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    Supreme Court upholds warrantless DNA testing

    Supreme Court upholds DNA swabbing of people under arrest


    By Pete Williams and Erin McClam, NBC News

    The Supreme Court on Monday upheld the police practice of taking DNA samples from people who have been arrested but not convicted of a crime, ruling that it amounts to the 21st century version of fingerprinting.

    The ruling was 5-4. Justice Antonin Scalia, a conservative, joined three of the court’s more liberal members — Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — in dissenting.

    The five justices in the majority ruled that DNA sampling, after an arrest “for a serious offense” and when officers “bring the suspect to the station to be detained in custody,” does not violate the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition of unreasonable searches.

    Under those specifications, the court said, “taking and analyzing a cheek swab of the arrestee’s DNA is, like fingerprinting and photographing, a legitimate police booking procedure that is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment.”

    Scalia’s siding with the "liberals" reflects his growing concern over the past five years about privacy, said Tom Goldstein, the publisher of SCOTUSblog, who teaches at Harvard Law School and is a Supreme Court analyst for NBC News.

    “We’ve seen several decisions where he has joined more liberal justices to find greater privacy rights,” he said in an interview. “It’s not a big surprise in recent years, but it is a surprise in the sense of his general conservatism.”

    While a cheek swab does constitute a search under the law, the court noted that it requires “but a light touch” and no surgical intrusion — a critical point, the court said, in determining whether it was reasonable.

    At an oral argument in February, Justice Samuel Alito called the question perhaps the most important criminal procedure case the court had taken up in decades. Twenty-eight states and the federal government take DNA swabs from people under arrest before they can be tried.

    The case arose from the arrest of a 26-year-old Maryland man, Alonzo King, in 2009 on a charge of second-degree assault. The police took a swab of DNA from his cheek, ran it through a database and matched it to an unsolved rape from six years earlier.

    King was convicted of rape and sentenced to life in prison. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for the 2009 assault. The Maryland Court of Appeals later reversed the rape conviction on the grounds that the DNA sample was an unreasonable search.

    “Today’s judgment will, to be sure, have the beneficial effect of solving more crimes,” Scalia wrote in his dissent. “Then again, so would the taking of DNA samples from anyone who flies on an airplane.”

    In an allusion to the technique of taking a swab from the cheek, Scalia wrote: “I doubt that the proud men who wrote the charter of our liberties would have been so eager to open their mouths for royal inspection.”

    The Maryland law restricts DNA swabbing to people arrested for certain violent crimes, but justices, including Chief Justice John Roberts, worried during the oral argument that other laws might not be so restrictive. Roberts wondered why they couldn’t be applied to simple traffic stops.

    Roberts voted with the majority Monday, as did Alito, who tipped his hand at the oral argument by saying that DNA sampling “involves a very minimal intrusion on personal privacy.”

    Justice Anthony Kennedy, considered the court’s swing vote, delivered the opinion of the court. Justices Clarence Thomas, who usually votes with the court’s conservatives, and Stephen Breyer, who generally votes with the liberals, also voted with the majority.

    The court’s majority ruling also said that the government has an interesting in identifying a person under arrest so that a judge can make an informed decision about granting bail. Today, it takes as long as two and a half weeks for DNA tests to come back, but lawyers noted before the court that instant DNA testing is not far off.
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    Hey Fat Tony.....

    Thanks for trying, but this all goes back to that little "one time deal" you made about 12 1/2 years ago to "protect Mr. Bush from irreparable harm", while subjecting the entire country to much worse irreparable harm. If you and your fellow BCE buddies hadn't appointed the Chimp as pResident, a case such as this one would have never been before your kangaroo court, and neither Opie Roberts, nor Sammy the Fish would have been there to vote in favor of it. So while you may have voted for privacy here, you created the situation which allowed it to pass.

    Oh and Breyer..... fuck off, ya turncoat.

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    Yea heard this on the radio today and I actually yelled outloud "When are they going to stop?" This nation has no fucking clue anymore...... And the generation of Facebook fools who surrendered all of our privacy without even a fucking whisper thinks this is just how the world is.



    This is not just tying you to a place you have been and id'ing someone....this is taking a look at the inside of people and their entire cancer potential, propensity to this, race, fucking ad nauseum. This is utter bullshit and violates the very basic human rights of privacy, even beyond the argument of the 5th amendment when it comes to blood samples and breathalyzers.

    This is the sickest thing our Government has done yet and of course just placing it in the hands of local police departments might as well just give everyone mandatory sentences when they are born that each person will have to serve.

    This is just absolutely disgusting. Not one fucking scientist made the case for NOT doing this before the court effectively? The SOTUS must not even conceive of the future of genetic science. They should take a science class when they rule on shit like this. Lol cops will decide what a "serious offense" is.

    I would not be surprised if this was a lay down paid off FIX of a case as the defense must have been paid off/shanked to fail.

    Absolutely Filthy Shite.
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    One important thing about this that I wouldn't trust a jury to understand is this.

    The government has your DNA swab, a child is raped and murdered and DNA is found. They run it into the computer and there is a 99.9999% match that it is you. The police come around to your house and arrest you. You don't happen to have an alibi for the time of the crime you are put up on the stand, the genetics guy comes out says that only one in a million people have that DNA match. The jury convict you.

    Now here comes the huge but.

    If that is the only method they used to find you and there are 300 million people in the US then actually its 300-1 that it was you.

    Ok you can weight that by no alibi and you not being an old lady or a kid but still chances are it wasn't you that did it.
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    Overall, I think DNA evidence is a good thing. It can establish guilt or innocence within reasonable mathematical probability. It's just a question of how and when it's collected, and if/when/how it's stored in a database that are the issues.

    If someone is accused of assault, rape, or murder, then a warrant should be issued, and their DNA should be taken.

    Or if a wrongly convicted felon wants to volunteer his/her DNA to exonerate him/herself to get out of prison, that should absolutely be done, probably also with a warrant, just to make the paper trail easier, even though it's voluntary in that case.

    I wouldn't even be opposed to a database, if it was made up of those who were convicted of violent crimes, based on DNA evidence.

    Where I have a problem is that with the Supreme Court's blessing, this now opens up for DNA to be taken upon any arrest, for any reason. You get busted for smoking a joint anywhere that's not Washington or Colorado (or without a medical card in California) they can take your DNA. Get arrested at an "Occupy" rally or a teabagger protest (however unlikely the latter is), they can take your DNA. So now, your DNA is in the same database with murderers, rapists, and pedophiles.

    Now let's say the local Safeway down the street gets robbed and somebody gets murdered in the beer aisle. In this hypothetical scenario, my DNA might be somewhere in that crime scene, whether or not I committed the crime. If my name pops up in the database because I got zip tied and pepper sprayed for protesting MonSatan (hasn't happened yet, but it's entirely possible in the current police state mentality) should I be considered a suspect in a violent crime?

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    Yubbit: Here is the kicker; They can ALWAYS ask and most times Get your DNA, there is already a process for it.

    Now, when you go through that Drunk Driving Checkpoint and your serious crime is an open container in your car (your friend in the backseat was a dumbass) they get to swab your mouth and NEVER erase it. Just like fingerprints, they can keep it forever. Exonerated, never even charged or of course convicted, just arrested, and boom....you are now in the pet catalog.

    So the local cop doesn't like you dating his daughter.....too bad for you, forever.

    You can rationalize each erosion of the Governments full catalog on you, but if you were a Japanese-American on the west coast in WW 2, you might feel a little bit different about that. I do not understand the argument that "If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear ect", lol ever read even one SHRED of history and figure out that the government makes unfair bad laws? Now let's go get those darkies who used the wrong water fountain.....so fucking simple now.

    I see it as a serious breach of your liberty. In fact, it takes almost all of your privacy away....Forever.
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