For the first time in history, the Cavaliers will advance the NBA Finals following a 98-82 win over the Pistons in Game 6 at The Q on Saturday. The Cavs will travel to San Antonio to face the Spurs in Game 1 of the NBA Finals on Thursday, June 7th at 9:00 p.m. (ABC)
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Whole Region is going insane..the local ABC affliate, the local CBS affliate, all of them have breaking news of the cavs being the East Champs..
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Amen Twona,
I think as of right now..The Whole State of Michigan is owned by Ohio now..
Oh What A Night Indeed!
Yo Al...before I post this...I will let it be known that I get both our biases...and more than likely...the reality is somewhere in between...
that being said...
No doubt...some calls that Lebron gets are questionable...at best. It sure as hell isn't the way you try and sell it though.
Does Lebron get more calls than most? Yeah, he does.
Is it because he's 'like Jordan?'
NO.
Is it because he's the rare player that can find a way to a basket on every play?
Yeah, it is. And you can say he lowers his shoulder, and you can say every play should be charging...whatever...
but you and I both know if ANY NBA player drives to the hole and draws contact, it's going to be 50/50 that there's going to be an offensive or defensive foul.
Look at Manu Ginobli...same thing...and nobody calls him the 'next Jordan.'
I guarantee you Al...I can show you 5 fouls called the wrong way on a shoulder drop in EVERY game...including the Pistons.
Sheed fouled out last night...and had two baseline shots where not only did he drop his shoulder before going up to get position...but also extended his arm. Both times were called defensive fouls.
To randomly say that Cleveland has a lot more foul shots is a reason that they are getting calls that shouldn't be called is ridiculous. Cleveland shot 50, and Detroit 44...and Detroit actually made more than Cleveland did last night...37-35.
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As far as "thinking" they are getting fouled on every play...
Al...
Have you watched the Pistons?
Seriously?
I have never seen such a collective group of whiners in all my life. Between Sheed and Rip bitching about calls that ARE made or SHOULD be made...it's amazing they have time to actually play...
Last one...
where the hell was Maxiel last night?
Damn glad he didn't get any p-t...
high energy guy that just seemed to have the Cavs number...
I was scratching my head about that one...
Congats to the Cavs, long time coming....
I actually watched the last 10 minutes of the game....
Maybe it was only because the Bucs game and Game 3 of the Cup Finals were over, but hey, I watched it....
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Yo Va...you picked the wrong last 10 minutes to watch...
Thursday's game...wow...
I hear you guys ... I do ... I hope Flip Saunders is gone ... I hope Billups goes ... I hope Sheed goes ... I agree wholeheartedly that they have become the biggest bunch pussies ever. All that crying got them less respect from the officials, they hate that shit.
Its pathetic. There has to be some validity to the fact that the reasons they pissed and moaned so much was that the calls were quite lopsided in number other than Game One. But nevertheless, I am embarassed by the way they played and acted. They didn't deserve to win, and the fact is, they could have.
And the Cavs, primarily The Mop Flopper and Gibson, flop too much. That isn't me and a bias. Like I said, I saw Laimbeer in his prime, I know what it looks like and the announcers made mention to it. And when you leave guys wide open and bunch up on LeBron, they're gonna hit threes. That was Flip Saunders. They should have let James do his thing and stopped everyone else. Even if he scored 75 a game, wouldn't have been enough.
I would keep Maxiell, I would keep Amir Johnson.
And fucking deal the rest.
I will say this. EVERYONE, except Piston fans, and I include the leagues and television honchos, want the Cavs in the Finals because it is the only hope for ratings.
They've been down each an every year. This is the hope for the ratings.
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I think you're right, but I watched every game and the best team won.Originally posted by ALinChainz
I will say this. EVERYONE, except Piston fans, and I include the leagues and television honchos, want the Cavs in the Finals because it is the only hope for ratings.
No way the Cavs got calls they shouldn't. These things even out in the series.
At least they were trying to drive the basket, as was already mentioned here, rather than look for contact on a three a la Billups
If ratings were such a huge concern, no way Amare and Diaw get suspended like they did, although you could say that made this series all the more important.
If I didn't watch every game, I might claim a conspiracy, but I am fairly objective and there was no bias here from the refs.
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I absolutely agree that there was flopping...
I was laughing my ass off at the call that got Sheed his last foul...
I had said about 10 minutes earlier to my wife that the Cavs best bet was to get under their skin...and that the Pistons would self-destruct...
Here's the thing though...
the NBA should do what the NHL does...assess technicals for perceived flopping...
I do agree that the league and everyone else wanted the Cavs in...
I doubt very much that they forced the refs to make calls...like I said...they were nearly 50-50 in that last game as it progressed...
Could they have won?
Sure...
But I still think Cleveland dictated the play...and were the better team...
trust me...if they weren't...I'd say something...
I watched the last 3 minutes of regulation on Thursday, saw the highlights of the rest...Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Yo Va...you picked the wrong last 10 minutes to watch...
Thursday's game...wow...
But yeah, concur on the "wow"....
I've been a basketball fan for a long time...
and a Cavs fan my whole life...
the Wow for me was...
"This is a Cavaliers player?"
Now wait a damn minute....Originally posted by POJO_Risin
"This is a Cavaliers player?"
Lebron may be one of the best players in the NBA now, but he sure as hell is no Bingo Smith.....
You said it...I didn't...
Maybe if Lebron had a real afro...
lol..On Fox 8...They showed highlights to the first 30 secounds of "Ain't Talkin' 'bout love"...I love it...CVH+Cavs...is awesome!
I had to try to keep up with Game 6 while at a show. It was great, though, what I saw.
I can't wait for the Finals because hopefully, I'll get to see every game. (Not sure on if my flights interfere yet.)
Anyone snag tickets? I'm too far away in TX and haven't checked on Cleveland yet. I know that it'd be far more comfortable at home, etc., but, I never made it to either of the 90's World Series games and that's been about it, in my lifetime anyway. Be cool to say I was there.
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I can't imagine that tickets will be affordable for anyone that doesn't blow ESPN...
One has to imagine though, What will the crowd look like OUTSIDE for Games 3 and 4 in Cleveland...That could be worth going to the city during that time..Originally posted by POJO_Risin
I can't imagine that tickets will be affordable for anyone that doesn't blow ESPN...
Fuck I want to beat San Antonio So Badly..They're like the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA..
i won't be buying any tickets. i'll watch the games in beau-ti-fool HD for free on channel 5.
Sunday night i'll be at work but i know we'll have enough people in the breakroom feeding us updates.
IF the Cavs look like they're going to win the series i'll go downtown and drive around with the rest of the revelers.
Yo Poj. 5 years ago..What seemed more Unlikely CVH Reuniting or A Cleveland Team EVER winning a championship again?!
EZ...
Van Halen ever reuniting...
That will never happen...
"Early on in his tenure, Stepien proposed to rename the team the "Ohio Cavaliers", which the plan included playing their home games not just in the Cleveland area but also in non-Ohio markets such as Buffalo, New York and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He also introduced a polka-flavored fight song, which was widely-ridiculed by fans and the media."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Cavs
Wow this would've been stupid..Thank God For Gordon Gund.
Stephian wasn't there very long...but boy...was it painful...
It is a bit odd though..Pittsburgh and Cincy never got NBA Franchises..I never understood that..
Cincinnati had an NBA team...
The Cincinnati Royals...who came from Rochester...moved to Kansas City (changing their name to the Kings)...and ended up in Sacramento...
Buffalo had an NBA team...
The Braves...
Pittsburgh had 2 ABA teams...which were really one...the Pittsburgh Pipers...and the Pittsburgh Condors...
the Pipers actually won the first ABA title...then their owner really screwed them up...moving them away from Pittsburgh...then back to Pittsburgh...
No team ever since...
and of course...
the Pittsburgh Pythons, that eventually changed to the Pisces...
because of their star player Moses Guthrie being born under that astrological sign...
Ahhh...the Fish that saved Pittsburgh.
Funny how Guthrie looked like Julius Erving...
hmmmm
Cleveland's Run Takes On an Erie Significance
By Michael Wilbon
Wednesday, June 6, 2007; E01
They don't know exactly what to do or how to act in Cleveland these days. They haven't had much practice with a winner, not that the Cavaliers have won it all yet. In fact, LeBron James and the Cavaliers are just close enough to break Cleveland's heart again -- for only the millionth time since a professional team last won there, which was 1964.
That's why so many took to the streets and blew their horns until the wee hours on Saturday after the Cavaliers finished off the Pistons to reach the NBA Finals.
After every crushing disappointment over the last 20-plus years, whether it was the Browns, the Indians or the Cavaliers, I'd call my uncle, Cecil King, who has lived in Cleveland his entire adult life, and console him after "The Drive" or "The Fumble" or Michael Jordan shooting over Craig Ehlo. This time, it felt good to call him after Cleveland had won something, and even better to hear him, alternately laughing and choked up, say: "It's been a long time since Jim Brown. I'm turning 70 and I was getting worried I wouldn't see us get close to winning anything again. I don't think most of us expected LeBron to break through and carry us this far this year. The place is so high in spirit. It's such a beautiful time to be in Cleveland."
Don't look here for any Cleveland jokes. If any American city is deserving of the lift in civic spirit that only a sporting championship can deliver, it's Cleveland. The dearth of team championships mirrors, as longtime residents know, Cleveland's demise as a city, which began just after the Browns won the 1964 NFL championship.
"Every kind of sports disappointment you can have in sports, Cleveland has had it," my friend Brian Dunmore, born and raised in Cleveland, told me the other day. "Buzzer-beating losses in the NBA playoffs, one-out-to-go loss in the World Series, the Browns leaving town, Ernie Davis dying of leukemia without ever getting to play a snap, John Elway leading 'The Drive.' . . . Maybe LeBron delivering the Cavaliers is the sports gods finally saying, 'Enough is enough.' "
Even worse, the city's teams and the city's incredible misfortunes are inseparable.
Cleveland didn't just shrink during the last 50-plus years, it shriveled. It was the nation's fifth-largest city in 1920 and remained in the top 10 through the 1970 census, but after a decades-long exodus it was the 39th-largest city in America in 2005, down from almost 915,000 residents in 1950 to 452,208. Nearly 180,000 people left in the 1970s alone, and the city reportedly lost 150,000 manufacturing jobs. Now, the median household income is 97th among the top 100 cities. The exodus, the 1968 riots and the city defaulting in 1978 led to a heap of ridicule, to the moniker "Mistake by the Lake." In 1972, as local legend has it, Mayor Ralph Perk's wife declined a dinner with President Richard M. Nixon because it interfered with her bowling night.
When the city was going strong, so were its teams. The Browns, filling a vacancy created by the Rams moving from Cleveland to Los Angeles, joined the NFL in 1950 and easily were the team of the decade. They won the title in their inaugural NFL season, and reached seven of the next eight championship games. They had the league's best and most famous player, Jim Brown. Their coach, Paul Brown, essentially invented the modern pro game and begat Bill Walsh, who reinvented it.
The Indians won the World Series in 1948, and six years later won 111 games and made it back to the Fall Classic. Of course, Willie Mays robbed Vic Wertz with his famous over-the-shoulder catch in that '54 Series, in which the New York Giants swept Cleveland. Maybe that was a bit of foreshadowing. The week before the NFL's "Greatest Game Ever Played" in 1958 between the Giants and Colts, the Giants beat the Browns to advance to the championship game. About a year and a half after the Browns won in 1964, Jim Brown retired, and the Indians fell into serious hard times that would last 30 years, until they came back strong in a new stadium in the 1990s. However, they lost to the Atlanta Braves in the '95 World Series and then in 1997 to the expansion Florida Marlins in the 11th inning of Game 7.
The Cavaliers, who arrived through NBA expansion in 1970, nearly had a shining moment in 1976 when they upset the defending conference champion Washington Bullets, but then lost to the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals. The next time the Cavaliers appeared on the cusp of something big was 1989. Magic Johnson took a long look at the roster of young players (Mark Price, Ron Harper, Brad Daugherty, Hot Rod Williams, Craig Ehlo, Larry Nance) and pronounced them the "team of the '90s." That was fine, except Michael Jordan hit that series-winning shot over Ehlo in Game 5 of the 1989 East quarterfinals, which propelled Jordan and the Bulls and seemed to destroy the young Cavaliers. They succumbed to the Bulls in the 1992 conference finals, were felled by a massive wave of injuries after that and never get close . . . until now.
"Seeing the Cavaliers lose like that actually hurt me more than the Browns losing to Elway," Uncle Cecil said. "At least I'd seen the Browns win, and there was a tradition there that suggested they could get back."
Then, of course, the Browns left for Baltimore after the 1995 season and won a Super Bowl after the 2000 season for another city, where they were assembled by a Browns Hall of Famer, Ozzie Newsome.
The disappointments are so massive and so numerous, I asked Dunmore, now a retail licensing executive for the PGA Tour, to rank them. "Number one has to be 'The Drive,' " he said. "Nothing else comes close. We had the game, we were playing at home, we were going to the Super Bowl and John Elway is 98 yards away. Number two has to be 'The Fumble,' " when Earnest Byner was stripped of the ball by the Broncos' Jeremiah Castille near the goal line in Denver in the AFC championship game in 1988.
"I would say number three was the Indians' World Series loss to the Marlins in '97. South Florida has three teams that have won championships [Dolphins, Heat and Marlins], none of which even existed when Cleveland won its last championship. I'd put Jordan-over-Ehlo further down because that was more about Chicago's ascension than anything else."
So, even if the Cavaliers lose to the Spurs, it's unlikely to trump so many other Cleveland losses.
"It's phenomenal to have a kid from Akron, which is a peg below Cleveland, lead a Cleveland team to a championship," Dunmore said. "We've had a lot of terrific players, guys like Leroy Kelly, Ozzie Newsome, Mark Price, Brad Daugherty, Ron Harper. Manny Ramirez was on those Indians teams that reached the World Series. But this is the first time since Jim Brown that people throughout the country are looking at Cleveland and seeing that supernova player. It does incredible things for civic pride. Look at what Michael Jordan did to define Chicago and how that city feels about itself. LeBron James is from us. He's from right down the road. He put us on the map again. We're the center of sports in America, which happens so infrequently. You'll see those aerial views of Cleveland, the shots of the arena and downtown Cleveland, which is coming back. It's been 40 years since Jim Brown retired, 40 years since Cleveland has had 'The Man.' "
Article From Wilbon on Why Cleveland Deserves a Championship..
I'm one of the few folks on the board who like PTI..Hell..everyone hates it..But I never miss it..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NBA_Finals
Notes from another Famous 23's first visit to the Finals..
Browns see Cavs bringing it home
06.07.2007
It's unanimous -- the Browns are not only behind the Cavs, but each Browns player surveyed by ClevelandBrowns.com picks the Cavs to defeat the Spurs in the NBA Finals, which start tonight in San Antonio. Have a look at some of the Browns' players thoughts on the series.
Quarterback Charlie Frye
Prediction: Cavs in 6
Series MVP: LeBron James, of course
Thoughts on the series: "The Cavs are going to have to figure out a way to stop Tim Duncan and get LeBron going. But they have a lot of momentum and I think if they play as a team, they'll be able to get it done."
Fullback Lawrence Vickers
Prediction: Cavs in 7
Series MVP: Daniel Gibson, representing H-Town
Thoughts on the series: "I'm a Rockets fan, so I don't like the Spurs much. But I think the Cavs can do it. It's been exciting here in Cleveland and I'm going with the guys from my new hometown."
Wide Receiver Joe Jurevicius
Prediction: Cavs in 6
Series MVP: LeBron James
Thoughts on the series: "They showed what can happen if you stick together as a team. There were some times where they may have struggled during the season but you've got your star in LeBron and you've got a bunch of other people that accept their roles and are stars in their own right. Having had the opportunity to play in three Super Bowls and win conference championships, it's the neatest thing going. The only thing to do now is put the icing on the cake and win the thing."
Linebacker Kamerion Wimbley
Prediction: Cavs. How many games? "You'll have to ask the experts."
Series MVP: LeBron James
Thoughts on the series: "LeBron is a phenomenal player. He's going to be a Michael Jordan-type guy if he's not already there now."
Running Back Jason Wright
Prediction: Cavs in 6
Series MVP: LeBron James
Thoughts on the series: "I grew up a Lakers fan so I can't stand San Antonio. We're going to win it. It's Cleveland's year, period."
Safety Brodney Pool
Prediction: Cavs in 7
Series MVP: Daniel Gibson
Thoughts on the series: "It makes you want to get there. They turned their thing around. Two years ago they were just rebuilding, so hopefully we can change it around too."
Linebacker Antwan Peek
Prediction: Cavs in 5
Series MVP: LeBron James
Thoughts on the series: "The Cavs have a good thing going. It's been great to see the city go crazy, and I've enjoyed it myself. I made it down to a couple games and got caught in the excitement of playing for a championship"
Punter Dave Zastudil
Prediction: Cavs in 7
Series MVP: LeBron, of course
Thoughts on the series: "I've been a Cavs fan my whole life. I remember how close they came in the Mark Price/Coliseum days. It's incredible that they're here, and I think they'll make the most of it. It's a great thing for the city and we're really excited for everybody."
Tackle Kelly Butler
Prediction: Cavs in 6
Series MVP: Boobie Gibson
Thoughts on the series: "Defense. Mike Brown is a defensive minded coach who's coached with the Spurs and understands what they're going to try to do. As far as scoring, the Cavs have Boobie, Gooden and LeBron, and I think Larry Hughes will bring a little spark. Tim Duncan will get his points and it will be a good series, but I feel like the Cavs will bring it home."
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=6853
Keepin it close in the first half
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Good God...if the Browns are picking the Cavs...that CAN'T be a good thing.
As far as the game tonight...
many props to the Spurs...
superb gameplan tonight...
but many holes...many holes...
It's nice to see 2 classy organizations in the NBA finals. I was pulling for the Cavs all the way to get to the finals. I hope the ratings will be good. Detroit and Spurs match-up would have tanked, again... Good luck..Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Good God...if the Browns are picking the Cavs...that CAN'T be a good thing.
As far as the game tonight...
many props to the Spurs...
superb gameplan tonight...
but many holes...many holes...
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Le Bron needs to up his game unless they want to get swept
The Spurs had a week layoff ... lots of rust ... I don't know that rust constitutes holes.
The Spurs in 5.
I still think the cavs have a shot al..Originally posted by ALinChainz
The Spurs had a week layoff ... lots of rust ... I don't know that rust constitutes holes.
The Spurs in 5.
Oh...and that was the most boring game of Basketball I've EVER watched...The NBA needs to do away with the spurs rather than deal with that snore fest again.
Heres the Thing..After watching the game...I respect Duncan and all...But It wasn't the least bit exciting...The Crowd really didn't care either..They acted like a Woman's team was there..Their PR department needs to step that up quickly...Theres no doubting the Spurs Beat us...But my lord..it was so boring to watch..No high energy plays..just very boring basketball...A very vanilla team, Hell even when the Buls were dominating..The Games were at least entertaining to watch!
The NBA should be hitting it's knees praying to God, The Cavs come back and win the series...because if they do, The Spurs Era in the west will be over...And a New Era in The NBA will finall y begin.
The Spurs Are To Basketball, What Nickleback is to music, Sure they have Number 1 records...And they have millions of sales..But they're bland as hell...Much like the Spurs
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