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I was listening to Magic make some interesting statements last year...
He said something like, "Kobe...it took a couple of years for him to develop...Garnett...and Bynum we're looking at to be there in a couple as well. It take those young guys a couple of years to really develop....except for LeBron...he's special...special..."
doing a little recruiting...early recruiting...
interesting that he lumped Kobe and Garnett into a 2 year program...while saying LeBron's special...lmfao...
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last night...not last year...
Oh, I'm sure Magic would love to see LeBron in an LA uniform. I believe Johnson still owns 5% of the Lakers, so he's definately putting them ahead of his 'analyst' duties.
OH...yeah...he owns five percent...that fucking guy is worth some fucking money though...
750 million...
Yeah, the Lakers ownership was just something that Dr. Buss gave him for being such a trooper all those years. Magic was unbelievable when he played. One of the five greatest players ever...he could do it all. I was soo glad when he unretired for that half-season. I didn't care if he scored 5 pts a game and had 5 assists, it was worth it to see him again. He actually had a pretty good season. 15ppg 8 rpg, 7 apg.
Yeah...to bad he lost all those years though...to damn bad...
wasn't his last game in preseason the year he first retired...against the Cavs?
didn't he get cut?...
You're kidding right? Dude, the guys a total thief and scorer. Look at his stats.Originally posted by Warham
Larry Hughes????
That doesn't make Cleveland a scary team.
Remember Stoudamier is open as a free agent also. The dude wants a ring. He's a very solid PG.
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I don't have a problem with Stoudamire...as long as he knows his role...
They need a point...I just want them to get a good one...or they are stuck with fucking Eric Snow...
Bro...give War a break...he's still frazzled a bit over the loss of Shaq...
Once he gets over that...he'll realize that Hughes is a solid addition...and will make it extremely tough to double LeBron...although...teams right now can still clog the paint...
they need a point that can score...
Okay...about Hughes' four teams in 7 years...
he was part of a HUGE deal in 2000...when he played for the 76ers...Philly was looking for more size and playoff experience...than Hughes gave them as a 2nd year guy...so they dealt him to Golden State in a deal that got them Kukoc from the Bulls...sent Bruce Bowen to the Bulls...and took Hughes and Billy Owens to the Warriors. They didn't need Hughes because he played the same position as Iverson...and as good as Hughes is...he's not Iverson...
He left Golden State as a free agent because they couldn't afford him...and went to Washington...
then left Washington as a free agent...again...to a team that could afford to pay him...
It's not like he was getting dealt like mad because of personality conflicts...he just wasn't playing for teams that could afford him...
so your point is taken...but not for the reasons that you think...
Well, that clears that up. They made it sound like he was a bum on ESPN. Ric Bucher should have cleared that up.
Look...he's not THE GUY...I know that...you know that...everyone knows that...
but he's not a bum by any stretch...so he was full of shit...
I think everyone can agree here that the moves that were made with Hughes were either free agent signings (and you could make a case that if he were THAT good...that he would have been offered money to stay--but then you have to look at the teams...Golden State and Washington), or big deals in which the Sixers were dealing essentially a spare part at the time...a young kid...talented...but playing a point/shooting guard position that the Sixers already had...
He'll be playing a modified point in Cleveland...and I'm assuming that LeBron is going to play 2...
unless Cleveland signs the point guard from Europe...in which case Hughes will be the 2...LeBron the 3...Gooden 4...Z five (if they sign him), and you've got one badass starting 5...and good defensively...
Just gotta keep my fingers crossed that they can sign the point...and Z...I think they will...plenty of money under the cap still...
Hughes is hugely overrated, and until the last yeah and a half was heading towards scrubdom.
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Brett, I know you are a knowledgable hoop fan...
but sometimes you make statements that sound like I'm talking to my wife about basketball...
no offense...
Hughes is what...25 or 26 years old?
He averaged 15 a game in 2000...split time in Philly and Golden State...22 with Golden State that year...
Dropped down to 15 points per game...
then 12 when he was moved to the point for the first time..and battled injuries all year...as really the third option on a team that's focus was Jamison and Richardson...
Again...he was the third option...learning a new position...
His first year in Washington...third option behind Jordan and Stackhouse...averaged 13 a game...can't imagine you are going to get many touches in that lineup...
His first season outside of Jordan...he bumps it up to 19 a game...
Stackhouse was out most of that year...
And of course...last year...22 a game...rebounds improved nearly every year...assists improved every year...minutes improved every year...
He's not overrated...
but he is injury prone...
Ilgauskas stays in Cleveland!
5 years, $55 million...
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Poj, well then your wife is a very wise NBA fan obviously.
The first thing about Hughes is he is a discplinary problem. He was in Philly and he was in Golden St. I am not sure how he was in Washington, but considering they already have two headcases in Kwame Brown and Gilbert Arenas, I'm sure Hughes' melodrama was easily overshadowed.
Yes he averaged 20 points a game in Golden St, he also shot 38% from the field and averaged nearly 22 shots a game to get it. I think you give most NBA players that freedom, they'll get 20 a night too.
I think this season we will see where he goes, whether he can build on last season's success, or whether he goes the way of a role player. I've never been sold on the guy and I don't think he's worth that kind of money. He is injury prone like you said, and now the Cavs can have another liability like Ilgauskas.
Should LeBron go back t2o school?
Y'know, learn how t2o read and stuff.. huh
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Ilgauskis hasn't been hurt in 2 years...also hasn't been as effective consistently in 2 years...
I agree with the comment that it could be a turning season for him in either direction...but to think of him as an impact player would be a mistake...
Cleveland is looking for something to take the sunlight off of LeBron...and if Hughes plays well...they'll have it...
if he doesn't...you are right...they wasted a lot of money...
I would have preferred Redd...and/or Allen...they got option 3...it's better than no option at all...
this move will mean nothing if they dont' get a true point...and a center...
Antoine Walker: In Talks With Cavs
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
Update: Walker's agent Mark Bartelstein says that his client has had conversations with the Cavaliers about joining the team, the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Recommendation: Walker averaged 19.1 points and 9.0 rebounds a game last season with both the Hawks and Celtics. Any Cavs' deal for Walker would likely mean the end of Drew Gooden's career in Cleveland.
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Hmmm....definately a mouth....
I just don't see the Cavs being able to deal Gooden though...although you never know...
gotta get some more information on this one...
I've never been a Walker fan...
Now there's a guy that's been moved that has good stats...
Walker's the kind of guy that will steal shots from LeBron...
Although Walker can hit the 3, I'm not sure if it's as consistent as the Cavs need.
Seems like that's what I've read most lately, their need for outside shooting. Luke Jackson should be able to help after the injury marred rookie year.
They do need an outside shooter...but they don't need a mouth...
I have a lot of faith in Luke Jackson...if he can stay healthy...
Gone for two days...and find out they were going for Haslem from the Heat....would have been a good addition...
Here are the Cavs Notes I've seen:
Haslem next?
I've been scouring the net the past couple of days hoping to find a few legitimate articles on the Cavs' next moves in free agency. Here is a list of a few stories worth checking out:
Despite Drew Gooden having a career-year and came close to duplicating the numbers of departed power forward Carlos Boozer, his erratic play was known to frustrate the team. Looking for a more solid player, Cleveland is reportedly deep in negotiation with Miami Heat big man Udonis Haslem. - HoopsWorld.com
The team is now expected to target the point-guard market. It is believed that they are making a play for one of Ilgauskas' best friends, fellow Lithuanian Sarunas Jasikevicius. Jasikevicius has turned down an offer from the Boston Celtics. He is also being courted by the Indiana Pacers. The Cavaliers also are interested in Antonio Daniels and Earl Watson, both unrestricted free agents. - Akron Beacon Journal
Pargo also is attracting interest, with the Wizards, Cavaliers, Los Angeles Lakers, Toronto Raptors, Minnesota Timberwolves and Charlotte Bobcats believed to be potential suitors. - Chicago Sun-Times
Cleveland isn't worried about Hughes' perimeter shortcomings because it has the inside track on one of the best shooters available: Stein Line favorite Sarunas Jasikevicius. - ESPN.com
They are trying to sign a starting point guard and are reportedly most interested in Maccabi Tel-Aviv's Sarunas Jasikevicius and Los Angeles Clippers' Marko Jaric. The 6-7 Jaric is a restricted free agent, while the 6-4 Jasikevicius is unrestricted. - Lake County News-Herald
Currently, Miami and the Los Angeles Lakers appear to be the front-runners for (Antonio) Daniels' services. So is Cleveland, which despite getting Washington's Larry Hughes to agree to a $65 million contract on Saturday, still has about $17 million (less after Z signing) left under the salary cap. - The Salt Lake Tribune
that paper is so useless, it isn't even good for lining a birdcage.Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Lake County News-Herald
Trail Blazers: Cavaliers courting Stoudamire
by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Saturday, July 16, 2005
News
The Cavaliers search for a starting point guard now includes Trail Blazers free agent Damon Stoudamire, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Aaron Goodwin, Stoudamire's agent, said Friday that he and the Cavs have had conversations about his client.
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Stoudamire averaged 15.8 points and 5.7 rebounds for Portland last season. He was seventh in the league in 3-pointers made (181). However, there's getting to be a lot of cooks in the kitchen in Cleveland, especially with the Cavs agreeing to a deal with Larry Hughes. This could hurt Stoudamire's numbers. That said, Damon's never been scared to toss it up -- or light it up.
I don't really want Staudamire...but he's better than Eric Snow starting...
Report: Raptors forward Marshall headed to Cleveland Cavaliers
July 19, 2005
TORONTO (CP) - Donyell Marshall may be on his way to Cleveland. The six-foot-nine Raptors free agent has agreed to terms with the Cavaliers, according to the New York Post.
NBA free agent negotiations began July 1, but free agents can't sign new contracts until July 22. Marshall's departure would come as little surprise. Raptors GM Rob Babcock has been vocal in his plans to go with a younger roster, and Marshall wasn't thrilled to be playing with the Raptors this past season.
General consensus was that he wanted to head to a winning team, where he would play a bigger role.
Marshall started just two games in the 2004-05 season.
Marshall was at the centre of rumours at last season's trade deadline, the Cavaliers among the teams that reportedly tried to acquire the power forward, but the Raptors decided not to deal Marshall, who earned about $5.3 million US last season.
The 32-year-old averaged 11.5 points and 6.6 rebounds per game this past season with Toronto, and his strong outside shooting has made him a sought-after free agent.
Marshall shot 41.6 per cent from the three-point line last season. His 12 three-pointers - part of a career-high 38-point performance - in Toronto's 128-110 victory over Philadelphia on March 13 tied him with Kobe Bryant for the NBA record for threes in a game.
The New Jersey Nets and the Washington Wizards are among other NBA teams reportedly interested in acquiring Marshall.
The 11-year NBA vetaran joined the Raptors along with Jalen Rose in the 2003 trade that sent Antonio Davis and Jerome Williams to the Chicago Bulls.
With Donyell, Hughes and James to dish to, you'd like that a LOT. If he get's in to a role for assists, he can match anybody in the league and easily drop back to a scoring pg at the drop of a hat. In this lineup I see him averaging 12 assists pg. He'll be right under Nash.Originally posted by POJO_Risin
I don't really want Staudamire...but he's better than Eric Snow starting...
The cav's are doing a lot of things right. I see them shaping up to take the east next year in very solid fashion.
Contending for the East ... I can go with that, providing the new coaching and front office regime is solid also.
But winning the East I would think would be another year away.
Looks like your Blazers are in for some rebuilding though seen, good luck with that honestly.
Thaks dude. Work in progress. Nate Mcmillan will be a great asset and a total steal from Seattle.
Telfair is going to be one of the top 5 PG's in the league.
Watch Joel Przybilla at Center with more minutes this year. He'll be the leagues leading shot blocker.
Randolph is a consistant 20 and 10 player and with Reef going to Jersey today, it both opens up Randolphs minutes as a true PF and we can quit splitting 15 mpg for Miles, Patterson, Outlaw and Khryapa. I think two of the latter 4 (and a couple G's) need to be traded for a quality SG and we're set. Too bad Redd and Allen are both off the market. We'd be in position to jockey for them.
But thanks, it was a rough year and has been like 23 years since we haven't been in the playoffs.
The high school kid they drafted, Webster, I know they were real high on him going in.
It will take some time with the young team, but probably the best route to go for them.
Landing Allen would have been interesting, but moving Rahim was big for them. Didn't hear whether or not they were going to do a sign and trade for him or if he was just going, I know it would mean about another $10 million I think for him.
Sign and trade didn't work out between the offices. He's just going.
I havent seen much on Webster. As young as he is, I'm sure he'll just see minutes at the end of blowouts for next year but yes, building is the name of the game right now.
Well, the Donyell Marshall deal is done...
I think they are going to try and move Gooden...or bring Marshall off the bench...like Horry...
They signed him to a four year deal...
Cavaliers add Marshall
1:17 p.m.
By Branson Wright
Plain Dealer Reporter
The Cavaliers continued to bolster their roster by reaching an agreement with free agent power forward Donyell Marshall on Tuesday.
Marshall, according to sources, will sign a four-year deal worth between $20 and $25 million. Marshall, who played in Toronto last season, averages 12.4 points and 7.3 rebounds over his 11-year career.
Marshall, guard Larry Hughes and center Zydrunas Ilgauskas are expected to officially sign free agent contracts with the Cavaliers on Friday, the earliest date free agents can sign with teams.
It's not that I'm not a fan of Staudamire I guess...he's certainly better than any point we've had here since probably Terrell Brandon...when Brandon was good...
It's funny...Donyell Marshall was on my first fantasy basketball team...his first year...12 years ago...
I don't like Bill Livingston...but here's an article about their PG situation...
No long shots amid Cavaliers' additions
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
Bill Livingston
Plain Dealer Columnist
In "Hoosiers," everybody's fa vorite basketball movie, coach Norman Dale, played by Gene Hackman, calms the nerves of his jittery team of farm boys by measuring the dimensions of the court at cavernous Butler Fieldhouse for the state final. The basket is still 10 feet high. A free throw is still 15 feet.
It's a fine lesson, as far as it goes. Unfortunately, in the Cavaliers' interest in Sarunas Jasikevicius, a Lithuanian sharpshooter, the international 3-point line doesn't go far enough and the trapezoid-shaped foul lane goes too far.
Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry likes the 6-4 guard with the satiny stroke, especially since his predecessor, Jim Paxson, did not recognize a shooter when he had one (Jason Kapono) or when he tried to acquire two (the dreadful Jiri Welsch and J.R. Bremer.)
Things are different, however, in the NBA. The 3-pointer is 3 feet, 3 inches longer than the almost mid-range 20½ feet of international basketball.
This makes a big difference in defending the pick-and-roll play. In international ball, you almost have to take away the outside shot first.
Jasikevicius, a solid, but not spectacular player at Maryland in the 1990s, beat the USA in the qualifying round of the 2004 Olympics, making many of his seven 3-pointers on the same side pick-and-roll with center Eurelijus Zukauskas. Coach Larry Brown's no-help, no-switch defense made a star of Jasikevicius, who airballed the game-ending 3-pointer that would have beaten the USA in Sydney in 2000.
"The shape of the lane is a factor," USA assistant coach Gregg Popovich said at the Athens Games. "It's so wide that it makes the sides of the court too narrow to run some of the two-man stuff we use in the NBA."
Added Brown: "So much of the NBA game is isolation - one-on-one and two-on-two. So unless you have great quickness and athletic ability, it's a struggle."
The Cavs are still looking for a shooter because, while Larry Hughes adds defense and a third option after LeBron James and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, he is no threat from the outside. But Hughes should give James more room for the 3-point shot that can distort defenses. The Cavs could not sign the class of the free-agent market, Ray Allen and Michael Redd. Both got more money from their original teams.
Redd is a scary streak shooter, but James last season made more 3s than Redd (108-104) while shooting 35.1 percent to Redd's 35.5 percent. The deficiencies of James' outside shooting have been, as Mark Twain said of reports of his death, greatly exaggerated.
Luke Jackson, who lost his rookie year to a back injury, might be a reliable weapon, too.
In Jasikevicius' favor, it's easier to hide a weak defender in the NBA now than when zone defenses were, theoretically, illegal. Jasikevicius can play point guard, but it's his own use of the ammo, not passing it, that makes him most attractive. It's a heretical notion in the dunk-and-3-centric basketball universe of the NBA, but Jasikevicius could be effective as a mid-range shooter. Detroit's Rip Hamilton has done pretty well.
Ferry cannot fix everything in one off-season. He landed a quality player in Hughes and didn't overpay for one-trick ponies. Jasikevicius is worth a gamble for the right price.
There are many ways to win a basketball game. Shooting is always going to be one of them.
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