CCR Reunion Possible?

[Sarge]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505270_1...a-possibility/

I don't know why John would want to reunite with those guys.
Didn't they sell the catalog without his consent?

Breasts,

[Matt White]

Even if its just for the cash...he deserves it...JOHN has stuck to his guns forever.... .I'd go see 'em in heartbeat

[FORD]

John's last solo album was released by Fantasy Records (the same label that all of Creedence's albums were on) so he's clearly made peace with the label (probably not owned by the same guy who ripped him off anymore).

The album was also very much vintage CCR sounding, so I took that as a sign that he was at least making peace with his past, personally. Actually reconciling with Stu Cook and Doug Clifford as persons would be the biggest roadblock, because they personally stabbed him in the back by siding with Saul Zaentz and Fantasy Records. Tom Fogerty did as well, and sadly he died before he could reconcile with his own brother.

John Fogerty IS Creedence. He wrote most of the songs, and played lead guitar & sang lead vocals on all of them. He had every right to be pissed off about his catalog being stolen from him, not to mention that half-assed ripoff band that Stu & Cosmo have been peddling for the last decade or so, with scab guitarists/singers.

But if he's ready to make peace with those guys before somebody else dies, I'd love to say I actually got to see them play live.

[Von Halen]

I'd love to see this happen.

I'd definitely go see them.

[Igosplut]

They actually sued him in later years for playing CCR material in concert. Said he had to pay them for it. When to court, and John won the right to play the music without paying them....

[TFM_Dale]

Sign me up, John solo is awesome, would love to see the reunion.

[Zing!]

They actually sued him in later years for playing CCR material in concert. Said he had to pay them for it. When to court, and John won the right to play the music without paying them....

I'd love to hear that argument in court.

"This is a very complicated case, Your Honor. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous. And, uh, a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Stu's head. Fortunately, I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber. Your Honor."

[cadaverdog]

Actually reconciling with Stu Cook and Doug Clifford as persons would be the biggest roadblock, because they personally stabbed him in the back by siding with Saul Zaentz and Fantasy Records. Tom Fogerty did as well, and sadly he died before he could reconcile with his own brother.

John Fogerty IS Creedence. He wrote most of the songs, and played lead guitar & sang lead vocals on all of them. He had every right to be pissed off about his catalog being stolen from him, not to mention that half-assed ripoff band that Stu & Cosmo have been peddling for the last decade or so, with scab guitarists/singers.

But if he's ready to make peace with those guys before somebody else dies, I'd love to say I actually got to see them play live.

That's one version. I choose to believe a different version. The label chose to sue Fogerty because he was the one who made the business decisions in the band.
As far as Jon Fogerty being Creedeence he joined the band after they formed. He might have had the talent but it was the whole band that recorded the music not just him. But he thought it was all just him. He had a swelled head and brought all that shit on himself.

[ELVIS]

I'd watch it on youtube...

[cadaverdog]

They actually sued him in later years for playing CCR material in concert. Said he had to pay them for it. When to court, and John won the right to play the music without paying them....

I don't think that's exactly correct. He didn't play any Creedence songs for years to avoid paying royalties to the legal owners. Then they sued him because his album sounded like Creedance. I think he won that one. I'm not sure why he started playing Creedance songs again but I'll check it out.

[FORD]

That's one version. I choose to believe a different version. The label chose to sue Fogerty because he was the one who made the business decisions in the band.
As far as Jon Fogerty being Creedeence he joined the band after they formed. He might have had the talent but it was the whole band that recorded the music not just him. But he thought it was all just him. He had a swelled head and brought all that shit on himself.

Believe what you want. I'll let the music do the talking......

Exhibit A - Scab "Creedence"

[FORD]

Exhibit B - John Fogerty and a random backing band assembled just for this gig



Now mixing issues of the sound all aside, just listen to the damn performance and tell me who sounds like the authentic Creedence.

[ELVIS]

That was a long fucking time ago...

[ELVIS]

This sounds like CCR...

[ELVIS]

[FORD]

That was a long fucking time ago...

Obviously, since 2 members of John's backing band that night are now dead (Jerry and Clarence Clemons, who came on later in the set) and one of them is a judge on a lame assed bubblegum TV show. (yeah that's Randy on the bass, dog)

[ELVIS]

[ELVIS]

Some nice vocals and guitar work on this...

[cadaverdog]

Believe what you want. I'll let the music do the talking......

That still doesn't make Fogerty Creedance and the other guys session musicians. Creedance was a band and Fogerty was a member, it wasn't John Fogerty and his band. He thought he was better than them at everything. Including managing the band. We see how that turned out.

[sadaist]

I'd love to say I actually got to see them play live.

Ditto. One of the great bands of history (albeit a short history).

[sadaist]

I like Dave Grohl. And the Foo Fighters are better than Nirvana ever was. There, I said it. Shotgun face probably wouldn't have played any CCR live because it was too political or territorial to the south or some weird bullshit whilst not realizing it's just plain good rock and roll.

[FORD]

I like Dave Grohl. And the Foo Fighters are better than Nirvana ever was. There, I said it. Shotgun face probably wouldn't have played any CCR live because it was too political or territorial to the south or some weird bullshit whilst not realizing it's just plain good rock and roll.

Uh, actually Kurt loved CCR. Which should have been obvious enough from all the flannel shirts and shit. Fogerty was wearing that before anybody.

[Igosplut]

THIS is a cache of a copyright lawyer explaining the situation between John and the label.

[ELVIS]

[Sarge]

That still doesn't make Fogerty Creedance and the other guys session musicians. Creedance was a band and Fogerty was a member, it wasn't John Fogerty and his band. He thought he was better than them at everything. Including managing the band. We see how that turned out.

He was better than them at everything. He wrote the music, lyrics and arrangements and had them play it. Plus, he had platinum records after Creedence. What did they do?

[TFM_Dale]

He was better than them at everything. He wrote the music, lyrics and arrangements and had them play it. Plus, he had platinum records after Creedence. What did they do?

Rode the CCR name for every penny they could squeeze out of it.

[Kristy]

CCR now qualifies for AARP.

[TFM_Dale]

CCR now qualifies for AARP.

Just as you are a card carrying member of GLAAD.

[ELVIS]

CCR now qualifies for AARP.

What band doesn't ??

[FORD]

[FORD]

These guys look pretty baked in this video. And given the lyrics, I'd say John was really high when he wrote it....

[cadaverdog]

He was better than them at everything. He wrote the music, lyrics and arrangements and had them play it. Plus, he had platinum records after Creedence. What did they do?

You miss the point. I'll agree that he was the one with all the songwriting skills but they were a band not one guy and a backing band of hired hands. No one wants to give them credit for anything and I choose to give credit where credit is due. Strange argument for a Roth fan. Van Hagar accomplished more than solo Dave. I guess the sisters had all the talent and Dave was the one riding their coat tails.

[TFM_Dale]

You miss the point. I'll agree that he was the one with all the songwriting skills but they were a band not one guy and a backing band of hired hands. No one wants to give them credit for anything and I choose to give credit where credit is due. Strange argument for a Roth fan. Van Hagar accomplished more than solo Dave. I guess the sisters had all the talent and Dave was the one riding their coat tails.

Who do you remember, Babe Ruth or Bill Werber? They played on the same team but.........................

[FORD]

You miss the point. I'll agree that he was the one with all the songwriting skills but they were a band not one guy and a backing band of hired hands. No one wants to give them credit for anything and I choose to give credit where credit is due. Strange argument for a Roth fan. Van Hagar accomplished more than solo Dave. I guess the sisters had all the talent and Dave was the one riding their coat tails.

Van Hagar didn't really accomplish shit. They sold less records with each release while the Cheddar Assclown was in the band. And that's probably because the 12 year old girls who bought 5150 to hear "Dreams" and "Cheese Comes Walking In" grew up. Just like Shaun Cassidy and Leif Garrett sold less records to the previous decade's 12 year old girls.

But at least Van Hagar had a guitarist who wrote the music. The other guys in Creedence didn't do anything after the band broke up. Stu Cook tried to move to Nashville and start a country band, but it didn't go anywhere. Doug Clifford and Tom Fogerty didn't even do that much.

You want to compare them to VH, try this.... compare them to Alex and Sobolewski. Good musicians, yes. But they never had shit to do with the songwriting, and so apart from Dave & Eddie, they wouldn't have accomplished much.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Damn, CCR is among the biggest bands ever. And sure John Fogerty IS the band.
He wrote every original song they did.
And there were a glorious bunch, all composed in such a short time, '68-'72.

Now I feel like playing "Ramble Tamble" full blast, like when I was a barman at the English students' joint
at University, studying English myself.

Ooooooooooooooh oooooh ooooh..... Down on the road I go!

[Kristy]

Just as you are a card carrying member of GLAAD.

Yeah, it's a fetish I have for their trash bags.

[cadaverdog]

Van Hagar didn't really accomplish shit. They sold less records with each release while the Cheddar Assclown was in the band. And that's probably because the 12 year old girls who bought 5150 to hear "Dreams" and "Cheese Comes Walking In" grew up. Just like Shaun Cassidy and Leif Garrett sold less records to the previous decade's 12 year old girls.

But at least Van Hagar had a guitarist who wrote the music. The other guys in Creedence didn't do anything after the band broke up. Stu Cook tried to move to Nashville and start a country band, but it didn't go anywhere. Doug Clifford and Tom Fogerty didn't even do that much.

You want to compare them to VH, try this.... compare them to Alex and Sobolewski. Good musicians, yes. But they never had shit to do with the songwriting, and so apart from Dave & Eddie, they wouldn't have accomplished much.

Van Hagar still out performed Dave as a solo act. Saying Fogerty outshined the other guys without him and therefore they are irrelevant would be the same as calling Dave irrelevant without the rest of Van Halen. Fogerty wouldn't allow the other members to do anything but play what he wrote. He refused to sing anything he didn't write. He broke up the band, they didn't abandon him. Only his brother Tom quit before they broke up. And who could blame him. His own brother treated him like a hired hand.

[cadaverdog]

Maybe Eddie should have left Van Halen and went solo instead of Dave leaving the band and every one would say he was the pope. He could have done the same thing Fogerty did, hog all the credit for himself. Then come back years later and toss the other guys a few scraps to make up for his selfishness.

[TFM_Dale]

Van Hagar still out performed Dave as a solo act. Saying Fogerty outshined the other guys without him and therefore they are irrelevant would be the same as calling Dave irrelevant without the rest of Van Halen. Fogerty wouldn't allow the other members to do anything but play what he wrote. He refused to sing anything he didn't write. He broke up the band, they didn't abandon him. Only his brother Tom quit before they broke up. And who could blame him. His own brother treated him like a hired hand.

I hear you with the DLR and John Fogerty comparison but comparing Van Halen without Dave to CCR without John? Come on man, Faghar is a total douche but he was a name, Eddie Van fucking Halen is, well, Eddie Van fucking Halen. What the fuck is CCR without John Fogerty? Not even close man, not in my book.

[Bob_R]

Van Hagar still out performed Dave as a solo act.

Ain't that the truth. Nail on the head!