expect to get anywhere.

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